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Car Forum / Porsche / Porshe 944 / June 2007

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'87 944 n.a: removing O2 sensor from _old_ manifold

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bryan - 09 Jun 2007 23:07 GMT
i figure there is a > 75% probability that removal of an oxygen sensor
from an old (probably original) exhasut manifold - even heated up from
driving or a blowtorch - will cause any of the exhaust manifold parts
to need replacement.  is this reasonable to expect?  i.e. should i be
prepared for welding, new manifold parts, etc.?

if not, what tricks are there to preserve the manifold when removing
the oxygen sensor?

-bryan
William Noble - 10 Jun 2007 04:55 GMT
you really haven't worked on a car with quality construction before have
you - just use a properly sized wrench and unscrew it - I've never seen one
stick on a Porsche, though I'm sure it's possible - box end wrench is best
>i figure there is a > 75% probability that removal of an oxygen sensor
> from an old (probably original) exhasut manifold - even heated up from
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Magickal Childe - 11 Jun 2007 09:19 GMT
I once had the pipe out and was banging and banging with a mini-sledge to
get it off.  The male threads welded themselves to the female threads on the
manifold.  Luckily that manifold was junk to me.  I didn't try to clean the
threads with a tap because I had a used one to replace it with.

You're better trying to remove it while the manifold is still on the car,
and then use a  l o n g   pipe as a breaker bar - if necessary - it's smooth
and works.
Oh yes- soak it with penetrating oil...

> you really haven't worked on a car with quality construction before have
> you - just use a properly sized wrench and unscrew it - I've never seen
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bryan - 17 Jun 2007 16:57 GMT
thanks for the suggestions - good call w/ the penetrating oil - i put
a little on, wait 20 min, then carefully worked the sensor free - it
came loose quite readily, and no apparent damage to the manifold.  i
didn't need a breaker bar (the wrench was about 22 cm long).  have one
question at the end of my write-up :

the old sensor threads look grubby, so i was concerned about the
female threads in the manifold being damaged.  i dried the penetrating
oil from the manifold, put anti-sieze on the sensor, and applied it
finger-tight, which happened in about 2-3 turns.  it seemed to be
sitting in the threads ok, but the sensor clearly was not secured all
the way.  So i carefully worked the sensor into the threads by going
back/forth about 1/8 turn each time until, now, the washer is nearly
pinched tight between the manifold and the sensor after more than 5
turns.  each time, it would get tight, then after working it, i could
get it further in.  i noticed something like a gouge in the manifold
surface outside of where the threads are during this process, but
does'nt seem to be increasing in size as if stress cuased a split.
was probably there before.  i drove around a while and things are
stable.

if i tighten the sensor all the way down, will this increase the risk
of the manifold splitting over time?   i also figure that the best
ways to see the result of a new sensor is in MPG and emissions -
right?   idle RPM, performance seem the same as before.

-bryan
GigaNews - 18 Jun 2007 07:36 GMT
Tighten the sucker down - and dont worry.  You did a great job going in so
slowly.  It has to be sealed there -

> thanks for the suggestions - good call w/ the penetrating oil - i put
> a little on, wait 20 min, then carefully worked the sensor free - it
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