Car Forum / Porsche / Porshe 944 / June 2008
Flaky antenna preamp in '86 944?
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Patty Winter - 07 Jun 2008 23:35 GMT A few years ago, after the buttons on the stock Blaupunkt Monterey gave out, I put a new radio in my 1986 944 (a 951, actually, but I don't think that matters for this discussion). Recently, I decided to move that radio to my other car, so I got a new Blaupunkt Hamburg for the Porsche.
Ever since the original Monterey was replaced, I've had some intermittent problems that I believe are related to the antenna preamp. According to Walt's excellent 944 stereo FAQ:
"Starting with the 85/2 944, an in-glass windshield 'active' antenna system was used. Under the dash, between the glove box and the passenger side fender, there is a small preamplifier - made by Fuba. This amplifier is powered by a lead, which runs alongside the coax leading to the radio. It connects, through the wiring harness, to the 'power antenna' lead on the radio in order to get power whenever the radio is turned on."
http://www.connact.com/~kgross/FAQ/944faqst.html
Most of the time, non-local stations come in just fine on the radio. But sometimes, I can barely hear them. I can actually hear the problem coming and going; it's like someone turning a switch on and off. Sometimes it goes on or off when I go over bumpy road, but other times, that doesn't affect it. I swear that sometimes it even changes state when the car sits overnight; fine one day, not fine the next. That actually has me wondering whether the problem is electrical rather than mechanical in nature, but I'm just not sure.
When this first started happening (shortly after the installation of the Becker radio), my mechanic poked around for a couple of hours but couldn't solve the problem. I don't know exactly what he did, but he's very knowledgeable about Porsches, so I imagine that checking the connection to the preamp would have been the first thing on his list.
Should I crawl under the dashboard, look for the preamp, and try jiggling the connector myself? Is it possible that something *inside* the preamp is being intermittent?
FYI, the guys who installed the new radio used the wiring harness that was already there, so if something in the harness is flaky, that could be what's perpetuating the problem. Unfortunately, because it's intermittent, I can't just put a multimeter on it, check for good connectivity, and call the results authoritative.
Thanks for any suggestions you can offer to fix this annoying problem!
Patty
darthpup - 08 Jun 2008 12:28 GMT Signal strength from any broadcast station is non uniform over area of transmission. I experience the same with all my auto radios. AM is more prone to problems since the electric vector is vertical as opposed to FM electric vector horizontal to Earth surface. Try radio in AM for a while and see if you are not excperiencing the same problem. I know some people who have installed satellite radios which are more reliable receivers.
Patty Winter - 08 Jun 2008 17:34 GMT >Signal strength from any broadcast station is non uniform over area of >transmission. Oh yes, I'm well aware of that. :-) I'm a former broadcast engineer, and also an amateur radio operator. The variations in signal strength that I'm getting in my car are not due to changing groundwaves. Of course the stations vary in strength between day and night--partly due to ionospheric conditions, and partly to transmitter power and pattern changes. No, what I'm talking about is, as I mentioned, like a switch being turned on or off, when the distant stations suddenly become noticeably stronger or weaker. It's definitely something in the radio, not the atmosphere. ;-)
Patty
William Noble - 09 Jun 2008 07:23 GMT >A few years ago, after the buttons on the stock Blaupunkt Monterey > gave out, I put a new radio in my 1986 944 (a 951, actually, but > I don't think that matters for this discussion). Recently, I decided > to move that radio to my other car, so I got a new Blaupunkt Hamburg > for the Porsche. almost every aftermarket radio I've seen installed did NOT connect the power to the pre-amp - so the first thing I'd do is pull the radio and make sure that the power and ground to the preamp are connected correctly. The preamp sits up high on the inside firewall behind the glove box - I've never seen one fail. Bad ground or intermittant power is your most probable cause
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Patty Winter - 09 Jun 2008 16:47 GMT >almost every aftermarket radio I've seen installed did NOT connect the power >to the pre-amp - so the first thing I'd do is pull the radio and make sure >that the power and ground to the preamp are connected correctly. The preamp >sits up high on the inside firewall behind the glove box - I've never seen >one fail. Bad ground or intermittant power is your most probable cause William, may I clarify something? If the pre-amp hadn't been connected to the radio at all, wouldn't the distant stations be weak all the time? That is, the power would be missing entirely, not intermittent, right?
That's a good idea about the bad ground, too.
Can I get at the pre-amp without taking the dashboard apart?
Patty
William Noble - 10 Jun 2008 04:33 GMT 1. just because someting "was" connected doesn't mean it was done right - so first thing is to be sure power is connected CORRECTLY to the preamp - most new radios have a wire to actuate an antenna raising motor or to turn on a power amp - this is what I ususually connect to
2. you don't need to take dash apart, just remove glove box liner - the antenna amp is mounted where you can't get to it with the liner in place.
note - could also be corrosion in the external connection to the antenna amp where the windshield wire goes through firewall
>>almost every aftermarket radio I've seen installed did NOT connect the >>power [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Patty ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Jack D. Russell, Sr. - 10 Jun 2008 11:25 GMT > 1. just because someting "was" connected doesn't mean it was > done right - so first thing is to be sure power is connected [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > note - could also be corrosion in the external connection to the > antenna amp where the windshield wire goes through firewall ...and note that the +(hot) wire to the preamp is a small diameter black wire. *Not* red as one might expect on domestic cars.
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Patty Winter - 10 Jun 2008 16:39 GMT >1. just because someting "was" connected doesn't mean it was done right - so >first thing is to be sure power is connected CORRECTLY to the preamp - Good point.
>most >new radios have a wire to actuate an antenna raising motor or to turn on a >power amp - this is what I ususually connect to Yes, the radio has such a connection.
>note - could also be corrosion in the external connection to the antenna amp >where the windshield wire goes through firewall Ah, interesting theory. It also occurred to me that the wire might have gotten crimped at some point and is partly broken.
In article <Xns9AB9414DBB17Ejackruell2@85.214.90.236>, Jack D. Russell, Sr. <jackru$$ell2@notmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>...and note that the +(hot) wire to the preamp is a small diameter >black wire. *Not* red as one might expect on domestic cars. That's good to know, Jack, thank you.
Patty
William Noble - 11 Jun 2008 03:27 GMT >>...and note that the +(hot) wire to the preamp is a small diameter >>black wire. *Not* red as one might expect on domestic cars. > > That's good to know, Jack, thank you. > > Patty this reminds me - since we haven't seen you around the NG inthe past years - do you have the service manual for the car? the Porsche one - it used to be out there on the net but it isn't any more that I can find - it will be very helpful to you, and the schematic will tell you things like the wire color - I kinda assumed you had one, but if you don't, you need to try and find such a manual. I personally got the manual when I bought my 944 new, but most current new owners don't get that choice...
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Patty Winter - 11 Jun 2008 17:41 GMT >this reminds me - since we haven't seen you around the NG inthe past years - >do you have the service manual for the car? Nope, I've never had a service manual, unfortunately. Otherwise, yeah, I would have dug into it looking for information about the preamp.
Patty
Jack D. Russell, Sr. - 12 Jun 2008 09:34 GMT >>this reminds me - since we haven't seen you around the NG inthe >>past years - do you have the service manual for the car? > > Nope, I've never had a service manual, unfortunately. Otherwise, > yeah, I would have dug into it looking for information about the > preamp. http://pdftown.com/PDF-Porsche-944-Workshop-Manual.html
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Patty Winter - 12 Jun 2008 19:16 GMT >http://pdftown.com/PDF-Porsche-944-Workshop-Manual.html Hey, cool! Sort of...
I got Volume 1 okay, but when I tried to skip ahead to Volume 4 (the one that should have the radio electrical info in it), I had trouble. I can't enter the captcha code properly. All of the letters and numbers have cats on them, but it won't let me enter that many characters. Even more frustrating, every time I fail, there's a 2.5-min. timeout before I can try again. Any ideas?
(And yes, I had waited much longer than the mandatory one hour between free downloads.)
Patty
Jack D. Russell, Sr. - 13 Jun 2008 12:42 GMT >>http://pdftown.com/PDF-Porsche-944-Workshop-Manual.html > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > (And yes, I had waited much longer than the mandatory > one hour between free downloads.) Sorry, can't help much. I've never used that site. Saw it mentioned in the Rennlist 944 e-mail list and thought it timely given this current thread, so I posted it here. The site we all used to use to access the manuals no longer works. My advice...keep trying. It must work in some fashion since it let you get 1 volume. Failing that...Google may turn up another source. Good luck.
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Patty Winter - 13 Jun 2008 20:18 GMT >> I can't enter the captcha >> code properly. > >My advice...keep trying. It must work in some fashion since it let >you get 1 volume. Thanks, Jack, it finally worked. I got the captcha to work by only entering the last four characters. And then later in the evening, I got a page saying that it was "happy hours" and no access code was needed, so I was able to download the remaining volumes without one.
Hmmm, now I can browse through and look for things to play with on the Porsche. ;-)
Patty
William Noble - 14 Jun 2008 05:31 GMT > Hmmm, now I can browse through and look for things to play with > on the Porsche. ;-) > > Patty now that you have it, you can review the belt change procedures and look at the schematics and all sorts of cool stuff - you will find it very helpful. Note the 20 degree angle tool used when you work on brakes, for example - most folks don't know about that and mess it up
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Jack D. Russell, Sr. - 14 Jun 2008 12:40 GMT >>> I can't enter the captcha code properly. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Hmmm, now I can browse through and look for things to play with > on the Porsche. ;-) Glad it worked out for you. Those manuals plus the online PET should keep your bank account emptied out quite nicely. ;) Good luck.
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