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The 17th problem!
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Travis King - 11 Mar 2006 06:13 GMT 1988 Pontiac 6000 2.5L. 124,313 miles.
You're probably getting tired of me whining about my car, but I can't help myself. (Or the car can't help itself.) Heck, you probably get some laughs out of these posts... So anyway, here we go again...
My car has its 17th problem now. (Yes, that would be 17 things that are wrong with the car right now.) This probably won't be enough to give you the information you'll need, but it's worth a shot. It's yet another leak. (I've probably had ten leaks alone with that car.) This fluid kind of has a brownish-transparent color. It's slick. I would say oil except my oil is pretty black right now since it needs changed. It left a nice size stream (Probably at least a foot long stream about an inch and a half wide) of this fluid in the driveway today when I moved it before we went to the store. It didn't seem to me that this fluid had a smell, but then again, maybe that's because I only got a small sampling on my finger. I looked under the car and saw where the fluid was leaking down at, but I don't know for sure where it's coming from. That means I have three fluid leaks right now. The antifreeze, the transmission, and this leak. Maybe it is oil, but it at least is pretty dark on the dipstick and if it is the oil, this will have been the third time it's leaked since I've had the car. (Not quite two years - although it's been in the family for almost ten.) It blew the valve cover gasket twice almost in a row, so we used silicone. After the silicone, why would it start leaking again if it is indeed the oil? I've been getting around fine without oil leaks using the silicone for over a year and a half now. My oil level was past the full mark, but the engine was warm, so I didn't get an accurate measure. I'll check it soon when it's cold. All I can tell you for sure is the leak was sitting under the passenger half of the car in the front.
The antifreeze in the reservoir was about a half an inch above the 'Add' line, but it was not warmed up all the way - the engine was warm, but not at it's normal temperature when it's warmed all the way up.
Before you tell me to get rid of my car (which I know I should), I would like to within a year - if it will make it that long...
Oh well, the car was free when I got it and it's purpose was just to get me by until I could get something better. (At least that was my mom's idea. My dad still says "oh, it's not that bad - we haven't given it a tune up in a while" "it wouldn't cost that much to fix it". This is coming from somebody who hates 4 cylinder engines and always complained about the 2.5 and said that he would never let anyone ever buy a four-cylinder engine again. I don't think he's actually ever considered everything that's wrong with it. There are 4-cylinder engines out there that are pretty reliable, but the 2.5 is not one of them at least with the Celebrity we used to have and this car. After dealing with the lackluster power of this engine, I'd probably get a V6 engine in my next vehicle, although if I feel comfortable with getting a 4-cylinder engine (since most of them do have more power than the 2.5), I'll be getting one. I don't need lots of power even as a teen, but I do want something that has enough power to go up an incline at 65mph without really pushing hard on the gas pedal. On this car, if you spend $900 on it, you're already spending about the amount of its value - considering its condition.) Dad hasn't complained that much about my car after he bought his gas-guzzling Blazer (which he's spent $5000 on it in repairs in the past year and a half) and the gas prices have doubled.
I will now stop rambling.
Thanks.
clare at snyder.on.ca - 11 Mar 2006 20:02 GMT >1988 Pontiac 6000 2.5L. 124,313 miles. > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > >Thanks. Sure sounds like power steering fluid--------
Tom S - 11 Mar 2006 21:31 GMT >>1988 Pontiac 6000 2.5L. 124,313 miles. <snip>
>> It's yet another leak. >>(I've probably had ten leaks alone with that car.) This fluid kind of has a >>brownish-transparent color. It's slick. I would say oil except my oil is >>pretty black right now since it needs changed. The color of your oil will not tell you anything. It'll be black 100 miles after a change. Go by the mileage - and type of driving - to determine when to change the oil.
>> It left a nice size stream >>(Probably at least a foot long stream about an inch and a half wide) of this >>fluid in the driveway today when I moved it before we went to the store. It >>didn't seem to me that this fluid had a smell, but then again, maybe that's >>because I only got a small sampling on my finger. <snip>
>Sure sounds like power steering fluid-------- Or Transmission fluid, if it has an automatic trans.
Tom
Steve K - 11 Mar 2006 20:07 GMT It sounds like brake fluid (light brown, clearish). Have you checked the brake fluid reservoir?
Travis King - 11 Mar 2006 22:23 GMT > It sounds like brake fluid (light brown, clearish). Have you checked > the brake fluid reservoir? It was a light brown. I did not check the brake fluid reservoir, although I did probably a month ago. It's time to revisit it. The oil has about 2800 miles on it. The oil is a year old, but the car doesn't get driven much. Like I said, it's more than due for a change, however. The brake fluid reservoir is located on the driver's side of the car under the hood. The power steering fluid reservoir is located on the passenger side under the hood, near the engine less than a foot away from the firewall. The car's steering has never been good - it turns wide. It's even stalled a time or two when you turn really tight. My mom's Celebrity that she used to have did the same thing - only lots more frequently. You just barely get enough room to do a U-turn with the car.
clare at snyder.on.ca - 12 Mar 2006 04:25 GMT >> It sounds like brake fluid (light brown, clearish). Have you checked >> the brake fluid reservoir? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >did the same thing - only lots more frequently. You just barely get enough >room to do a U-turn with the car. GENERALLY, the ATF will be pink, and brake fluid is NOT oily, and it IS a GM car, so power steering leaks are common as flees on a rat. The crimped joints between the rubber and steel lines leak - very common. The racks leak - also very common. The pumps leak too.
Anyone who's owned a GM over 4 years old has likely had a power steering fluid leek.
Tom S - 12 Mar 2006 04:42 GMT >> It sounds like brake fluid (light brown, clearish). Have you checked >> the brake fluid reservoir? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >did the same thing - only lots more frequently. You just barely get enough >room to do a U-turn with the car. A Pontiac characteristic. My father had 4 or5 in the '60's and '70's and I am on my third one and they have all had a big turning radius. I think it is an artifact of the "wide track". Never had the stalling problem on a really tight turn, but all of ours have been V-8's - 350 or bigger.
Tom S
Travis King - 12 Mar 2006 06:21 GMT >>> It sounds like brake fluid (light brown, clearish). Have you checked >>> the brake fluid reservoir? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Tom S We've had lots of GMs in the family and haven't had any problems with the power steering in any of them in the past... I take that back. Mom's Celebrity needed power steering fluid about once every month or two as it would start to whine really bad and be hard to turn. My car has always whined a little when you steer really tight no matter how much power steering fluid there is. It also makes a very very slight squeel sound - almost sounds like a belt squeeling or something.
REP - 13 Mar 2006 14:32 GMT > 1988 Pontiac 6000 2.5L. 124,313 miles. [mystery fluid]
> I will now stop rambling. If it's the brake fluid, you're in luck because that's easy to find/fill. If it's power steering fluid, get ready to scrape your knuckles, because it's in the front of the engine compartment, behind the radiator (as you're looking head-on at the engine) on your left (as I recall) down low, with little hand room. It is possible and even likely you lost your power steering fluid cap - they come off pretty easily on rough roads, or at least they did in my '86 6000LE.
Transmission lines can also become undone; a symptom is horrible, horrible noises while driving followed by being sure the car is going to self-destruct. Cheap repair though; ran $60.00 including fluid.
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Travis King - 13 Mar 2006 23:35 GMT Are you referring to the power steering fluid reservoir cap? If so, I haven't had any problems with mine. It doesn't go anywhere.
>> 1988 Pontiac 6000 2.5L. 124,313 miles. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > horrible noises while driving followed by being sure the car is going to > self-destruct. Cheap repair though; ran $60.00 including fluid. REP - 14 Mar 2006 08:48 GMT > Are you referring to the power steering fluid reservoir cap? If so, I > haven't had any problems with mine. It doesn't go anywhere. Lucky you! By the 8th year I had it, I just kept spares with me.
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Travis King - 14 Mar 2006 22:16 GMT >> Are you referring to the power steering fluid reservoir cap? If so, I >> haven't had any problems with mine. It doesn't go anywhere. > > Lucky you! By the 8th year I had it, I just kept spares with me. In quick summary, the only thing that's good on this car is its body. It's otherwise pretty bad all in all.
REP - 17 Mar 2006 10:16 GMT > >> Are you referring to the power steering fluid reservoir cap? If so, I > >> haven't had any problems with mine. It doesn't go anywhere. > > > > Lucky you! By the 8th year I had it, I just kept spares with me.
> In quick summary, the only thing that's good on this car is its body. It's > otherwise pretty bad all in all. Mine was stolen from me the second year I had it; it was recovered a month later with a lot of body damage. A LOT of body damage, but it still ran great. Then I towed it over 2,000 miles on a tow dolly through every mountain range in the US when I moved to California. By the end of its life, I couldn't open the driver's door from the inside and the driver's window had stopped working plus it still had the body damage from being stolen, but in short: looked like crap, ran like a dream, had a few minor quirks.
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