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Car Forum / Pontiac / Pontiac Cars / January 2007

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Transmission Startup Delay, 1992 Grand Prix

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larrytxeast@gmail.com - 17 Jan 2007 01:37 GMT
I have a 1992 Pontiac Grand Prix, 2 door, 3.1 litre engine, overdrive.
We bought it used with 150k miles for $1000 from a dealer. One problem
that started when we got it and has been much worse during the cold
months is a tendency for the car to need to heat up for a long time
before it will drive away. It will START fine, but the transmission
won't "engage." You put it in reverse or drive, regardless, it refuses
to budge (besides rolling).

For some reason, revving the engine speeds up the process. It will rev
up to 4k on the tachometer, then it won't rev further, as if there's a
lock or something (it redlines around 6k if I recall). But regardless,
at times in fact, it will stubbornly refuse to "engage" in gear at all
unless you rev it, unless you've let it run for 5-10 minutes; in one
extreme case, it took 30 (yes, thirty) minutes for it to engage.

There is no slippage or other typical transmission problems, just the
delay in engaging at startup. Once it engages, it takes off fine and
strong, and downshifts and upshits with no delays or slippage or any
such thing.

The fluid (not the filter) has been changed, no difference. For some
reason, when my wife changed the tranmissions fluid, she didn't tell
them to change the filter and they didn't. (Argh!)

Has anyone of this problem before? Is a known issue with Grand Prixs or
something? One person said that the transmission fluid is cold in the
morning and needs time to warm up, but I've never seen a car has this
behavior in any type of weather. Is it indicative of a looming major
transmission problem? Tips in general?
80 Knight - 17 Jan 2007 02:03 GMT
>I have a 1992 Pontiac Grand Prix, 2 door, 3.1 litre engine, overdrive.
> We bought it used with 150k miles for $1000 from a dealer. One problem
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> behavior in any type of weather. Is it indicative of a looming major
> transmission problem? Tips in general?

This may sound stupid, but did you check the transmission fluid? I know you
said it was just changed, but it wouldn't hurt to check just to be sure.
Also, how long has it been since the fluid was changed? If it wasn't doing
this before the fluid change, perhaps you can take the car back to the shop
who changed the fluid and get them to look at it.
I have owned 2 Grand Prix's of that era (one a 1992 the other a 1991) and
both were great cars, but I never changed the transmission fluid. Not once,
and the last car went well over 300,000km's (the first one was wrote off
with a little over 220,000) with no transmission problems.
boobooboo - 28 Jan 2007 16:31 GMT
CHECK THE FLUID AGAIN WHEN THE ENGINE IS FULLY WARMED UP TO OPERATING TEMP.
WHILE IT'S RUNNING IN PARK . THERE IS AN INTERNAL THERMOSTAT THAT ONLY
OPENS AT OPERATING TEMP. WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS THE SHOP DOING THE SERVICE
CHECKS THE FLUID AFTER THEY HAVE FILLED THE TRANS. AND IT WILL READ FULL.
IF THEY DROVE IT AROUND THE BLOCK AND CHECKED IT AGAIN IT WOULD BE DOWN
TWO QTS. ONCE THE THERMO OPENED UP. THE FILTER IS NOT THE PROBLEM, IF IT
WAS CLOGGED AT ALL IT WOULD BE EVEN WORSE WHEN WARMED UP AND CREATE A HI
PITCHED PUMP WHINE. NOW HERES THE BAD NEWS. IF THE FLUID IS OK THEN YOU
HAVE AN INTERNAL PROBLEM. I HAVE SEEN THE RUBBER LIP SEAL INSIDE THE INPUT
DRUM SLIGHTLY RIP JUST ENOUGH TO DO THIS EXACT THING MANY TIMES. GOOD LUCK
-GEORGE
 
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