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Car Forum / Porsche / Porshe 944 / October 2008

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944 pressure leak

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jpinkston@sbcglobal.net - 23 Oct 2008 02:31 GMT
I have a 1987 944 NA with 160K miles on it. Compression ranges from
135 PSI to 150 PSI. Oil has been changed within 400 miles (3,000
intervals). It has not been losing oil or coolant. While cruising at
70 mph the heater hose let go. I don't believe that the hose was the
cause of my problem but a symptom.

After replacing the hose, the car is hard starting and the pressure in
the coolant overflow tank causes the tank top to release significant
pressure as if the car is overheated but the car has not actually
started. There are no visible oil or coolant leaks, no sign of oil in
the coolant or coolant in the oil.

I am at a loss as to where to look next. Is it a crack in the head
allowing compression to backflow into cooling system? What else????

Any ideas will be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
John Pinkston
Dallas, TX
darthpup - 28 Oct 2008 15:36 GMT
Have you at any time in the past put tap water into the coolant?
Bill Noble - 29 Oct 2008 05:33 GMT
>I have a 1987 944 NA with 160K miles on it. Compression ranges from
> 135 PSI to 150 PSI. Oil has been changed within 400 miles (3,000
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> John Pinkston
> Dallas, TX

the suggestion RE water could be a good one - and it could be a head
gasket - your car should be good for over 300K miles no problems - the
variation in compression is a bit suspicious

try this - take an old spark plug and modify it so that you can attach an
air pump to it and pressurize one cylinder at a time - just weld an adapter,
or alternatively, take your compression tester apart so you can use it to
pressurize a cylinder.

remove radiator cap.  one at a time, pressurize the cylinder to whatever max
air pressure you have (my pump goes to 160 PSI) - look for bubbles in the
coolant tank.   My guess is that if it is a crack in the head or block you
will see bubbles with one cylinder only, if it is a head gasket you will see
with two.

in either case, mark the ones causing bubbles and then pull the head and
look to see what happened.
Alec - 29 Oct 2008 13:46 GMT
It will probably turn out to be the head gasket, but there is an oil cooler
which is cooled by the engine coolant(antifreeze). I am told that there were
problems with leaks between the two systems. As the oil pressure is higher
than the coolant pressure oil gets into the water system and raises the
pressure above normal. Check for signs of oil in the water.

Alec

>I have a 1987 944 NA with 160K miles on it. Compression ranges from
> 135 PSI to 150 PSI. Oil has been changed within 400 miles (3,000
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> John Pinkston
> Dallas, TX
Bill Noble - 30 Oct 2008 04:55 GMT
what Alec describes happens - it happened to me on an 85 NA - but, and this
is important, it won't cause the symptoms the OP described - when this
happens, oil seeps into the coolant, the coolant turns a chocolate color - I
drove the car with this leak for 100,000 miles before fixing it - it never
overheated, never overflowed the coolant - it was a very slow leak.  If it
is a fast leak you will see a distinct loss of oil.  if the coolant looks
normal and the oil looks normal it is NOT this leak.

by the way, this leak is causes (or was caused in my case) by overheating
the engine - I blew a radiator hose 10 miles west of Las Vegas, and limped
into town by coasting until I was going slow and then running the engine for
15 to 20 seconds to come back up to speed.

> It will probably turn out to be the head gasket, but there is an oil
> cooler
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>
> Alec
 
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