Car has about 40K miles on it for $40K.
Is there a lot of maintenance on Porshces in general? I've never been
an owner, thinking of buying my first.
What does regular maintenance cost and how often is it? I'd probably
be putting 5-7K miles per year on it.
The dealership is 100 miles away, that may be a problem also...
I've also thought about a Cayman, seems like an ideal car, doesn't
have or need the larger 911 engine, and it handles very well.
Or maybe a BMW is better all around and can be more of a daily
driver....
BMW's are an entirely different driving experience. If you want more of a
true sports car/small grand touring ride...then Porsche is for you. If you
want more of a luxury, grand touring ride and experience, then most BMW's
are for you...except the Z's and a maybe the high powered "M" models
(similar to Mercedes AMG models).
That said, I have owned a number of Porsches since the '70's, and currently
own and drive an '01 cabriolet daily.
My car is just about to hit 40K miles, and I put about 8.5-9K mi per year,
so our maintenance should be about the same.
In basic terms, today's 996 cars operate on a daily basis much like any
other modern auto. You turn the key and they run. Put in fresh Mobil 1
and a filter every 5-7,500 miles and the engine might run forever.
One of the keys prior to purchasing any pre-owned Porsche is to have a
pre-purchase inspection by a knowledgeable shop...not the one that regularly
services the car you're having inspected, and try to get the service
records.
Known problem areas...or simply "wear" items:
1. Brake pads should have been changed at least once
2. The coolant "overflow" tank is "plastic"...and they have been known to
crack and drip down on the exhaust.
3. Some of the early 3.4L engines (and some Boxster engines as well) had
leaky rear mail seals. Those that are bad should have already come to light
and been changed...if required...on the car your're looking at. Any
experienced Porsche technician should be checking for this on an inspection.
4. In order to extract the last little bit of horsepower from the newer
cars, Porsche is using a lighter weight clutch disk...and these tend to wear
out much earlier than in the past. See if the one on this car has been
changed, if not...it's going to need one soon. Check the clutch
travel....if it engages in the last 2" or less...that's a sign that it's
getting time for replacement. You can purchase the exact Sachs clutch that
Porsche uses from several direct importers for less than 1/2 what a dealer
will charge. The labor...that's another thing. At a dealer, it's over $1K,
but obviously less at independent shops.
5. Make sure that your climate control instrument cluster is operating
properly, and that the LED's are reading out properly. They are not a big
problem area, but if you need a replacement, it comes as a complete
assembly...and is not cheap.
6. Same for the instrument cluster...tach, speedo, gas, oil pressure, temp,
etc.
7. The factory installed radios are not well thought of...and are not the
best in the world...by a long shot. The good news is that excellent
replacements are available from any experienced car stereo shop. Be careful
who you let do any work...try to use someone who is experienced with
Porsches, BMW's, etc.
8. Try to get all the keys for the car...which should include 2 master keys
w/remote door/trunk opening, and one valet key. Getting new keys is not
easy and not cheap.
The new cars have good climate control (A/C-Heat) and are generally much
better daily drivers than the older cars. Maintenance is not a major
problem these days; however, make sure that you get a comprehensive
mechanical/electronic inspection and review all service records. If all is
OK and the exterior and interior are in good shape...to meet your standards,
enjoy.
Hope this helps.
> Car has about 40K miles on it for $40K.
>
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> Or maybe a BMW is better all around and can be more of a daily
> driver....
Lawrence Lugar - 03 Oct 2007 23:57 GMT
BMW's are sedans first and foremost - than whatever sportscar there is left
in it.
what about Corvettes, in particular, early 90's models...do they drive
equally as sporty as Porsche's right? and not sedany like BMW's?
> BMW's are an entirely different driving experience. If you want more of a
> true sports car/small grand touring ride...then Porsche is for you. If
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>> Or maybe a BMW is better all around and can be more of a daily
>> driver....
William Noble - 05 Oct 2007 06:34 GMT
I havent driven a recent vette - the last one I drove felt like a cadillac
on speed - it was a big heavy car, not a nimble quick car - may be really
really fast, but it still has thte big car feel
> BMW's are sedans first and foremost - than whatever sportscar there is
> left in it.
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>>> Or maybe a BMW is better all around and can be more of a daily
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Eisboch - 05 Oct 2007 10:09 GMT
> BMW's are an entirely different driving experience. If you want more of a
> true sports car/small grand touring ride...then Porsche is for you. If
> you want more of a luxury, grand touring ride and experience, then most
> BMW's are for you...except the Z's and a maybe the high powered "M" models
> (similar to Mercedes AMG models).
I'll add my 2 cents.
I had an '06 BMW M5. That's the one with the 500hp V10. Nice car, fast and
fun, but it just didn't do it for me. The only way to really appreciate the
car's capability was to drive it hard and fast. Otherwise, it was a family
sedan, which I really didn't need and frankly it had numerous problems,
particularly with the SMG transmission software.
Ended up trading it for an '02 996 Twin Turbo Porsche with a six speed
manual transmission. I have been told that with normal maintenance they
are virtually bulletproof. So far, I've had zero issues or problems after a
year and a half and it feels like a sports car even at 30 mph. It's a
keeper.
Eisboch
Lawrence Lugar - 05 Oct 2007 14:37 GMT
great decision, william noble;
to sell your M5 for a 911 Turbo
M5's suck, at least relative to a 911 Turbo.
they're way too heavy for a sportscar.
relative to the sedan world, BMW M's are sporty...but relative to the
sportscar world, they're only so and so - at best.
>> BMW's are an entirely different driving experience. If you want more of
>> a true sports car/small grand touring ride...then Porsche is for you. If
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> Eisboch
E Brown - 06 Oct 2007 17:25 GMT
>great decision, william noble;
>to sell your M5 for a 911 Turbo
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>relative to the sedan world, BMW M's are sporty...but relative to the
>sportscar world, they're only so and so - at best.
This is something of a puzzle in the BMW world. Their cars,
especially the Ms, are for people that have to compromise a desire for
sportiness with a need for practicality, and BMWs do that better than
anyone, imo. But all too often I see people shelling out for a new M3
who'd be happier and better off with a used 911 or other Porsche. Even
among older cars - I just don't get buying an old E30 or E36 for a
track car conversion instead of getting a similar vintage 911, 944 or
968.
epbrown
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stinkeroo - 06 Oct 2007 00:07 GMT
> BMW's are an entirely different driving experience. If you want more of a
> true sports car/small grand touring ride...then Porsche is for you. If you
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> other modern auto. You turn the key and they run. Put in fresh Mobil 1
> and a filter every 5-7,500 miles and the engine might run forever.
Thanks for your detailed reply. Is this easy to do yourself? The
newer BMW's don't even have a dipstick for some bizarre reason. I'm
used to changing my own oil, although with such a low clearance, I'd
need some jack stands.
> One of the keys prior to purchasing any pre-owned Porsche is to have a
> pre-purchase inspection by a knowledgeable shop...not the one that regularly
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> and been changed...if required...on the car your're looking at. Any
> experienced Porsche technician should be checking for this on an inspection.
Rear main seal? Isn't that incredibly expensive to fix?
> 4. In order to extract the last little bit of horsepower from the newer
> cars, Porsche is using a lighter weight clutch disk...and these tend to wear
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> Hope this helps."stinkeroo" <kennykab...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Thanks again for all the detail.
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> > Car has about 40K miles on it for $40K.
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E Brown - 06 Oct 2007 17:29 GMT
>> 3. Some of the early 3.4L engines (and some Boxster engines as well) had
>> leaky rear mail seals. Those that are bad should have already come to light
>> and been changed...if required...on the car your're looking at. Any
>> experienced Porsche technician should be checking for this on an inspection.
>
>Rear main seal? Isn't that incredibly expensive to fix?
Yep, and from what I've read the fix might not take. I think the
final solution to the RMS issue will be to leave it alone - a lot of
the cars only dripped a little, but people that shelled out for them
new were outraged they dripped at all and demanded it be repaired. As
the cars get older, people will simply live with it, as have Porsche
owners of previous generations.
epbrown
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