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Car Forum / Porsche / Porshe 911 / March 2004

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Clutch / gearbox problems

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John Openshaw - 24 Mar 2004 13:27 GMT
Hmm, just put the car in reverse and when I pressed the clutch pedal all
the way to the floor I could hear gears meshing in a not too promising
way. If the pedal is back an inch it seems OK. The gears all engage OK
and there seems no other symptom. This is a 1989 911, it had a new
clutch 15k miles ago and the car is generally driven conservatively.

Any ideas?

John Openshaw
Mark - 24 Mar 2004 14:04 GMT
John -

your '89 has a hydraulically actuated clutch. If it seems to work OK when
you depress the pedal partly, but not when you depress it fully, I would
take a look at the hydraulics - either the master or the slave cylinder. I'd
start with bleeding it, but I'd suspect one of the components to have
failed.

regards,

Mark Hald
'77 Carrera 3.0
http://members.rennlist.com/hald

> Hmm, just put the car in reverse and when I pressed the clutch pedal all
> the way to the floor I could hear gears meshing in a not too promising
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> John Openshaw
John Openshaw - 24 Mar 2004 15:15 GMT
>your '89 has a hydraulically actuated clutch. If it seems to work OK when
>you depress the pedal partly, but not when you depress it fully, I would
>take a look at the hydraulics - either the master or the slave cylinder. I'd
>start with bleeding it, but I'd suspect one of the components to have
>failed.

Thanks for the info - any idea why I get the grinding gears sound???

>> Hmm, just put the car in reverse and when I pressed the clutch pedal all
>> the way to the floor I could hear gears meshing in a not too promising
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>> John Openshaw

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Mark - 25 Mar 2004 01:40 GMT
John -

well... if the hydraulics are not fully disengaging the clutch when you
press the pedal, then the gears would still be spinning and they will grind
when you try to shift into or between gears.

mark

> >your '89 has a hydraulically actuated clutch. If it seems to work OK when
> >you depress the pedal partly, but not when you depress it fully, I would
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> >> John Openshaw
John Openshaw - 25 Mar 2004 09:17 GMT
>John -
>
>well... if the hydraulics are not fully disengaging the clutch when you
>press the pedal, then the gears would still be spinning and they will grind
>when you try to shift into or between gears.

Ah, no - I should've explained it better - its not grinding when
shifting gears, its grinding when in gear. If its already in reverse (or
first) and you press the clutch all the way down it grinds, a bit back
and its OK. I'm concerned something is loose, though it could be badly
adjusted and catching on something.

I bet its the expensive version though...

Cheers

John

>> >your '89 has a hydraulically actuated clutch. If it seems to work OK when
>> >you depress the pedal partly, but not when you depress it fully, I would
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>> >> Any ideas?

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Mark - 25 Mar 2004 15:10 GMT
AH!

Sorry, I misunderstood the original symptoms, John.

What you describe sounds like the clutch release [aka 'throwout'] bearing.
Gears fully engaged already, you hear a grinding noise when you fully
depress the clutch pedal, and the grinding goes away as you release the
clutch. Is it safe to say that it also makes the noise if the transmission
is in neutral and you press the clutch pedal fully?

The throwout bearing is what presses against the clutch - it has a bearing
inside of it so it can spin with the clutch as pressure is applied through
the hydraulics to the clutch release lever. The bearing is probably going or
gone, which will require removal of the transmission to gain access. The
part itself shouldn't be too expensive, but the cost of removal /
replacement of the engine & transmission could be fairly high, depending
upon who does it.

While you have it removed, there are some updates to the bearing and the
release lever components which, if not already done, should be.

I hope this helps.

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Mark Hald
'77 Carrera 3.0
http://members.rennlist.com/hald

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John Openshaw - 25 Mar 2004 17:41 GMT
>AH!
>
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>clutch. Is it safe to say that it also makes the noise if the transmission
>is in neutral and you press the clutch pedal fully?

You're spot-on with the diagnosis - bad news but I'd rather know what it
is.

>The throwout bearing is what presses against the clutch - it has a bearing
>inside of it so it can spin with the clutch as pressure is applied through
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>I hope this helps.

Yeah, it does a lot - the clutch was only replaced 15k miles ago (not by
me) so I think I'll have a go at this myself. I need to sort out an oil-
leak and sticking heater valves while I'm at it...

John Openshaw
Mark - 26 Mar 2004 01:33 GMT
Where are you located, John? I'm in Massachusetts.

Where is the oil leak, or can't you tell?

   mark

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John Openshaw - 26 Mar 2004 21:51 GMT
>Where are you located, John? I'm in Massachusetts.

Over in South England.

>Where is the oil leak, or can't you tell?

Its weeping from one of the lines, thankfully not from the engine (not
the last ime I looked anyway!).

John

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Mark - 27 Mar 2004 03:26 GMT
That's good that it's not the engine that's leaking. I have my engine out at
the moment for a transmission rebuild and to fix some leaks. We finished the
transmission, yesterday, so now I'm making ready to attack the leaks.

mark

> >Where are you located, John? I'm in Massachusetts.
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> John
 
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