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Car Forum / Porsche / Porshe 911 / April 2007Question for Porsche Aficionados
WTF is an 11-year-old 911 being sold with a $62,000 starting bid and an even higher reserve price? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-911-Turbo-96-911-Coupe-Turbo-AWD-Imaculat e_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ10156QQihZ007QQitemZ170102613571QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZ WDVW A *brand new* 911 lists for $72,000. What's so special about this old one?  SignatureDrive right. Pass left. > A *brand new* 911 lists for $72,000. What's so special about this old > one? I'm no Porsche expert, but the car in the auction is a 911 Turbo, AWD. A new 911 Turbo starts at 122,900, according to the Porsche web site: http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-turbo/ -=- Tom "Tom D" <no@spam.please> said in rec.autos.driving: >> A *brand new* 911 lists for $72,000. What's so special about this old >> one? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-turbo/ Still, how many vehicles retain 50% of their original value after 11 years? Not even a Honda will do that! SignatureDrive right. Pass left. > "Tom D" <no@spam.please> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Still, how many vehicles retain 50% of their original value after 11 > years? Not even a Honda will do that! 911, it's not just a car, it's an icon. Seriously, if it's kept in good condition it's going to depreciate all that it's going to depreciate within the first 5 years or so. nate Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel Nate Nagel <njnagel@roosters.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >> Still, how many vehicles retain 50% of their original value after 11 >> years? Not even a Honda will do that! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Seriously, if it's kept in good condition it's going to depreciate all >that it's going to depreciate within the first 5 years or so. I checked Edmunds. A 1996 Porsche Turbo AWD in top condition has a dealer retail TMV of $53,004. I mave have to trade in my Corvette. :) SignatureDrive right. Pass left. > Nate Nagel <njna...@roosters.net> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > Drive right. Pass left. I dunno... drive one first. A 'vette is a hell of a car for the money, esp. the C6. A 911 is a hell of a car too, but at a different price point and in a different way... nate > "Tom D" <no@spam.please> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Still, how many vehicles retain 50% of their original value after 11 > years? Not even a Honda will do that! Scott, I bought a 911 Targa new in 1974 for $11,000. I sold it with 60,000 miles on it in 1984 for $10,000. Sure, inflation made that $10,000 a lot smaller than in 1974 dollars, still, what other car retains it's value like that? Other than 'collectable' limited production cars, none. A Honda is a Honda, is a Honda. I know you are a Corvette guy and you'll probably never figure out why Porsche's are special to some people. I feel the same way about Ferrari's. Sure, there are some really great Ferrari's, but I would never get worked up over one. I was 'imprinted' with Porsche DNA when I was 16. My brother brought one back from Germany, he let me drive it to school if I washed it for him. I've driven lots of the recent high performance cars. Ferrari, Lambo, Corvette, Maserati, and lots and lots of Porsches. None put a smile on my face like the Porsche's do. I guess that's why good Porsche's retain their value so well. If that's what you want, nothing else will do. Alan > WTF is an 11-year-old 911 being sold with a $62,000 starting bid and > an even higher reserve price? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > A *brand new* 911 lists for $72,000. What's so special about this old > one? The same ebay disease that has people asking all sorts of insane prices for cars these days. > WTF is an 11-year-old 911 being sold with a $62,000 starting bid and > an even higher reserve price? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Drive right. Pass left. Maybe it's the "Yes dear, I'll sell the car" price. Most cars on e- bay are way overpriced. I've seen the same thing at shows and cruize nights. I believe that only a few of the sellers are serious. Promises to "get rid" of a car that the wife is jelaous of may drive a lot of it. "Sweetheart, I tried but couldn't get a good offer....." In this case the seller has 0 feedback so it's likely he's not done a deal before. I've done a handful of transactions on e-bay, for cars and motorcycles, as buyer and seller. Most bidders and "sellers" on eBay Motors are less than serious in my opinion. Mike Mordant <mikemordant@yahoo.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >Maybe it's the "Yes dear, I'll sell the car" price. Could be, although it appears to be a car dealership ("Autobarn Mazda") that is selling the car. It could be some sort of consignment deal, but still I wouldn't expect the dealership to waste their time taking photos and putting up the listing if the car was ridiculously overpriced. SignatureDrive right. Pass left. > WTF is an 11-year-old 911 being sold with a $62,000 starting bid and > an even higher reserve price? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Drive right. Pass left. IMHO not much, i'm more partial to the "classic" ones myself. However, a comparable new one would probably list for significantly more than $72K - it is an AWD Turbo, after all. nate (really wants a '73 911RSR...) On Apr 17, 8:34 am, Scott en Aztlán <scottenazt...@yahoo.com> wrote: > WTF is an 11-year-old 911 being sold with a $62,000 starting bid and > an even higher reserve price? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Drive right. Pass left. Turbo, AWD, both of which add a LOT to the base price of a 911. It's got the VERY expensive wood extras everywhere. It was probably the most expensive 911 on the lot when it was new. And it's being sold by a dealer. I'd take it if someone gave it to me, but if I were buying a 911 it wouldn't be my first choice. Nice car but all the extras make it kind of 'gay' in my opinion. A GT-3 is more to my taste. Alan it is a nice car, great color combo, 911 turbo! i'd have to agree with alan...extras does make it 'gay' i prefer the default grayish/black interior - and that's it, nothing else. all the extras is taking "away" from you the core car concept. > On Apr 17, 8:34 am, Scott en Aztlán <scottenazt...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> WTF is an 11-year-old 911 being sold with a $62,000 starting bid and [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- > WTF is an 11-year-old 911 being sold with a $62,000 starting bid and > an even higher reserve price? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Drive right. Pass left. 2007 Turbos go for about $120K. Luckily for all of us Porsche resale is very high because of the quality of the cars. B On Apr 17, 7:34 am, Scott en Aztlán <scottenazt...@yahoo.com> wrote: > WTF is an 11-year-old 911 being sold with a $62,000 starting bid and > an even higher reserve price? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Drive right. Pass left. 2007 Turbos go for about $120K. Luckily for all of us Porsche resale is very high because of the quality of the cars. As another point of reference: I bought an '02 996 twin turbo, six speed manual and all wheel drive last year for $84K (from a dealer). It had 18k miles on it, had been pampered by a POA member and they CPO'd it, so there's a warranty. Black with simple black interior (no gay car <g>). I am now converted. I had purchased an '06 BMW M5 and, although a very technologically advanced car, it just didn't do it for me. The Porsche does. RCE Benz' SL and AMG series... BMW M Series... although i guess they are more sportier versions...they still don't measure up to Porsche's pedigree. Porsche, at heart, is a natural-born thoroughbred sports/race car - period. Porsche drives like a sportscar. The others still feels like a sedan when driven - specially benz' amg series > On Apr 17, 7:34 am, Scott en Aztlán <scottenazt...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> WTF is an 11-year-old 911 being sold with a $62,000 starting bid and [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > RCE > Benz' SL and AMG series... > BMW M Series... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Porsche drives like a sportscar. The others still feels like a sedan when > driven - specially benz' amg series That's what I found. The E60 M5 is a very nice car ... fast and agile. But, the only way I found that I could appreciate it's performance was the very few occasions when I took it up over 100 mph. Below that speed it basically felt like a regular 5 series BMW with little "connection" to the driver. The Porsche feels like a sports car even at 30 mph, yet it can still throw your head into the back seat if you want to. RCE > > Benz' SL and AMG series... > > BMW M Series... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > RCE You obviously drive different cars than "the rest of us." IMHO the difference in driving feel between my old E28 chassis 535i and, say, a Chevy Impala (my current company vehicle) is significantly more different than the difference in feel between the 535i and my current personal 944. Sure, the 944 is somewhat more involving, but the difference in handling between "really quite good" and "holy @#$% that's amazing" is irrelevant for 99% of US street driving. Both are head and shoulders above most of the cars on the road today, and both are exceptionally competent at any speed/condition encountered. Of course I wouldn't have been driving the 535i at Summit Point, but that's not the intent of the car - it is a "sports sedan" not a "sports car" after all. I could be happy with either the 535i or the 944; I'd never buy the Imp for myself. That said, I can certainly understand those who have the money and are willing to pay the premium to drive a Porsche over anything else (just look in my driveway.) nate >> That's what I found. The E60 M5 is a very nice car ... fast and agile. >> But, the only way I found that I could appreciate it's performance was [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> RCE > You obviously drive different cars than "the rest of us." IMHO the > difference in driving feel between my old E28 chassis 535i and, say, a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > nate BMW builds some fine cars (although I discovered that the new E60 M5 has had some issues with the electronics and SMG transmission). My son has an '05 540i and it has all the handling performance and power one would need for everyday driving. My wife has an '06 BMW Z4si (sports convertible) that is a fun car to drive but doesn't compare to the 996TT. I was referring more to the subjective "connection factor" with the driver. Here, I think Porsche has it all over BMW. RCE checkout my recent blog about the 911 turbo on my site itsbusinessbaby.com > On Apr 17, 7:34 am, Scott en Aztlán <scottenazt...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> WTF is an 11-year-old 911 being sold with a $62,000 starting bid and [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > RCE |
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