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Proud Solstice Owner
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Jason - 25 Jan 2006 05:06 GMT I hope no one is too jealous, but I picked up my new Solstice on Monday, Jan 23, 2006! Black, with 2-tone interior. Car had 6 miles on it (you know the owner of the dealership took it for a spin), and I literally drove it off of the showroom floor... one of the sweetest experiences of my life (so far).
For those of you waiting for delivery, if the salesman tells you that they can't let the owner drive it off the floor (that they have to do it for you), beat him with something until he agrees (j/k). That was really unforgettable.
For those curious, here's my synopsis.
THE GOOD
Man, does this car look sweet! It's like a Corvette and a Viper had a baby. Interior fits me like a glove, and since I've always preferred late-50's model cars, the retro-style gauges are right up my alley. The hood opens back-to-front instead of the usual front-to-back, which makes it neat looking.
The rear-wheel drive is very cool, and something I haven't felt in many years. I had forgotten how you could push someone into the seat when you hit the gas with a RWD.
I have a surprising amount of visibility around me, for such small windows. The mirrors are nicely placed, so I really don't have a blind spot. And the trunk is short enough that I can back up to something until I feel like I'm sitting right on top of it (and still be a few feet away).
The car has plenty of power, once I got used to the weight of the car (mentioned more in the "bad" section). In my area, cops are real tough on speeders (I had a $200 ticket for going 6 over once), so we all just do take-off races at stop lights, to see who can get to speed limit first (isn't it funny how we all do that, but don't talk about it?). I raced a Mercedes like that tonight and won pretty easily, so that made me feel good.
Last but not least, my insurance is $300 every 6 months, which includes collision.
THE BAD
This car is definitely NOT made for a tall person. I'm 5' 5, and it's a perfect fit for me. I couldn't imagine anyone taller than 5' 10 driving it, or even riding in it comfortably. I was able to move the seat forward 2 or 3 clicks, then lay the back down until it touched the rear wall, so I'm comfortable, but I can't imagine that it would be comfortable for most.
My old car was an older Mazda MX-3 with a body kit. I had souped it up with a body kit and a few performance extras, so it had a bit of pep. After stepping out of that car into this one, I felt a major difference. The Solstice is obviously a lot heavier, and it shows in the steering, the pressure you have to put on the gas and brakes, and even in the shifting. After the first day of driving, my forearms were pretty numb.
Driving today was a bit easier, and I thought that the car had just loosened up until I hopped back into the MX-3 to move it out of the garage. My God, it felt like I was driving a bicycle! After getting used to the Solstice, I'll have a hard time driving anything else.
I don't necessarily know if that's a good thing. The road that I live on is pretty curvy, and with the MX-3 I could take it at 60 mph and feel pretty good about it. So far, I've kept the Solstice below 50 on those curves, but it feels like I'm flying. I'm sure that's just me needing to get acquainted, but it's still worth mentioning.
I'm also having a hard time adjusting to the take-off. I've been driving a stick-shift exclusively for about 4 years, but after 2 days I'm still jumping-and-jerking when taking off or when going into 2nd gear. 3rd and up are OK, it's just hard to catch the right tach on lower gears. Again, probably just me.
The car is a little lacking on the features. Mine is fully loaded, but I still notice a few things missing: manual top instead of power, manual locks, a turn-knob to move the seat back, absolutely no compartments to speak of (which means, nowhere for my cell phone, sunglasses, or coins), manual seat belts, no factory alarm. It does have keyless entry, which is fine, but with a car this unique, a factory alarm would have been nice.
All in all, I'm tickled to death that I finally have the car, and it was well worth the 2 years that I had to wait. According to their website, the '07 Solstice is supposed to come with turbo, and I have to admit that this would be a good addition to give you that extra kick. But, I can't argue with the security I feel with having the tried-and-true 2.4 in this one.
Jason - 25 Jan 2006 09:25 GMT I forgot 2 pieces of information:
1. My out-the-door price was $27,091. That's a far cry from the $20k "base model" price on the Pontiac website, but hey, it's fully loaded. I really wasn't prepared to spend that much, but what do you work for if you can't buy the things you love?
2. I've not had it long enough to get a good average on gas mileage, but so far I'm getting around 22mpg. I've been driving exclusively in-town, though, and haven't exactly been light on the gas, so that's better than I expected for a heavy car. I figure that once I get used to it, it will probably even out to around 24-25 in town.
Now, if I could just figure out how to check the oil...
Paradox - 27 Jan 2006 03:15 GMT > I forgot 2 pieces of information: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Now, if I could just figure out how to check the oil... Ok I like the solstice, but I still think 27K is a bit much for what your getting. You can get an SS Cobalt for around $21K.
$27K is GTO territory.
Jason - 28 Jan 2006 07:30 GMT You are right, Paradox, but when it comes to price, it's all a matter of opinion. $27k was taxes, tags, title, everything, for a fully loaded package, and the same lot had a GTO for around $32k (I think). But to be fair, I didn't want a GTO, because I just don't need that much power, or that low of gas mileage.
So I'm happy with $27k; I've got exactly what I wanted, and there's a lot to be said for having the first (and likely only) car like this in the county. Plus, heaven-forbid I decide to sell it in a few years, there's a good chance that this car will hold its value as a collectors item.
Joe - 29 Jan 2006 05:05 GMT > So I'm happy with $27k; I've got exactly what I wanted, and there's a > lot to be said for having the first (and likely only) car like this in > the county. Plus, heaven-forbid I decide to sell it in a few years, > there's a good chance that this car will hold its value as a collectors > item. No, actually, it won't. No mass-produced car has ever done that, but people don't seem to remember. Still a great purchase, though.
Tom - 29 Jan 2006 16:53 GMT >>So I'm happy with $27k; I've got exactly what I wanted, and there's a >>lot to be said for having the first (and likely only) car like this in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > No, actually, it won't. No mass-produced car has ever done that, but people > don't seem to remember. Still a great purchase, though. The Solstice GXP might be an exception, depending on how many they make. Buick Grand Nationals and T-types command a lot higher prices than their non-turbo Regal variants, and so do the Syclones, Typhoons and 1989 TransAms. However, IMHO a Solstice with the low-performance powertrain probably won't ever be any more of a collectors-item than say... an early Fiero.
Franky Furter - 26 Jan 2006 02:12 GMT The Jokes on you...you should have waited for the 2007 Model. A 260 HP 4 cyl Exotec hi perf Solstice GXP model is coming out at only $4000 more than the original.
http://www.fast-autos.net/pontiac/pontiacsolsticegxp.html
Jason - 26 Jan 2006 04:05 GMT I actually weighed that option, but with a price of $27k on this one, $31k as an "estimated" price is going a little over my budget. But like I said, the 2.4 in this one is the same engine they've used a million other times, so I feel confident that I'm not going to have a ton of warranty issues to worry about.
I'm also a fairly cynical person, and the fact that this one was supposed to have been delivered 2 years ago doesn't make me too confident that the turbo model will really come out in '07. With all of the GM closures and layoffs, I have no reason to believe that there will be very many '07 models at all.
Besides, there's something to be said for being the very first guy to ever own this car in my county, and probably the surrounding counties, too. I'm willing to pass on the turbo upgrade for the chance to own a potential collectors item.
If GM does stop production and the value of my car goes up to $35k+, then the jokes really on everyone else! ;-)
Joe - 26 Jan 2006 04:43 GMT Congrats! I think you did great. It's not like you'd really need more horsepower.
The car only weighs 2600 pounds, though. I don't know what an MX3 weighs, but 2600 is pretty darn light. Maybe it just feels heavy.
Jason - 28 Jan 2006 07:40 GMT I don't know what the MX-3 weighs, either, but I would be surprised if it's not 50% less than the Solstice. I'm surprised to hear that the Solstice is that light, honestly.
The MX-3 does have a 1.6L engine, as compared to the 2.4, so that may be a reason for the difference. But you're right, it probably just feels heavier. Those massive tires to take up a lot of asphalt, and they're practically glued to the road.
Just as a follow-up, the transmission is shifting easier now. I didn't originally think about a break-in period, but it's definitely not as tight to shift as it was earlier in the week. I'm just happier and happier as the week has gone by!
Christian Smith - 28 Jan 2006 12:13 GMT > I don't know what the MX-3 weighs, either, but I would be surprised if > it's not 50% less than the Solstice. I'm surprised to hear that the > Solstice is that light, honestly. The curb weight for an MX-3 is about 2450 LBS (varies slightly based on model year and exact mode).
The stock Solstice weighs in at 2680 LBS, so less than 10% heavier.
I think what you might be experiencing is not the weight differential so much as the chassis rigidity. The Kappa platform uses an extremely rigid frame structure. Some good details on this are available here:
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/09/16/143190.html
Chris
 Signature Christian Smith
Worthington J. Wilmington - 26 Jan 2006 04:51 GMT > I actually weighed that option, but with a price of $27k on this one, > $31k as an "estimated" price is going a little over my budget. But like [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > If GM does stop production and the value of my car goes up to $35k+, > then the jokes really on everyone else! ;-) Highly unlikely that Pontiac is going to slow down in Bulding the Solstice, they are already backordered. Why would they cut ther own throat and slow down on making a car that people actually want to buy???
tonykujawa - 26 Jan 2006 12:57 GMT > > I actually weighed that option, but with a price of $27k on this one, > > $31k as an "estimated" price is going a little over my budget. But like [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > they are already backordered. Why would they cut ther own throat and slow > down on making a car that people actually want to buy??? Because it's GM.
Harry Face - 27 Jan 2006 03:00 GMT None of the cars I bought were on the showroom floor. They were out on the lot somewhere. Or when I picked it up it was in the prep area of the service department, but never on the showroom floor.
Harryface 05 Park Avenue, 34,098 91 Bonneville LE 305,454
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