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Car Forum / Porsche / Porshe 911 / June 2005

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Price for 1984 Turbo?

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HotRod - 08 Jun 2005 15:06 GMT
I've managed to find a friend of a friend who has been sitting on a 1984
Turbo for several years and is now just looking to get it out of his cottage
garage. The car will not start and he has no interest in getting it looked
at since he bought it as a project car, when he bought the car it had been
through a fresh water flood but the inside and out seem to be fine, no rust
or rot. What is a car with this kind of questions worth? Since I'm not sure
what I'm going to run into mechanically, (cosmetics are great) what should I
offer? What's a steal?
HotRod - 08 Jun 2005 15:53 GMT
Sorry I meant a 1982 930 (911 Turbo)
The Dead Senator - 09 Jun 2005 02:51 GMT
> I've managed to find a friend of a friend who has been sitting on a 1984
> Turbo for several years and is now just looking to get it out of his cottage
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> what I'm going to run into mechanically, (cosmetics are great) what should I
> offer? What's a steal?

    A "steal" would be free.  The parts are gonna eat you alive if you pay
retail.  Are you going to do all the work?  That'll save a ton.  What's
a good used '82 930 worth?  I'd guess ~$18-20k.  Someone else can chime
in with valuations.

    Is this in the US?  If it is an 84 (or an 82) this is a 'grey market'
car.  This would devalue a normal car 10-20%, but it largely depends on
who did the conversion.   (There were no 930's sold in the US from 1979
to 1984.  Thus, it is an import and had to be converted to US DOT
specifications.)

    A flood?  Does it need an engine?  Probably.  $5-12k there.  Is the
body good?  Paint?  This car should be cheap.  I'll venture a guess at
around $8-10k, but it should be less.  A good deal would be $5k, but
realize that you may end up putting more money into it than it will ever
be worth by the time you finish.  That is, if you finish...  I would
start making a laundry list of items that the car will need and get some
rough estimates.  Add it up (with the purchase price) and see where it
compares to the value and use that as a bargaining tool.

    I hope this helps.  Of course, being Usenet and all, someone else will
correct any misleading statements that I've made.  Let us know what you do.

Regards,

DS
95 993 Coupe
HotRod - 13 Jun 2005 14:54 GMT
I was told for sure that this car was a 1982, I'm not sure whether it was
imported or grey market. IS there anyway to tell the difference? This is a
US car and I'm assuming that the engine will need to be dropped and then
rebuilt. Any idea what electronics may be shot due to a fresh water flood.
How many electronics could there be on a 82?

I've done all of my own maintenance in the past and have finished many
projects so this isn't an issue. Paint and interior look great.
rory911 - 17 Jun 2005 04:58 GMT
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You can usually tell the earlier Grey Market cars by the rust. The newer
cars, since 1981, are easy to identify by the VIN numbers.

The new numbering system is international and uses 17 digits
(123-456-78-9-10-11-12-13-14 15 16 17). The first three digits are the world
manufacturing code and Porsche's code is WPO. The next three digits (456)
are the VDS code for the U.S.A. and Canada. These three digits on the rest
of the World cars are ZZZ, so if your car or a car you are looking at for
prospective purchase has a ZZZ in this (4 5 and 6 digit position) the car is
a Grey Market 911.

The VDS code consists of two letters and one number. The first letter (digit
4) indicates which series car it is. The character A indicates the series is
911 coupe, the character E indicates Targa or Cabriolet and the character J
indicates Turbo Coupe.

The second letter (digit 5) indicates that the engine is for either Canada A
or U.S.A. B. The number in this sequence (digit 6) indicates the type of
restraint system; "O" stands for passive. These three digits are ZZZ for the
rest of the World cars and are considered as fill-in digits or specific
vehicle code for U.S.A. and Canada.

The next two digits (78) are the first two digits of the Porsche model type;
91 indicates 911, 93 indicates 930 and 95 indicates 959. The next digit (9)
is used as a test digit. The next digit (10) is a letter indicating the
model year, 1981 was the letter B and 1987 is the letter H.

The next digit (11) is a letter indicating the manufacturing location; S is
Stuttgart. The next digit (12) is the third digit of the Porsche model type;
1 indicates 911, 0 indicates 930 and 9 indicates 959. The next digit (13) is
the code for the body and engine. The remaining four digits (14 15 16 17)
are the sequential serial numbers: WPOAA910BS120001

>I was told for sure that this car was a 1982, I'm not sure whether it was
>imported or grey market. IS there anyway to tell the difference? This is a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I've done all of my own maintenance in the past and have finished many
> projects so this isn't an issue. Paint and interior look great.
 
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