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Car Forum / Porsche / Porshe 911 / July 2006911 turbo
my favorite is the mid 90's, or to be more precise: the 1997 993 (911) twin turbo S that model captures the right combination essense of the all-time true classic look of the 80's turbo with the late model 2000+ turbo. it strikes the perfect balance of the old school look, and the new. > my favorite is the mid 90's, or to be more precise: the 1997 993 (911) twin > turbo S [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > it strikes the perfect balance of the old school look, and the new. I wholeheartedly agree! They just aren't very practicle for a daily driver, though. So, I'll 'settle' for a NA 993. They're okay. ;~P DS 95 993 Coupe what constitutes a car to be classified as being able to be a "daily driver"? >> my favorite is the mid 90's, or to be more precise: the 1997 993 (911) >> twin turbo S [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > DS > 95 993 Coupe > what constitutes a car to be classified as being able to be a "daily > driver"? I suppose that could be different things to different people, but if we are comparing a Porsche Turbo to a normally aspirated (NA) model there are some specific issues. These cars were designed to go 150+ mph easily. They are not designed for stop-n-go traffic going 15 mph. Overheating is possible and constant clutch work is harder on both driver and car. Operating expenses for a turbo are higher versus a NA car. Insurance, tune ups, tires, etcetera. The Turbo is worth more, ergo devaluation based on mileage, door dings, rock chips and other roadward maladies weighs heavier here than a NA car. A daily driver should not be difficult to manage in heavy traffic. Turbos are much more demanding and somewhat of a handful compared to a NA car. Even if there is no heavy traffic in your commute, the operating expenses are still higher and the NA car goes plenty fast for the roads (and cops) around here. The issue is not that it isn't possible to use a Turbo as a daily driver, it's just that it is more difficult, impracticle and costlier. In that vein, ~any~ car could be a daily driver depending on what resources you are willing to put toward the effort. Common sense hopefully steps in somewhere along the line. In this case, it appears that it is more trouble than it logically should seem worth, so I would say a Turbo should not be used as a daily driver. That said, I would be hard pressed not to drive it to work on occassion. DS boxsters as well go above 150mph easily - so does that mean boxsters aren't daily drivers? suppose that turbo was automatic, as opposed to manual...would that to you now be more considered daily driver-able? >> what constitutes a car to be classified as being able to be a "daily >> driver"? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > DS > boxsters as well go above 150mph easily - so does that mean boxsters aren't > daily drivers? Speed alone was not my point. A Boxster may _just_ go 150ish while a Turbo is approaching 200 mph. A Boxster is much easier to drive and since operating costs are lower, it is probably just fine for a daily driver. > suppose that turbo was automatic, as opposed to manual...would that to you > now be more considered daily driver-able? Sure, a Tiptronic transmission would help with traffic, but I would not drive it everyday. so in your opinion: out of the entire porsche line ever created...what's the most/best(everything considered) car to use as your everyday driver? be specific as to which model and year(s) range >> boxsters as well go above 150mph easily - so does that mean boxsters >> aren't daily drivers? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Sure, a Tiptronic transmission would help with traffic, but I would not > drive it everyday. >so in your opinion: out of the entire porsche line ever created...what's the >most/best(everything considered) car to use as your everyday driver? > >be specific as to which model and year(s) range Lawrence, you're coming across as pretty closed-minded on the subject already, and I suspect this will be an adventure in pig-wrestling. That said, when I owned 3 Porsches - 911, 944, 928 - my daily driver was the 944. It had better HVAC and more cargo space than the 911, vastly better fuel economy than the 928, and better handling than both. If I were picking a Porsche daily driver today, I'd go with the 944S2 or 968, black with black interior, manual transmission and 17" turbo twist wheels ...not that I've thought about it. ;) epbrown -- "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people will settle for the car." Chris Titus 2003 BMW 325i Black/Black, 2003 BMW Z4 Black/Black > so in your opinion: out of the entire porsche line ever created...what's the > most/best(everything considered) car to use as your everyday driver? > > be specific as to which model and year(s) range There are several very reliable models to pick from. This depends on what styling you like as much as it depends on your budget. The 911 and 944 have very reliable models to choose from. The earlier Boxster years had a very small percentage with engine casting problems, but they seem okay overall. It is well know advice when looking at what Porsche to buy that you should buy the latest model that you can afford (read some Bruce Anderson). This doesn't stop with the purchase, but continues on with the maintenance, as well. I happen to love the 911 styling, which means that so far, I have not owned a 944 or a 928. A late model 944 or 968 would not make me unhappy, though. They have much better utility value with the hatchback and, as Emanuel has stated, better fuel mileage. The 911 is a two-seater with little trunk space. I used to carry the occasional 2x4 in the old Targa. Once, I stuffed a bicycle in it. Crazy. I would not do that now. This is _my_ list. Doubtless I am going to miss many very fine cars and I've only been thinking about it for 10 minutes. Perhaps someone could help augment it, but this would be my list of used, reliable daily drivers that I would consider (it is obviously skewed by my tastes) depending on the budget: 78-83 SC ~$8-15k 87-88 Carrera ~$14-22k 95 Carrera ~$27-35k 92 Carrera ~$15-25k 89-91 944S2 ~$8-16k 95 968 ~$18-25k The valuations are my own observations and are probably inaccurate. There are valuation guides for these sorts of things. Any of the 80's Carrera's are probably just fine for daily drivers as are many of the 80's 944s. How well it's been cared for will help determine this. What is your preference? i noticed you didn't mention the boxster line in your selection of daily driver-ables...why. is it because it's relatively new and has a less richer tradition compared to the throne-holding 911's line? i plan to spend about 25K, +/- 5K. i like the all-time classic look of the 80's turbo's. but i'm not a mechancial car guy who likes to get his hands dirty - so my selection will have to be rather reliable from the get-go. at the same pricing point, my alternative is a latter model boxster S. which should i get? >> so in your opinion: out of the entire porsche line ever created...what's >> the most/best(everything considered) car to use as your everyday driver? [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > What is your preference? > i noticed you didn't mention the boxster line in your selection of daily > driver-ables...why. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > which should i get? The Boxster S. It is what you want. I didn't list the Boxster because I am not as knowledgable about their reliability. I am also not so much of a fan of the body style and the list, as stated, showed a reflection of what I'd like for a daily driver. But - if I were to drive a Boxster, it'd have to be the S. For that style of car though, I really like the Cayman S. Too bad it's out of my range. I own a 944. Guards Red with Parchment White interior......beautiful car. I have also sold Porsches for a dealership. I do know that when it was time to pick my demo, I always tried to grab a Boxster S. The 911s seemed a bit bulky for me. The boxster is so drivable and effortless. The 944 is also a very drivable car with room to put stuff. $25K will get you into a nice newer model Boxster, where the 944 is a ton less. To get into a 911 at that price, you'd have to go a lot older. Older 911s are fast as hell, but a little quirky with very stiff clutches and hard steering by today's standards. The 944 can also be problematic with it's age. But the money you can save at purchase would certainly offset that. As far as reliability......With a few exceptions, the Boxster is almost bulletproof. I love 'em. Best of luck with your decision. >i noticed you didn't mention the boxster line in your selection of daily >driver-ables...why. [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >> >> What is your preference? In my opinion the real matter is how much pleasure you deserve on a daily basis. If this is the point, go Turbo every day! Best wishes, SB >> what constitutes a car to be classified as being able to be a "daily >> driver"? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > DS |
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