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Why Not more Bonnevilles?

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javawizard - 11 Mar 2007 18:42 GMT
I have a Pontiac Bonneville that's holding up just fine, being 12
years old. My question, is why are they so rare?  Here in California,
at least, I see very few of them.
- Jef
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Tyrone Pookie Berkowitz Jr - 11 Mar 2007 21:08 GMT
>I have a Pontiac Bonneville that's holding up just fine, being 12
> years old. My question, is why are they so rare?  Here in California,
> at least, I see very few of them.
> - Jef
> www.odd-info.com

Just another classic GM bungle. Just like they got rid of pontiacs best
seller the Grand Am, and now getting rid of the Grand prix to be replaced by
an Australian made car the G8. They have a death wish.
brxsep - 11 Mar 2007 22:08 GMT
On Mar 11, 3:08 pm, "Tyrone Pookie Berkowitz Jr" <Bts...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > years old. My question, is why are they so rare?  Here in California,
> > at least, I see very few of them.
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> seller the Grand Am, and now getting rid of the Grand prix to be replaced by
> an Australian made car the G8. They have a death wish.

GM walked away from the Pontiac line for several years.  The Bonnie
lost its way in the last generation and the generation that made
Pontiac great is getting older.  California is a style market, just
looks whats on the freeways today.   I'm in central PA and there are
lots of them.  In fact you see examples of mid 90's with 150+ miles
still selling for over $ 4,000.

The link between the days of high-speed at Bonneville and todays
market is gone.  Same with the Grand Am and Grand Prix with go back to
the great days of racing.  Look at the Indy 500, its not a money maker
like NASCAR.

My two cents.  I have my 95 red Trans Am with the up-life spoiler
ready to hit the road.  Folks don't know what to make of it and thinks
its brand new the style is still cutting edge.  Just hope Pontiac
hurry's up the next generation Firebird soon.

My two cents.
Joe - 12 Mar 2007 06:16 GMT
Other than the ones mentioned, two reasons you don't see many is that they
were pretty expensive, for a V-6 front drive American car (maybe the most
expensive) and the styling was a little bit strange.

>I have a Pontiac Bonneville that's holding up just fine, being 12
> years old. My question, is why are they so rare?  Here in California,
> at least, I see very few of them.
> - Jef
> www.odd-info.com
80 Knight - 12 Mar 2007 06:45 GMT
Expensive maybe, but I always thought the Bonnie's looked awesome. I used to
own a '90 and '91 (both SSE's), and am now on my second '96 (the first a
loaded SE, the current one a fully loaded SSEi). IMHO, the base SE models,
when not having a spoiler look pretty dull, but the rest are awesome. IMHO,
they got even better in 1996 when the tail lights and front grills were
updated. Plus, the V6 in the SSEi is more powerful then some V8's, including
the one in the Crown Vic's.

> Other than the ones mentioned, two reasons you don't see many is that they
> were pretty expensive, for a V-6 front drive American car (maybe the most
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>> - Jef
>> www.odd-info.com
Infin1ty - 13 Mar 2007 20:30 GMT
Their not rare around here. The dealership up the corner from my house
has 3 of them for sale, and 3 of my friends own one

> I have a Pontiac Bonneville that's holding up just fine, being
> 12
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> - Jef
> www.odd-info.com

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Harry Face - 13 Mar 2007 23:28 GMT
The Bonneville seems rare because of the low production. I have a 1991
and only around 42,000 were built. in 91 folks were holding off to see
what the redisgned 1992 model looked like. Bonneville sales jumped
140,000 in 92. After I saw the 1992 model I was glad I bought the 1991.

When you see those figures its no wonder you don't see many. Here is the
Chicago area I see more 87-89 styles than the 90-91 style.

Some of the Park Avenue production totals I  have seen for 1997 to 2002
indicate Buick only made between 56,000 to 83,000.

Harryface
05 Park Avenue 54,102
91 Bonneville 309,010
Geoff Welsh - 14 Mar 2007 09:49 GMT
> When you see those figures its no wonder you don't see many. Here is the
> Chicago area I see more 87-89 styles than the 90-91 style.
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>
> Harryface

WHa?!?!
Cars from the 80's in Chi-town aren't all rotted out from salting the snow?
Everything 80's is a pile of crap here.
GW
Harry Face - 14 Mar 2007 17:12 GMT
GW,

You got that salt air floating around year round in Hawaii to rust your
cars.

I was in Ouaha & Maui in 1985 and saw cars that had rust in places you
never seen rust on cars in Chicago, NY, Philly.  And were in the rust
belt!  Hawaii cars had lot of rain gutter rust, The painted window
frames around the side windows had rust top edge and the edges of the
widow fraes where the weatherstrip contacted the paint, tops of fenders,
roofs and hoods  were covered in fine coating of rusty.  Touching some
of the cars felt like rubbing you hand over 150 gritt sandpaper, it was
uncanny.

Here in Chicago, The 87-91 Bonnevilles I see around here have held up
pretty good. There are some that have faded paint jobs, surface rust and
a few that are rusty out pretty bad. The 87-91 SSE's seem to rust out
more than the LE / SE due to the extra body cladding along the bottom of
the car. On the doors that plastic cladding comes up about 14 inches
from the bottom.  There are at least 9 molding clips on each door to
hold them on, plus screws from the inside.

There is an arab woman in the adjoining suburb to me that is driving a
gold 88 /89 SSE that has a hole so big through the rear door above the
body molding that you could put your foot into. Again, It rusted out
around the molding clip studs. All down the tops of her moldings are  3,
4 and 5 inch diameter circles of rust. Some broke through, but that one
on the rear door is really something.

The 92-96 generation Buick LeSabre and Park Avenues I see here seem to
have a problem with the rocker panels rotting away. This occurs at the
front as well as the back and even the middle. These are models that
have exposed rockers with no attached moldingson them.

Now the 92-96 Olds 88 / 98's didn't seem to have that problem with their
rocker panels rotting away, nor did that generation of  Bonnevilles.

My 91 has three little areas that have rusted through unfortunately. The
1/4 panel behind the LR Door where the damn molding clipped on and two
spots on both 1/4 panels where they meet the bumper fascia right at the
wheel opening.
Same spots  see on other Bonneviles like mine rust there too.

Fenders & doors are solid yet. The hood is rusting from the inside out
along the pinch seams over both headlights. The hood roof & trunk has
haze cracks in the paint. I knew I shouldn't of gotten black car.

harryface
05 Park Avenue 54,202
91 Bonneville 309,044
Geoff Welsh - 15 Mar 2007 09:22 GMT
> GW,
>
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> 05 Park Avenue 54,202
> 91 Bonneville 309,044

What you saw in 1985 is totally irrelevant in todays modern world.  Cars
don't rust much, here, I never said they did.  I said everything from
the 80's here is a pile of crap.  Falling apart.  Blown head gaskets,
broken  everything elses, etc.  I figured if cars that AREN'T rusting
were piles of crap, then cars in Chicago would be much much worse.
GW
ps you meant Oahu.
 
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