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Car Forum / Porsche / Porshe 944 / December 2006

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No spark, daily driver 951 -- Did some performance upgrades...

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totalgeekdom@gmail.com - 22 Nov 2006 07:43 GMT
Ok, did some performance stuff...

Wastegate shims (2)
Manual boost controller
3 bar fuel pressure regulator
951MAX chips (old chips are authority)
redid a bunch of vacuum lines

Got done, cranked the key -- No spark

When I installed the boost controller, I took one end and tapped the
intake manifold for vacuum and the other end to the wastegate, and
plugged the line previously going to the wastegate.

This bypasses the control valve? Is this my problem? Maybe I bypassed
the KLR, is this my problem?

Bad chips? Could my chips be a bad lot?

What else should I check?

Thanks!
-Alex
totalgeekdom@gmail.com - 22 Nov 2006 17:21 GMT
Getting spark....
Must be fuel....
Put old Fuel pressure regulator back on.
No dice

Took off bolt on end of fuel rail, turned it over and fuel went
everywhere.

So, I think it has something to do with my vacuum / wastegate.

When I'm turning it over my boost gauge is at atmospheric pressure(both
of them) -- Is this normal? I don't remember.

> Ok, did some performance stuff...
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> Thanks!
> -Alex
William Noble - 23 Nov 2006 06:54 GMT
my first suspicion would be the chip you changed
> Getting spark....
> Must be fuel....
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>> Thanks!
>> -Alex

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totalgeekdom@gmail.com - 23 Nov 2006 09:01 GMT
Well crap -- Checked the chip change (brother did it while I was doing
WG) and he put the damn chips in backwards.

Tooks them out, put in 951MAX chips (correctly) plugged in the DME and
KLR, placed them on the floor, and she started right up.
Ran a bit rough... Shut it off, took tools out from the hood, shut it,
opened garage door, started it, revved up to 2k, idle was purring.
Great :D
Ran it around the block, shut it off in the driveway, mounted the
DME/KLR on the metal bracket, mounted the bracket on the floor boards,
installed carpet.

Tried to start it -- No dice.

Whiskey tango foxtrot?
-poz

> my first suspicion would be the chip you changed
> > Getting spark....
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> >> Thanks!
> >> -Alex
totalgeekdom@gmail.com - 23 Nov 2006 09:35 GMT
Tried ether in the intake, no luck
Checked for fuel pressure at fuel rail -- It's there
Checked for spark -- No go

Gotta be the DME, but how do I troubleshoot a dme?

> Well crap -- Checked the chip change (brother did it while I was doing
> WG) and he put the damn chips in backwards.
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William Noble - 23 Nov 2006 18:04 GMT
probably connector or cable, not DME if it runs with the thing on the floor
but not screwed in place - check wires and that connector is properly locked
into place

> Tried ether in the intake, no luck
> Checked for fuel pressure at fuel rail -- It's there
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totalgeekdom@gmail.com - 23 Nov 2006 19:21 GMT
Well once it mounted it, and it wouldn't start, I pulled it out and set
it on the floor, and jiggled the connectors trying to get it to work
:(

swapped chips, BACK to authority, and it's still not working.

> probably connector or cable, not DME if it runs with the thing on the floor
> but not screwed in place - check wires and that connector is properly locked
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darthpup - 24 Nov 2006 00:30 GMT
I have been through this drill.

You need to locate another computer and plug and test on your car.

Short of that you can buy another one.

If you are experienced working on integrated component electronics you
are possibly aware that you can damage the circuits with static
electriciy from your hands.  If you did not use a grounding strap to
your wrist you may have damaged an integrated circuit in the computer.
I have also had the connections on the relay panel come loose.  Try
jiggling the rat nest of wires around the relay panel and cranking the
engine.  You may have a bad connection in there.
William Noble - 24 Nov 2006 07:33 GMT
one more thought - there are excellent diagnostics in the Porsche manual -
scope traces and all - look at the diagnostics section under DME and see if
it helps.
>I have been through this drill.
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> jiggling the rat nest of wires around the relay panel and cranking the
> engine.  You may have a bad connection in there.

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BGMedia - 04 Dec 2006 20:41 GMT
I'd vote for Noble's first suggestion about some kind of physical break
in the wires or connection with the DME/KLR plug.

An easy test is to use a multimeter on the continuity setting and with
a friend trace the wires (there aren't that many, and they go directly
to the engine sensors -- like throttle body, mass air flow sensor,
magnetic sensors, etc.)

I would also make sure your RPM and TDC sensors didn't get bumped or
damaged while you were fussing with the WG.  Or, more specifically, the
wires.  If these are not giving a signal to the DME, she won't start --
no matter what.

I was also thinking, if you put the covers on the ECUs incorrectly, you
might have some grounding problem that only started once you screwed
the ECUs to the mounting bracket -- as opposed to leaving them on the
carpet.

Overall, I've found those computers to be pretty durable, so I'd say
chances are something much simpler (but perhaps harder to find) has
gone wrong.

Good luck!

p.s. re-reading my post here, I want to give more emphasis to the RPM
and TDC sensors -- these are specifically what the DME uses to decide
if or when to fire a spark plug; and the airflow/temp/knock/boost
sensors control the duration of the pulses to the fuel injectors (as
well as spark timing to optimize combustion at different RPMs) --
however, most of these have a "fail safe" or "default" value in the
computer which will still enable the car to run if one of those sensors
goes bad.  This is not the case with the RPM and TDC sensors...  The
ECU must get signals from them before it even considers starting the
engine.

> one more thought - there are excellent diagnostics in the Porsche manual -
> scope traces and all - look at the diagnostics section under DME and see if
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> > jiggling the rat nest of wires around the relay panel and cranking the
> > engine.  You may have a bad connection in there.
 
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