ok, i'm a machinist by trade and maybe i'm missing something here... boring
and honing a cyclinder are the same are they not? oversize rings would
require the removal of wall material would it not? i'm very interested in
this as well, because i was thinking of puting in oversize rings myslef but
was told that it wasn't possible. and how would you hone a cylinder without
removing the engine? do expand on this topic please. very interesting stuff.
> Boring not required
William B Noble (don't reply to this address) - 16 May 2006 06:49 GMT
start by downloading the pet6 and shop manual - there's not only the
detaild parts list but also all the info on overhaul you could want. I
seem to remember (and I'm too lazy to check right now) that the 944
has replaceable sleeves
>ok, i'm a machinist by trade and maybe i'm missing something here... boring
>and honing a cyclinder are the same are they not? oversize rings would
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>> Boring not required
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darthpup - 16 May 2006 14:13 GMT
Boring and honing not the same thing.
bernard farquart - 17 May 2006 05:46 GMT
> ok, i'm a machinist by trade and maybe i'm missing something here...
> boring and honing a cyclinder are the same are they not? oversize rings
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> a cylinder without removing the engine? do expand on this topic please.
> very interesting stuff.
A machinist? really?
OK, here it goes, boring means you take a large machine
and take off .25 mm or .001 all around the bore of each cyl. this then means
you
buy over sized *pistons*, not rings to make a match between bore and piston.
Honing means you take a three stone (or ball type) hone and
put it on a drill and move it up and down the cylinder bore
with your hand, to break the glaze on the cylinder wall, so that
the new rings you are putting on your old pistons seat properly.
oversize rings on standard pistons, of course would not fit on
the pistons at all in the first place.
Bernard
darthpup - 17 May 2006 13:06 GMT
Almost correct. Oversize rings are available for standard pistion.
You must fit them to each cylinder by inserting and adjusting the ring
gap before placing on piston and installing.
bernard farquart - 20 May 2006 06:09 GMT
> Almost correct. Oversize rings are available for standard pistion.
> You must fit them to each cylinder by inserting and adjusting the ring
> gap before placing on piston and installing.
Well, I can't say I have heard of them, but I am only 40.
So it would sort of be a custom size based on your adjustment
to each cyl.?
Nice, kind of like the early engines with hand finished
parts, each piston would only properly fit in it's own
bore.
Bernard
darthpup - 20 May 2006 13:42 GMT
There is nothing vintage about this procedure. Common approach by any
competent mechanic. Failure to fit rings can result in broken ring
after running engine. Ring gap is quite important especially in engine
with aluminium block.
http://oem.thepartsbin.com/parts/thepartsbin/wizard.jsp?year=1984&make=PO&model=
944--001&category=All&part=Piston%20Ring%20Set&dp=false
bernard farquart - 21 May 2006 01:31 GMT
> There is nothing vintage about this procedure. Common approach by any
> competent mechanic. Failure to fit rings can result in broken ring
> after running engine. Ring gap is quite important especially in engine
> with aluminium block.
I have only re-ringed a couple of engines, and they were both
Chevy. small blocks, I just made sure the compression ring's gaps
were opposite from each other. Nothing about setting ring gap
in any of the instructions I had at the time. I have (knock of wood)
only had to do the timing belt and tensioner swap on my 928, everything
else has been farther out from the center of the engine. (injectors,
rebuild torque tube brakes etc.)
I sell auto parts, but no one comes into my store for
any internals unless it is for a domestic, pretty much, so
I have only seen the ring sets in oversize to match
oversize pistons, although I do seem to remember some
ring sizing while a friend of mine was doing a Volvo engine,
didn't really connect that with an "oversize ring" situation.
thanks
Bernard
darthpup - 21 May 2006 02:28 GMT
Connect???
bernard farquart - 21 May 2006 07:25 GMT
> Connect???
'cause it didn't apply to the engines I had done,
and I was pretty much just drinking beer in his
garage while he set up the short block.