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Car Forum / Porsche / Porshe 944 / May 2006

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Rough Running Motor

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Mikestovall - 24 Apr 2006 20:05 GMT
I recently bought a early 1985 944 Porsche. I washed my engine off yesterday
and drove my car to work this morning with no problems.  When I got in my car
at lunch to drive home the car is running really rough and is hesitating when
I push down the accelerator.  What could the problem be?  Please help!!
joliett - 24 Apr 2006 20:21 GMT
If this started after you washed your baby, then you need new ignition wires
(better a good used set than a cheap set or junk MAGNICORE) and maybe a new
distributor cap.

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>I recently bought a early 1985 944 Porsche. I washed my engine off
>yesterday
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> when
> I push down the accelerator.  What could the problem be?  Please help!!
Mikestovall - 24 Apr 2006 20:52 GMT
>If this started after you washed your baby, then you need new ignition wires
>(better a good used set than a cheap set or junk MAGNICORE) and maybe a new
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>> when
>> I push down the accelerator.  What could the problem be?  Please help!!

So I coulnd't be so lucky that its just a bad plug because that is what it
seems like. So some good advice would be to not wash the engine huh?
darthpup - 24 Apr 2006 21:57 GMT
If you directed a garden hose into the engine compartment to clean the
engine I would strongly suggest you use varsol or gunk with compressed
air in the future.
I have a set on Magnicore leads and they work just fine, if not better.
Mikestovall - 25 Apr 2006 17:54 GMT
I actually fixed the problem!  I started pulling plug wires off and to my
surprise there was water in the first plug wire.  I dried that out and it
solved the problem.  A lot cheaper than a new set of ignition wires.

>If you directed a garden hose into the engine compartment to clean the
>engine I would strongly suggest you use varsol or gunk with compressed
>air in the future.
>I have a set on Magnicore leads and they work just fine, if not better.
joliett - 01 May 2006 06:29 GMT
I bought a new set of MAGNICORE WIRES - and the plugs termination to the
sparkplugs was not even close to original equipment.
My Porsche friend george (sound familiar?) looked at it and practically
gasped.

He gavc me a set of used set of ignition wires and told me to THROW OUT the
MAGNICORE wires.
So I did.  What a waste. I hate MAGNACORE wires - and will NEVER recommend
them.
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> If you directed a garden hose into the engine compartment to clean the
> engine I would strongly suggest you use varsol or gunk with compressed
> air in the future.
> I have a set on Magnicore leads and they work just fine, if not better.
Walter Spector - 01 May 2006 17:40 GMT
> I bought a new set of MAGNICORE WIRES - and the plugs termination to the
> sparkplugs was not even close to original equipment.

They are not supposed to look like the Beru wires.

> My Porsche friend george (sound familiar?) looked at it and practically
> gasped.
>
> He gavc me a set of used set of ignition wires and told me to THROW OUT the
> MAGNICORE wires.
> So I did.  What a waste.

If they sent you wires that didn't fit, you should have returned them.
They have a lifetime warantee.

>  I hate MAGNACORE wires - and will NEVER recommend
> them.

My 944 has had Magnacore wires for the past 8 or 9 years.
I bought them on the recommendations of a lot of folk on rennlist,
and its predecessors, who also use them.

The silicon boots do fit VERY tightly onto the plugs.  In fact you have
to 'burp' them a bit to let air out - otherwise pressure builds up and
they pop off.

But they are very well made, and will stand up to just about anything.

Walt - '86 944 NA w/Magnicore (KV85/CN25) wires
darthpup - 01 May 2006 18:38 GMT
Mismatching parts is certainly a common problem.  You threw a hundred
dollars down the drain. .
joliett - 02 May 2006 05:43 GMT
The MAGNACORE wires weren't mismatched just cheap terminals and
boots...nothing like the originally designed Porsche wires.  I dont think a
manufacturer should radically change the design without informing the buyer.
The electrical connections are definitely not Porsche quality, and the boots
also were sub-quality too, and the distributor wire was also not anywhere
near the quality of Porsche design.

Seems to me that spark plug wires are a major importance in running an
engine properly, especially when it's wet or humid outside.

How did I know these wires were inferior - besides the connections and
boots?  I  touched a wire and got a shock straight through the
insulation...and that never happened with the Beru's.  And that was the last
straw - so I pulled the wires after a month or so, and now they're on my
garage floor - WHERE THEY BELONG.

It makes me sick and tired of everyone on RENLIST and elsewhere that rave
about wires that are so OBVIOUSLY inferior to the original wires.  It was
because of "everyone's" stupid opinions that made me buy those crappy wires
in the first place.

There was no mismatched parts - just a cheap imitation - that shouldnt even
be sold --- not for a Porsche anyway.

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1983 944 550,000 miles (Original engine and trans. - hit in rear)
1987 944 250,000 miles and running sweet without crappy MAGNACORE.

> Mismatching parts is certainly a common problem.  You threw a hundred
> dollars down the drain. .
windz1@aol.com - 02 May 2006 09:24 GMT
Well thanks for sharing your opinion.
don
>The MAGNACORE wires weren't mismatched just cheap terminals and
>boots...nothing like the originally designed Porsche wires.  I dont think a
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>There was no mismatched parts - just a cheap imitation - that shouldnt even
>be sold --- not for a Porsche anyway.
darthpup - 02 May 2006 12:33 GMT
Leonardo di Vinci said there are basically three classes of men:
Those who see
Those who can be taught to see
Those who never see

The distribution in the population is of course not uniform.
darthpup - 02 May 2006 12:37 GMT
Obviously the OEM wires were defective allowing most of the current to
go to ground.
NYS electrical engineer?
joliett - 03 May 2006 03:41 GMT
They weren't defective - they were brand new.  There only defect was that
they were pawned off as an OEM when MAGNACORE wires didnt even come close.
I could charge the group $150 for my opinion...yes, I could. But I love the
944 - it's practically a lifetime car, with the right wires - among others.
Take it as it is - FREE.

----- Original Message -----
From: "darthpup" <amchitka@mailexcite.com>
Newsgroups: alt.autos.porsche.944
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: Rough Running Motor

> Obviously the OEM wires were defective allowing most of the current to
> go to ground.
> NYS electrical engineer?
darthpup - 03 May 2006 12:30 GMT
Charge the group?  Really sir!  You need to talk with someone
professional about your state of mind.
joliett - 05 May 2006 16:26 GMT
My state of mind is: what yes no you gotta do it ok do what green yellow
electrical shock what who yes no

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> Charge the group?  Really sir!  You need to talk with someone
> professional about your state of mind.
windz1@aol.com - 03 May 2006 16:30 GMT
Like Andrew Loyd Webber you apparently have the ability to go on and
on. Get off it. Your opinion has been heard. Clearly. An individual
may agree or disagree with you but, repeating that opinion endlessly
doubtless has little value.
don
joliett - 05 May 2006 16:28 GMT
Not true - because I bought those cheap a.s wires based on other BS
recommendations, I may as well contribute the truth about Magnacore so other
Porscheiphiles know the truth.
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> Like Andrew Loyd Webber you apparently have the ability to go on and
> on. Get off it. Your opinion has been heard. Clearly. An individual
> may agree or disagree with you but, repeating that opinion endlessly
> doubtless has little value.
> don
darthpup - 05 May 2006 19:23 GMT
We don't understand.

What exactly does "cheap a.s" mean sir.

Is this a NY electrical technical term?

And "BS"  below standard?
joliett - 06 May 2006 18:49 GMT
cheap a.s is a technical term - and it means the company makes believe the
wires are so great with all their technical BS, and in effect the are
nothing more than "cheap a.s.  And BS is good as below standard.

Who's "we"?
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> We don't understand.
>
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>
> And "BS"  below standard?
darthpup - 06 May 2006 23:39 GMT
MAGNICORE...SUPERIOR HIGH TENSION LEADS.  USED BY WINNERS WORLD WIDE.
joliett - 07 May 2006 17:30 GMT
now we all know this is BS - pure unadulterated BS...
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> MAGNICORE...SUPERIOR HIGH TENSION LEADS.  USED BY WINNERS WORLD WIDE.
William B Noble (don't reply to this address) - 06 May 2006 01:50 GMT
without any invective, consider the following:
the porsche OEM wires are metallic core with resistance elements in
the pulg end terminals.  Here on the left coast, they reliably last 10
years.

Most replacement wires are resistance core wires.  My experience is
that they don't last nearly as long (a year or two).  They are a lot
cheaper.  I have tried using the silicon wire with resistance core
mated to the OEM ends - that doesn't work very well, in fact it's
pretty terrible even if the wires just sit around unused for a couple
of years.

Personally, I always use the OEM type wires on the 944 and 993, a 356
doesn't really care one way or the other.

>Not true - because I bought those cheap a.s wires based on other BS
>recommendations, I may as well contribute the truth about Magnacore so other
>Porscheiphiles know the truth.
Bill

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