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Car Forum / Porsche / Porshe 911 / November 2004

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Talisman - 11 Nov 2004 07:52 GMT
This morning I hopped into my 84' 911 to go to work. It was about 31 degrees
Fahrenheit outside, so just a tad brisk to say the least. Anyway, my
faithful steed fire right up as always, and off I went. I came to the first
stop, and was pretty well slowed down (below 10kph) and started to slide it
into first. But as I did that, I cringed at the sound of gear grinding. It
just did it the one time (which was enough for me) on my way in. It seemed
once the car warmed up to operating temperature all was fine. I paid close
attention to the shifting, and it felt just fine as always. So then as I'm
leaving work (once again it was a bit brisk) I got a grinding of gears when
I tried to downshift to first at the stop. All this past summer no grinding.
So on my way home I stopped by the local Porsche mechanic and asked him
about it. Since the transmission was just rebuilt this past year I was
thinking that maybe it was low on transmission fluid, and needed more time
to build up fluid pressure. My mechanic explained to me just how the syncros
were set-up, and how the 917 transmission was using the same syncro design
that had been around a while up until the G50. He told me also that a common
mistake allot of folks make is to try and downshift to first gear above
10kph. I told him that I usually "coast" up to stops with the clutch
engaged, shifting at the last minute when the car is almost stopped anyway.
So I mentioned the cold weather aspect and asked if that could be a possible
cause? He agreed that it might be. I wanted to get the groups take on this
before I got to carried away with this.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,
Mark - 11 Nov 2004 12:09 GMT
Talisman,

Don't get "carried away" - you're just seeing one of the many idiosyncrasies
of the 915 transmission. Your mechanic is right - the grinding you heard was
what are known as the "dog teeth", apart of the synchro assembly, which
actually do the engagement when shifting gears. Assuming the synchros are in
reasonably good condition, the reason you heard the grind is probably
because of the cold transmission lube preventing the synchros from doing
their job.

That said, depending upon mileage and how it's been driven, your '84's
synchros may be worn. The 1st gear synchros are often the first to show
signs of wear, and grinding of the dog teeth when shifting is the indicator.
The remedy is a rebuild, but there's no reason to rush off and do it because
once you're aware of the wear, you can work around it. Delaying the
downshift is one way, double-clutching is another. Many of us live with worn
synchros for a looong time before tearing the transmission down. In my
opinion, it's a matter of how much you're willing to put up with.

regards,

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'77 Carrera 3.0
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> This morning I hopped into my 84' 911 to go to work. It was about 31 degrees
> Fahrenheit outside, so just a tad brisk to say the least. Anyway, my
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>
> Thanks in advance,
Talisman - 12 Nov 2004 06:33 GMT
Thanks Mark for the input! Since the transmission was just rebuilt within
the last year by the previous owner, I'm hoping that the syncros are still
in resonably good condition, and as you and my local Porsche mechani pointed
out, it may just be the adverse effects of the cold weather on my trani
fluid. So needless to say, I've been step'n lightly when it comes to
down-shifting.

Thank VERY MUCH once again for you input!

Lynn
84' 911
william_b_noble - 12 Nov 2004 07:01 GMT
suggestion - learn to double clutch.  Then, CAREFULLY, learn to shift
without using the clutch at all, both up and down (this can come in handy
when the clutch cable breaks - ask me how I know this) - once you can do
that, you will be driving MUCH more smoothly, and not only will you have
almost zero wear on the clutch, but you won't even notice synchro problems
because the synchros won't have to work very hard at all.

(and not, I'm not suggesting you drive all the time without using the
clutch, just that you be able to do so)

> Thanks Mark for the input! Since the transmission was just rebuilt within
> the last year by the previous owner, I'm hoping that the syncros are still
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> Lynn
> 84' 911
 
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