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Car Forum / Porsche / Porshe 944 / August 2006

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timing  belt - anyone had this happen?

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William Noble - 26 Aug 2006 06:07 GMT
been channging the front seals on a 944S (seemed like a good idea), got all
new rollers too (also seemed like a good idea), and decided to change the
belts while it was all appart (yep, seemed like a good idea) - I've done
this before, its usually easy to put the belt on  - relive the tension, put
the belt on, release the tensioner (or if early car, apply proper tension)
and you are done - well not this time - it took me over an hour to get the
belt on, finally I got it on by rotating the engine by putting a wrench on
the cam shaft and pulling it onto the gears - it's now on, the car is
properly timed, and it runs - but ----- the tensioner (this is an 87) is
held hard against the stop by the belt tension - I don't hear that tell-tale
whine, so belt is not too extremely overtinght, but it bothers me that the
tensioner doesn't even come off the stops one iota - I suppose the belt is
just a MM or two too short, though the teeth fit in the slots on the gears
correctly - could there be any other cause that I should look for?  I don't
really want to break a belt on a 16V car, but then again ....

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William Noble - 27 Aug 2006 17:52 GMT
following up on this - I tried putting the original belt and original
tensioning roller back, the and had the same problem - not long enough -
WTF???   so, I took the tensioner assembly to my mill and enlongated the
slot so it could retract another 3/16 or so - that helped, but still not
long enough - I didn't have to fight to get the belt off when I removed it
to change the seals - what the heck could have happened ?  I'd really like
to get this to where the tensioner actually is not on the stop.

oh, by the way, the "S" cars use a wider and longer timing belt than the
non-S cars, and a different tensioning roller.

any suggestions, anyone??

> been channging the front seals on a 944S (seemed like a good idea), got
> all new rollers too (also seemed like a good idea), and decided to change
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> should look for?  I don't really want to break a belt on a 16V car, but
> then again ....

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Devils944S2 - 27 Aug 2006 22:54 GMT
Could one of the rollers be larger than the one removed by a slight margin?

> following up on this - I tried putting the original belt and original
> tensioning roller back, the and had the same problem - not long enough -
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>> that I should look for?  I don't really want to break a belt on a 16V
>> car, but then again ....
William Noble - 28 Aug 2006 07:58 GMT
I put all the original parts back, and it still didn't fit - taht's what
baffles me - any clues?   oh, and I miked the tensioning roller and the new
one is about .010 larger - about what I'd expect for wear, so I don't think
it's the roller - I don't see any way I could assemble this thing
incorrectly - and moreover I've changed belts on 944s before - this is just
baffling, but something must be interacting with the belt layout - darned if
I can figure out what.....
> Could one of the rollers be larger than the one removed by a slight
> margin?
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>>> there be any other cause that I should look for?  I don't really want to
>>> break a belt on a 16V car, but then again ....

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darthpup - 28 Aug 2006 12:13 GMT
Autistic perception?  Not a mechanical problem!
William Noble - 29 Aug 2006 04:12 GMT
well, this is interesting - in my 85.5 NA manual, it says that the drive
gear for the cam belt has a flange that must go away from the engine (next
to the drive gear for the balance shaft) - so, thinks I - "Aha!  that must
be it" - I figured I must have put this drive gear in backwards - so, I pull
the belt off, pull the gears struggle mightily to get the gear off the
crankshaft without removing the plastic that forms the back of the timing
belt cover - and guess what - there is no flange on the gear at all - so
that isn't it - I have the gear sitting in front of me - it seems symetrical
front to back as you would expect, the notch for the keyway is centered
under a tooth, etc.  But here's the interesitng part - it is cast with the
part number 944-105-125-05.  So, just to be safe, I look up in PET 6 (and
also in the PDF you can DL directly from Porsche), and (it's MG1, SG 2) you
find this part, item 14 on the exploded view, and the part number is
944-105-125-06.  Well, there's another WTF moment.  I'm going to put it back
together and omit the balance shaft drive sprocket and see if I can see any
reason why it isn't fitting right - this is very perplexing.

There must be SOME answer to this problem....

> Autistic perception?  Not a mechanical problem!

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