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88 924S engine into a 85 944 Help?

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944 Polly - 03 Sep 2006 04:49 GMT
88 924S engine into a 85 944 Help?
I am wondering if anyone has done this swap and if so what wiring and
sensors would have to be changed? Also I have heard of using the late
fuel rail is a good idea but a mod to the line will have to be made is
this correct? Any info would help Thanks!
Dave Ryman - 03 Sep 2006 17:08 GMT
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>  88 924S engine into a 85 944 Help?
> I am wondering if anyone has done this swap and if so what wiring and
> sensors would have to be changed? Also I have heard of using the late
> fuel rail is a good idea but a mod to the line will have to be made is
> this correct? Any info would help Thanks!

Hmmm....

Why swap? Would you buy a car with the resulting spec? Would you insure a
car with the resulting spec? More to the point, would you trust your life
to one?

It could be the engines etc... are identical, but the insurance companies
still won't touch it (unless you pay them a nice inflated premium, of
course).

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psydocs@gmail.com - 04 Sep 2006 18:52 GMT
Wow.  All these years of insuring vehicles and not once did an
insurance company ask me WHICH engine was in my car.  Lucky me I guess.

For some reason, they keep insisting my 944 has a 6 banger in it.  I
tell them it just drives that way.

Go figure.
Dave Ryman - 05 Sep 2006 00:56 GMT
> Wow.  All these years of insuring vehicles and not once did an
> insurance company ask me WHICH engine was in my car.  Lucky me I guess.
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>
> Go figure.

The question is "has your car been modified in any way". If you answer no
and you make a claim which they see fit to check on, and find the wrong
engine, no payout.

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Funkie - 06 Sep 2006 00:17 GMT
In 12 years, I have never been asked if its been modified. Is this a common
question?

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> > Wow.  All these years of insuring vehicles and not once did an
> > insurance company ask me WHICH engine was in my car.  Lucky me I guess.
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Dave Ryman - 06 Sep 2006 01:45 GMT
> In 12 years, I have never been asked if its been modified. Is this a
> common question?
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I guess you live in the states, then.

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Alec - 11 Sep 2006 11:28 GMT
An absolutely standard question when you take out insurance.

Alec
> In 12 years, I have never been asked if its been modified. Is this a
> common
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Paul - 12 Sep 2006 00:21 GMT
> In 12 years, I have never been asked if its been modified. Is this a
> common question?
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After reading this I couldn't remember if this was a standard app question
or not (since most of my line specific work was for home owners, I work as
a programmer for an insurance company) so I asked one of the other
programmers that worked on Auto.  It is pretty standard here in the US.  So
my next question was what did it mean.  The answer is has there been any
modifications that would increase the value of the car (so if you total it
the replacement would be the same).  So we pondered the question of how
much modification would be what you would need to put down. (The joy of
working as a programmer is that you must also become an underwriter)  Our
opinion (and note it is only our opinion) is that you should list a
modification if should the car be totaled, you would want the cost of the
modification to be considered for your replacement, or if the modification
significantly is a departure from the car's design or the mod changes the
cars capabilities.  That is to say if you are putting in an engine that is
nothing like the ones that was put in it at the factory, or a suspension
that causes the car to do things not intended at the factory (like causing
it to "jack" up and down or putting an off road suspension on a Porsche).
So if you were to put a 928's motor in a 924, then you should report it.  A
1000hp race motor, then report it.  But a 4 cyl. engine in a car that had a
4 cyl engine and they are both the same, or damn close to the same cubes,
and you don't care to get paid for it if it gets stolen, then don't.
Contrary to what most believe your liability is not really affected by the
car you are driving, only the comprehensive premium.  I spend significantly
more to insure my 2003 full size van then my brand new SUV, and gobs more
than my 924.  But all of them are the same for personal liability. That is
more to do with the drivers record.

HTH
Paul.
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psydocs@gmail.com - 12 Sep 2006 16:37 GMT
Wow!  Excellent response Paul!

Thank you
tricky - 30 Oct 2006 16:58 GMT
And still, the OP is none the wiser !

Rich
> 88 924S engine into a 85 944 Help?
> I am wondering if anyone has done this swap and if so what wiring and
> sensors would have to be changed? Also I have heard of using the late
> fuel rail is a good idea but a mod to the line will have to be made is
> this correct? Any info would help Thanks!
Bubba Jones - 10 Nov 2006 17:22 GMT
>  88 924S engine into a 85 944 Help?
> I am wondering if anyone has done this swap and if so what wiring and
> sensors would have to be changed? Also I have heard of using the late
> fuel rail is a good idea but a mod to the line will have to be made is
> this correct? Any info would help Thanks!

On the subject of the swap itself, the motor will drop right in and the
only way anyone could tell would be to check the engine number.

What you would gain would be a slightly higher compression ratio and
about 10 HP.  You'd also gain the late model cam belt tensioner which
makes routine cam belt maintenance a little easiser.

I think the only change would/should be to replace the Bosch control
unit computer with the one from the 88 924S to get the proper code on
the chip.

If you're replacing a blown engine, I'd say go for it.  If you are
thinking of it as a performance upgrade, it would be noticeable, but not
huge.

Since the engines are virtually identical, I wouldn't think it would be
considered a modification, merely a replacement.

IMHO,

924SBob
Davis, CA
 
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