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Andrew - 24 Mar 2004 16:29 GMT
Not sure if anyone has asked this or not, but I'm new to the list, I was
just wondering if there was a quick way to keep the driving lights off.

Thanks

Andrew
markwb - 24 Mar 2004 23:54 GMT
Andrew, Give a little more detailed info here.  What Make, Year, Trim Level
etc.  I'm guessing, but are you referring to the Daytime Running Lights (
DRL)?

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markwb
2001 Bonneville SLE

> Not sure if anyone has asked this or not, but I'm new to the list, I was
> just wondering if there was a quick way to keep the driving lights off.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew
Harry Face - 25 Mar 2004 03:28 GMT
Holy Nelly, here we go again !

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Andrew - 25 Mar 2004 06:08 GMT
2001 Sunfire and yes it is the Day Time Driving lights

> Holy Nelly, here we go again !
>
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ray - 25 Mar 2004 17:44 GMT
> 2001 Sunfire and yes it is the Day Time Driving lights

www.lightsout.org
look under disable.

I put a switch in my TA - my wife likes the DRL's and I think they're
a good idea on the highway.  BUT... they're useless in rush hour and
on my car the DRLs and Automatic headlights work together and cause a
lot of extra wear on the headlight motors.... (start car in garage,
lights go up - back up out of garage, lights go down.  at work, start
car in parkade, lights go up, pull out of parkade, lights go down.
that's four motor cycles when none were needed.)

Ray
munir - 25 Mar 2004 19:52 GMT
>that's four motor cycles when none were needed.)

Doesn't everyone need 4 motorcycles?

Wir welle bleiwe wat mir sin
(Letzebuergesch)
markwb - 25 Mar 2004 22:33 GMT
I got a moped, bro!
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markwb
2001 Bonneville SLE

> >that's four motor cycles when none were needed.)
>
> Doesn't everyone need 4 motorcycles?
>
> Wir welle bleiwe wat mir sin
> (Letzebuergesch)
Scott Buchanan - 25 Mar 2004 06:59 GMT
Yep. Here we go again. My opinion: Leave the damn lights on. Day Time
Running Lights (DRL) do help prevent accidents. If you don't have DRL use
your head or fog lights. It is not that you can see better but you can be
seen better. I don't understand why people feel that their civil liberties
are being infringed upon by having these lights on their car. Don't forget
that with your rights you also have responsibilities.

> Holy Nelly, here we go again !
>
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>  3800 V6 ( C ), Black/Slate Grey
> _~_~_~_~278, 086 miles_~_~_ ~_~_
Phillip Schmid - 25 Mar 2004 07:53 GMT
> Yep. Here we go again. My opinion: Leave the damn lights on. Day Time
> Running Lights (DRL) do help prevent accidents. If you don't have DRL use
> your head or fog lights. It is not that you can see better but you can be
> seen better. I don't understand why people feel that their civil liberties
> are being infringed upon by having these lights on their car. Don't forget
> that with your rights you also have responsibilities.

First it's the manufacturers having all running lights...then they added GPS
and the ability to listen in on what's being said inside the car
(http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/12/10/213653.shtml). Gotta
wonder what's next. Personally I think that if people want they should be
able to turn off the DRLs. On our Blazer if you're parked and have the
parking brake on when you're waiting for someone or something after driving
the DRLs are still on. They may help with accident avoidance but having
people pay attention to driving when that's what they're supposed to be
doing will help even more. Just today I saw a lady barreling down a street
at 50 mph and she almost switched lanes into someone that was to the left of
her. I'll agree that they can help, BUT if people rely on them then what
good do they do? My gramps would turn the lights on when it got dark driving
along, but with DRLs he thought that they lights were already on so he
wouldn't turn them on. What's better, 4 lights that people in front and
behind you can see, or 2 that only people in front of you can see? I'm also
going to agree with a poster that if GM is going to use DRLs they should
also have the tail lights lit up. If someone is driving at nighttime with
just their front DRLs lit up and you can't see the vehicle...bam.
clare @ snyder.on .ca - 25 Mar 2004 21:53 GMT
>> Yep. Here we go again. My opinion: Leave the damn lights on. Day Time
>> Running Lights (DRL) do help prevent accidents. If you don't have DRL use
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>also have the tail lights lit up. If someone is driving at nighttime with
>just their front DRLs lit up and you can't see the vehicle...bam.

MOST GMs with DRLs also have automatic headlamps. It would be
impossible for me to drive my 1994 TransSport without a full lighting
compliment after dusk, as the headlights come on - and there is NO way
to shut them off short of pulling a wire or fuse somewhere.

As for DRLs and the parking brake - if the car is started with the
park brake on, the DRLs are off. As soon as you put the car in gear
and release the PB, they come on, and stay on until the engine is shut
off.

You are not supposed to sit idling anyway.
Phillip Schmid - 26 Mar 2004 00:08 GMT
> MOST GMs with DRLs also have automatic headlamps. It would be
> impossible for me to drive my 1994 TransSport without a full lighting
> compliment after dusk, as the headlights come on - and there is NO way
> to shut them off short of pulling a wire or fuse somewhere.

Want to rethink that? My uncle has a 2000 Astro with DRL and no auto
headlights. My gramps had a 97 Silverado with DRLs and no auto headlights.
AND on the newer ones you can set the sensitivity or even override the
Twightlight Sentinal (or at least in the 2001 LeSabre I've driven many
times).

> As for DRLs and the parking brake - if the car is started with the
> park brake on, the DRLs are off. As soon as you put the car in gear
> and release the PB, they come on, and stay on until the engine is shut
> off.
>
> You are not supposed to sit idling anyway.

I know that they come on if you start the car with the parking brake
disengaged, I also know that when you disengage the parking brake the
lights'll come right on in our Blazer. It doesn't matter if it's in park or
drive.

I'm not sure if you're from Canada or not, but if you were you'd realize
that in the winter it can get cold. Just this past November about 20 miles
from the MI/WI border it was ~15 F at noon, I sat in the truck for 20
minutes without heat and it started to get cold. Come to Milwaukee during
the summer time sitting in a car on a windless day when it hits one of our
90+ days. THEN I'll listen about what I should and shouldn't do.
Scott Buchanan - 29 Mar 2004 05:37 GMT
It would be best to have the tails on too.

> > Yep. Here we go again. My opinion: Leave the damn lights on. Day Time
> > Running Lights (DRL) do help prevent accidents. If you don't have DRL use
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> also have the tail lights lit up. If someone is driving at nighttime with
> just their front DRLs lit up and you can't see the vehicle...bam.
Bob - 27 Mar 2004 05:17 GMT
I have no problem with DRL's.  I don't mind if my car is smarter than me.  I
can live with that.  Really.

What annoys me, is that every time I have to drive through a security
checkpoint I can't turn my lights off.  The car is smarter than me and knows
that it's dark and I must need lights.  The problem is, the guys on the
machine guns get a little pissy when you wipe out their night vision and I
tend to get searched more.

Seriously.

> Not sure if anyone has asked this or not, but I'm new to the list, I was
> just wondering if there was a quick way to keep the driving lights off.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew
Scott Buchanan - 29 Mar 2004 05:39 GMT
That is a good consideration. Perhaps an over ride switch with a timer on
it.

> I have no problem with DRL's.  I don't mind if my car is smarter than me.  I
> can live with that.  Really.
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> >
> > Andrew
 
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