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Car Forum / Pontiac / Pontiac Firebird / August 2004

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Engine gives gas when I brake (FBird `91 Aut.)

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Georg Hanuschik - 19 Aug 2004 12:49 GMT
Could anybody help me? Shortly after starting the following happens when I
brake moderately: The engine gives gas while the car decellerates. The tach
falls to 500/min and then it jumps to more than 1000, then it falls to 500
and so on. While standing idle is constant at 700/ at full A/C: 800.

When I interrupt breaking, the car runs 100s of yards in this way (@25mph).
Sometimes the engine stops running while braking(tach falls to less than
500, engine shivers, then it stops).

This mysterious thing has begun after a battery change (for the necessary
reprogramming I did drive 40 min on a highway). Repeating the reprogramming
did not solve the prob. Generator is new.

Who knows the prob? What gives the signal that idle is too low? Please
answer here.

Excuse my English; I am from Europe.
Frank Stempfer - 20 Aug 2004 02:09 GMT
Georg,

I purchased my Firebird ('91 Formula) in 1988 with this problem. It had
been initially, and incorrectly diagnosed as being a fault of the
throttle position sensor (TPS). Upon further diagnosis, the fault was
actually with the injectors themselves. It seems that the injectors were
intermittently sticking; most noticeable during throttle transitions and
at small throttle openings.

You did not say which engine your Firebird has, but if it is a TPI V8
(5.0L or 5.7L) it will have 8 separate injectors (1 for each cylinder).
I am not sure of which fuel injection system is used on the 6 cylinder
models. Either way, a technician with an engine analysis tool should be
able to diagnose if the injectors are the problem quite quickly. The
injectors provided on the TPI engine Firebirds and Camaros are cleanable
at a shop with the injector cleaning equipment, but it is not
recommended to abrasive blast clean them as the plating may (read will)
be removed during the process. After which time, the injectors
themselves will rust internally, making your problem even worse. If
cleaning the injectors does not solve your problem, you will need to
replace them - be warned the stock GM injectors are very expensive. Also
note that most shops charge for about 6 hours labour to disassemble, and
reassemble the TPI plenum and fuel rails.

Franki

> Could anybody help me? Shortly after starting the following happens when I
> brake moderately: The engine gives gas while the car decellerates. The tach
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> Excuse my English; I am from Europe.
Bigjfig - 20 Aug 2004 04:23 GMT
>Subject: Re: Engine gives gas when I brake (FBird `91 Aut.)
>From: Frank Stempfer frankstempfer@hotmail.com
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>> Excuse my English; I am from Europe.

All 1991 F cars use the GM/Rochester Multec multiport (one per cylinder)
design.

There are only four engine choices, a 3.1 vin code T, a 5.0 vin code F TPI
engine, and a 5.0 vin E TBI motor, and a 5.7 vin 8 MFI motor.
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director
'80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig.
'79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig
'84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going....
'91 S10 Blazer 4.3Z
Bruce Chang - 20 Aug 2004 14:20 GMT
> Georg,
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> Franki

How'd you get a 1991 model in 1988?
Frank Stempfer - 20 Aug 2004 19:09 GMT
>>Georg,
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>
> How'd you get a 1991 model in 1988?

I worked hard at it - but it was just after I finished my typing class
:-(

Franki
Charles Bendig - 20 Aug 2004 11:59 GMT
> Could anybody help me? Shortly after starting the following happens when I
> brake moderately: The engine gives gas while the car decellerates. The tach
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>
> Excuse my English; I am from Europe.

   Pull the fuse  for the 'ECM'  for 1 minute.  Which should  clear any
trouble  codes, and programming that the car can 'learn'.  Then drive it,
and  check  for  trouble codes.

   If no codes  show  up, you should get the code for 'ECM'  ok. If you  do
not  get this  code, you have a ECM problem.  Which may be as simple as a
broken wire  or bad contact.

   From this side of the pond it almost sounds as if the cruise  control is
trying to activate  when you are braking, then is leaking vacuum  when you
are accelerating.
Charles
 
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