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Devils944S2 - 11 Nov 2005 05:24 GMT
Just got a new job that requires a commute and my 5 speed S2 was just not
the type of car for that task. It is with her new owner in Portland,
Oregon....

...I am the proud owner of a 325is BMW now. Let me state for the
record...sorry BMW guys, but, the BMW is definitely a quality step down from
a Porsche.
Jetson - 11 Nov 2005 17:41 GMT
Good luck with the new job!
Thanks for all the good insight with these fine cars!
You'll be back some day.
> Just got a new job that requires a commute and my 5 speed S2 was just not
> the type of car for that task. It is with her new owner in Portland,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> record...sorry BMW guys, but, the BMW is definitely a quality step down from
> a Porsche.
Devils944S2 - 12 Nov 2005 05:58 GMT
Thanks, and you can bet on it. The BMW is comfy and has all of the right
amenities for a morning commute, but the fun factor is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
down there from the S2.

> Good luck with the new job!
> Thanks for all the good insight with these fine cars!
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> from
>> a Porsche.
Devils944S2 - 13 Nov 2005 06:39 GMT
For those of you that are interested...I have been chosen to develop
training programs for a major manufacturer located up here in Seattle. My
programs will encompass both the U.S. and Canada.

> Good luck with the new job!
> Thanks for all the good insight with these fine cars!
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> from
>> a Porsche.
robrjt - 13 Nov 2005 17:13 GMT
Congrats!  So you are going to teach your co workers how to count the
correct change in both currencies when they pimp out your sisters?
Devils944S2 - 13 Nov 2005 17:35 GMT
Thank you for your originality. Please let me know the next time you want me
to think for you again.

> Congrats!  So you are going to teach your co workers how to count the
> correct change in both currencies when they pimp out your sisters?
robrjt - 12 Nov 2005 21:06 GMT
needed a 4 dr for pizza delivery?
Devils944S2 - 13 Nov 2005 04:40 GMT
No, needed a 4 door to pimp out your mother and wife. they turn an average
of 2 extra tricks a night when they can get out of the doors directly.

> needed a 4 dr for pizza delivery?
ie - 14 Nov 2005 02:27 GMT
I don't know about the fun factor discrepancy...I think I'll politely
disagree.

We have an '87 924S and a 2002 325i wagon and my husband and I play "rock
paper scissors" for who gets to drive when we go out but we have a hard time
choosing which one we want to drive. Yes, they are different rides but both
are VERY fun. Of course we then have to decide who's the designated
driver--that can create a little cognitive dissonance--he who gets to imbibe
doesn't get to drive home.

ie
Austin

PS...they're both standards, of course.

> No, needed a 4 door to pimp out your mother and wife. they turn an average
> of 2 extra tricks a night when they can get out of the doors directly.
>
>> needed a 4 dr for pizza delivery?
Devils944S2 - 14 Nov 2005 02:45 GMT
Well...let me give some details and maybe you can see my point.

The S2 was a Cabriolet. The BMW is a sedan.

The S2 had 211HP and 209lb/ft of torque. The BMW has 190HP.

The S2 was a 5 speed and the BMW is an automatic.

Don't get me wrong, I love the new car, but, it is much more "tame" than the
S2. I had to drive the S2, the BMW glides along with very little input from
me. I would agree that they are different types of fun, but I love a pure
raw sports car over the sports sedan. What it came down to was a 35 mile
commute in Seattle traffic.

>I don't know about the fun factor discrepancy...I think I'll politely
>disagree.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>>
>>> needed a 4 dr for pizza delivery?
Chicago Paddling-Fishing - 14 Nov 2005 06:51 GMT
In alt.autos.porsche Devils944S2 <devils944@nospam.net> wrote:
: Just got a new job that requires a commute and my 5 speed S2 was just not
: the type of car for that task. It is with her new owner in Portland,
: Oregon....

: ...I am the proud owner of a 325is BMW now. Let me state for the
: record...sorry BMW guys, but, the BMW is definitely a quality step down from
: a Porsche.

I put 19k miles on my 944 in 2002 and 15k on most years commuting... and thats
here in Chicago... where it snows... when they forcast snow I usually drive
my van, but a day or 2 after that, i'm back in the 944 because once the roads
are plowed, it's not bad... first year I drove the 944 in all weather and
discovered it did't make a good plow....

It makes a fun commuter car... but you have to maintain it... (mines in right
now for t-belt adjust and oil change).

Not bad mileage either for mixed city/highway commute...
http://pages.ripco.net/~jwn/tmp/mpg-line.gif

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Devils944S2 - 15 Nov 2005 04:46 GMT
John, we are talking about an S2 Cab vs. a regular 944. There is a world of
difference between the two. I have no doubt the S2 would have done great in
the commute, but, day in and day out of Seattle traffic (which ranked in the
top 5 of worst places to commute, ahead of Chicago and NY) would have taken
it's toll on me. Also on the upside, I usually had to take my son out in my
wife's Explorer, now he can ride with me.

> In alt.autos.porsche Devils944S2 <devils944@nospam.net> wrote:
> : Just got a new job that requires a commute and my 5 speed S2 was just
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Not bad mileage either for mixed city/highway commute...
> http://pages.ripco.net/~jwn/tmp/mpg-line.gif
Chicago Paddling-Fishing - 15 Nov 2005 08:47 GMT
In alt.autos.porsche Devils944S2 <devils944@nospam.net> wrote:
: John, we are talking about an S2 Cab vs. a regular 944. There is a world of
: difference between the two. I have no doubt the S2 would have done great in
: the commute, but, day in and day out of Seattle traffic (which ranked in the
: top 5 of worst places to commute, ahead of Chicago and NY) would have taken
: it's toll on me. Also on the upside, I usually had to take my son out in my
: wife's Explorer, now he can ride with me.

I dunno... according to the below article... my commute on the Ike is #2
http://motortrend.com/features/news/112_news050215_aaahotspots/index1.html
The best Seattle has to offer is #9... and you don't get snow...  we have
porta-potties on some of the highways so folks can get out and go when they
are stuck in traffic... There have been years where folks run out of gas
the delays are so long when we get 11 or 12 inches of snow... I think it was
December, 2000 we got 31 inches of snow in a 15 day timeperiod... (that was
when I remmeber the guy in front of me flagging me to go around because he
ran out of gas). That was the longest I couldn't drive it because the ruts
were too deep... the spoiler was constantly in the snow...

http://money.cnn.com/2003/10/01/pf/traffic_worse/ says Chicago is #6 and
Seattle isn't on the top 10 list...

AAA motor club says http://www.aaanewsroom.net/Articles.asp?ArticleID=353&SectionID=&CategoryID=7&Se
ctionID=3
& says Chicago's Ike #2 in the U.S. ... Seattle #9

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ie - 15 Nov 2005 11:19 GMT
yeah...all the rest aside, an automatic vs a standard...no wonder

> In alt.autos.porsche Devils944S2 <devils944@nospam.net> wrote:
> : John, we are talking about an S2 Cab vs. a regular 944. There is a world
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> http://www.aaanewsroom.net/Articles.asp?ArticleID=353&SectionID=&CategoryID=7&Se
ctionID=3
&
> says Chicago's Ike #2 in the U.S. ... Seattle #9
Floyd Rogers - 15 Nov 2005 14:24 GMT
> In alt.autos.porsche Devils944S2 <devils944@nospam.net> wrote:
> I dunno... according to the below article... my commute on the Ike is #2
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> http://www.aaanewsroom.net/Articles.asp?ArticleID=353&SectionID=&CategoryID=7&Se
ctionID=3
&
> says Chicago's Ike #2 in the U.S. ... Seattle #9

Although those are nice,  the most authoritative study is the one done by
Texas A&M, which has shown Seattle in the top 5 for many years:
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TRAVEL/NEWS/06/20/traffic.jam/

Interesting how cnn has competing articles!

FloydR
Chicago Paddling-Fishing - 15 Nov 2005 19:25 GMT
In alt.autos.porsche Floyd Rogers <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote:
:> In alt.autos.porsche Devils944S2 <devils944@nospam.net> wrote:
:> I dunno... according to the below article... my commute on the Ike is #2
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
:> http://www.aaanewsroom.net/Articles.asp?ArticleID=353&SectionID=&CategoryID=7&Se
ctionID=3
&
:> says Chicago's Ike #2 in the U.S. ... Seattle #9

: Although those are nice,  the most authoritative study is the one done by
: Texas A&M, which has shown Seattle in the top 5 for many years:
: http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TRAVEL/NEWS/06/20/traffic.jam/

: Interesting how cnn has competing articles!

The years are different... the story your quoting is older...

The AAA article I quoted is 2005... not from 3 years ago...

"AAA Cites Some Of Nations Worst Commuter Hot Spots

Washington, D.C. - 2/14/2005 "

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Floyd Rogers - 15 Nov 2005 23:18 GMT
> : Although those are nice,  the most authoritative study is the one done
> by
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> "AAA Cites Some Of Nations Worst Commuter Hot Spots

Different methodology.  If you can find 5 years of AAA or other articles,
fine.  You *CAN* find 5 years of the A&M articles, and Seattle
is consistentently in the top 10.  Things just don't go from 4th
to off the top-10 in one year.

FloydR
The Dead Senator - 16 Nov 2005 07:15 GMT
>> : Although those are nice,  the most authoritative study is the one
>> done by
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> FloydR

Traffic truly sucks here.  No joke.  You can monitor it here:

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/traffic/seattle/

Take 405 north to Bellevue in morning rush hour and you'll know
commuting hell.  ~Even~ in the carpool lane.  And whoever built most of
our interchanges was a sadist.  That bastard.

--

Devs,
    Saddened that you've left the Porsche ranks, I'll suspect you'll hang
around for the addiction.  I'll also wager that your not done with these
cars, either.  I love driving the Porker to work everyday, but I can
shift my hours to circumvent much of the stop-n-go.   If I can hit a
hunnerd, it's a great day.  She's dirty as hell right now from the rain
and needs a serious bath.
    I eyeball some of those Bimmers myself, but the carhole only has so
much room.  The motorbikes gotta stay warm, too.

DS
Chicago Paddling-Fishing - 16 Nov 2005 08:09 GMT
In alt.autos.porsche The Dead Senator <deadsenator@hotmail.com> wrote:

:>> : Although those are nice,  the most authoritative study is the one
:>> done by
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
:>
:> FloydR

: Traffic truly sucks here.  No joke.  You can monitor it here:

: http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/traffic/seattle/

: Take 405 north to Bellevue in morning rush hour and you'll know
: commuting hell.  ~Even~ in the carpool lane.  And whoever built most of
: our interchanges was a sadist.  That bastard.

You have enough lanes for carpool lanes?  The Dan Ryan expressway is 14
lanes wide... and I've been on it where the traffic was stopped for so
long that kids were playing frisbee... true story... (it has portapottys
on the shoulder at places so you can "go" when your stuck in traffic).

We are on that RFG gas... one of the side effects they say are that it dries
out the rubber in fuel lines and causes them to crack or swell... leaks...
Car-B-Ques are a huge pain during rushhour...  I see you are on something
called 7.8RVP.. not sure if that causes similar issues...

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Devils944S2 - 17 Nov 2005 06:22 GMT
Hey Dead...it's too bad you never got to drive the S2. Quite an impressive
automobile. The new owner just loves it. I finally get to stay home and
would be able to meet up with you, but the price of staying home was the
car...
My commute is right in the teeth of that 405 traffic you mentioned. My job
is in Woodinville. Sure glad I got rid of that house 10 minutes away in
Snohomish...
Monday mornings take me a little over 2 hours to get there. The ride home is
much better...slow but moving. I am searching for a carpool now to at least
get use of the carpool lane for where it does move. Right now we are looking
at Issaquah and Redmond for houses. There are some reasonable properties
left up there...if not Bothell or Mill Creek may be our destination in a
year or so.

>>> : Although those are nice,  the most authoritative study is the one done
>>> by
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
> DS
Chicago Paddling-Fishing - 16 Nov 2005 07:27 GMT
In alt.autos.porsche Floyd Rogers <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote:
:> : Although those are nice,  the most authoritative study is the one done
:> by
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
:>
:> "AAA Cites Some Of Nations Worst Commuter Hot Spots

: Different methodology.  If you can find 5 years of AAA or other articles,
: fine.  You *CAN* find 5 years of the A&M articles, and Seattle
: is consistentently in the top 10.  Things just don't go from 4th
: to off the top-10 in one year.

Can *YOU* show me a 2005 article that says the Seattle metropolitan area with
a population of 3.8 million has as much traffic as Chicago areas 9.2 million?

Just within the city limits of Chicago is 1% of the entire U.S. population,
Seattle has less than 600k people...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago
Population Density  4923/km
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle
Population Density  2638/km

Nearly double the density and unfortunately... everyone has a car :-(

And... it's supposed to snow tonite... (it was still freezing rain as I
drove my 944 home)
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Floyd Rogers - 16 Nov 2005 15:36 GMT
> In alt.autos.porsche Floyd Rogers <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Can *YOU* show me a 2005 article that says the Seattle metropolitan area
> with
> a population of 3.8 million has as much traffic as Chicago areas 9.2
> million?

See, that's one thing wrong with your believing those articles.  I *CANNOT*
show you a 2005 study, because, guess what, 2005 isn't over, and
peer-reviewed
scientifically-valid studies (like the Texas A&M one) aren't cherry-picked
over a portion of a year, a particular area, etc., and take a year or more
to be prepared and peer-reviewed.

I have driven in Chicago, and agree that it's traffic is nasty.  At least
some
of the people are, too, IME.  But we have nasty traffic and people, too.
A higher percentage on the roads, possibly, as we have *proportionally*
less mass transit, so the yahoos with junkers and a bad attitude are on
the roads rather than on the L.

FloydR
Chicago Paddling-Fishing - 18 Nov 2005 23:16 GMT
In alt.autos.porsche Floyd Rogers <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote:
:> In alt.autos.porsche Floyd Rogers <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote:

:> Can *YOU* show me a 2005 article that says the Seattle metropolitan area
:> with
:> a population of 3.8 million has as much traffic as Chicago areas 9.2
:> million?

: See, that's one thing wrong with your believing those articles.  I *CANNOT*
: show you a 2005 study, because, guess what, 2005 isn't over, and
: peer-reviewed
: scientifically-valid studies (like the Texas A&M one) aren't cherry-picked
: over a portion of a year, a particular area, etc., and take a year or more
: to be prepared and peer-reviewed.

Well.. the point is... your article published in 2002 is based on 2001 or
earlier data... the articles from 2005 are published with earlier data too,
but later than what you've quoted... so your question of how can CNN have
2 different stories on their website... it's easy... just look at the years
that are embedded in the URLs or at the top of the stories... you knew your
data was older from the start, yet you posted it to counter newer data.  

: I have driven in Chicago, and agree that it's traffic is nasty.  At least
: some
: of the people are, too, IME.  But we have nasty traffic and people, too.
: A higher percentage on the roads, possibly, as we have *proportionally*
: less mass transit, so the yahoos with junkers and a bad attitude are on
: the roads rather than on the L.

Eh... I don't buy it... a town (yes a town) of 600k can't compete with the
traffic woes of cities like New York, Los Angeles or Chicago...  sure we have
the L, but the traffic pattern isn't like it used to be with everyone working
in the loop... the burb roads are as bad as the Kennedy now, except the
Kennedy is still as bad as ever...

But... it's quite easy to drive a stick shift car daily in those environments,
even in the snowy envirnments of New York or Chicago...

So... are there more comfortable cars out there to commute in... sure, but
don't blame it on the commute, just admit your a wuss that went for comfort ;-)

It's ok... but accept responsibility instead of blaming the car or the city...

;-)

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Devils944S2 - 20 Nov 2005 05:21 GMT
<don't blame it on the commute, just admit your a wuss that went for comfort
;-)>

OK John you caught me...I gave up a car that I coveted for 10 years,
traveled 2500 miles to buy, loved as much as life itself, just to buy a mass
produced German sedan to be comfortable in...

> In alt.autos.porsche Floyd Rogers <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote:
> :> In alt.autos.porsche Floyd Rogers <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
>
> ;-)
Chicago Paddling-Fishing - 20 Nov 2005 08:06 GMT
In alt.autos.porsche Devils944S2 <devils944@nospam.net> wrote:
: <don't blame it on the commute, just admit your a wuss that went for comfort
: ;-)>

: OK John you caught me...I gave up a car that I coveted for 10 years,
: traveled 2500 miles to buy, loved as much as life itself, just to buy a mass
: produced German sedan to be comfortable in...

You know... we bought a ford focus for my daughter to drive and my wife and
i were using it to go someplace the other day and my wife said to me "Why
don't you trade in your car for a real car like this?".  

It's easy to be seduced by comfort... but I don't think a focus can take
the ramp between i-294 and i-290 at 60mph (dry days only)... although the
focus has done respectably in the world ralley championship...

Enjoy your beamer... :-)
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The Dead Senator - 20 Nov 2005 08:49 GMT
> focus has done respectably in the world ralley championship...
>
> Enjoy your beamer... :-)

Ummm...okay, I'll say it: that's Bimmer.  Beamers are the cycles.
Devils944S2 - 20 Nov 2005 18:07 GMT
OK I will throw a wrench in the works...I was brought up in upstate NY,
where Bimmers were people that worked at IBM.

>> focus has done respectably in the world ralley championship...
>>
>> Enjoy your beamer... :-)
>
> Ummm...okay, I'll say it: that's Bimmer.  Beamers are the cycles.
someone@somewhere.net - 21 Nov 2005 03:32 GMT
Haven't followed the whole thread but the essence is correct:

You have wussed out.

Just put in 5w30 and put the snow tires on my '44. It's good for all
conditions.

Did you consider keeping the P-car and commuting in an older Suzuki
Swift? :p

> OK I will throw a wrench in the works...I was brought up in upstate NY,
> where Bimmers were people that worked at IBM.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>
>>Ummm...okay, I'll say it: that's Bimmer.  Beamers are the cycles.
Devils944S2 - 21 Nov 2005 06:34 GMT
<You have wussed out. Just put in 5w30 and put the snow tires on my '44.
It's good for all conditions.>

<Did you consider keeping the P-car and commuting in an older Suzuki
Swift? :p>

I guess that's what you get for not reading the whole thread...Is your 944
an S2 Cabriolet? Does it have the heavy duty clutch like mine had? If I had
my old 1984 N/A maybe, but, my 40 mile, 2.5 hour commute was painful in the
S2. If you do the average, you will see I crawl to work at around 15MPH.
Yes, of course I thought of getting a commuter car...which of course I would
have to insure (Washington is friggin expensive) at the same liability
levels as my 944 and Explorer, so now I could eat a nice $1600 every 6
months insurance bill. Actually, me and the Mrs. are looking north to
Issaquah and Redmond for a place, then maybe down the road I can get another
cab.

> Haven't followed the whole thread but the essence is correct:
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>>>
>>>Ummm...okay, I'll say it: that's Bimmer.  Beamers are the cycles.
william_b_noble - 21 Nov 2005 05:42 GMT
would that be Owego?

> OK I will throw a wrench in the works...I was brought up in upstate NY,
> where Bimmers were people that worked at IBM.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>
>> Ummm...okay, I'll say it: that's Bimmer.  Beamers are the cycles.
Chicago Paddling-Fishing - 21 Nov 2005 07:57 GMT
In alt.autos.porsche The Dead Senator <deadsenator@hotmail.com> wrote:

:> focus has done respectably in the world ralley championship...
:>
:> Enjoy your beamer... :-)

: Ummm...okay, I'll say it: that's Bimmer.  Beamers are the cycles.

I had to go look it up... it appears Beemer can be used for both, but Bimmer
is for cars only... why?  I have no idea... anyway, I mispelled it either way.

http://www.boston-bmwcca.org/reference/Bimmer-Beemer.aspx  says;
"... A Very Highly Placed BMW Spokesperson sent me the following (reproduced
    here with permission).

   While I can't point to any official document that supports this, my
   understanding of the origins are as follows.

   The term Beemer was first used with motorcycles. Back when British bikes
   dominated the market and BSA was a well-known marque, riders referred to
   them as Beezers -- a way to say the letters BSA as if it were a word.

   BMW riders said Beemer as a way of saying BMW as a word. This was long
   before the popularity of BMW cars, so whenever the term Beemer was spoken,
   it referred to the motorcycle. In theory, one could apply Beemer to either
   cars or bikes since it is only a reference to the name BMW. In fact some
   folks do call BMW cars Beemers.

   When the cars became popular, many people referred to them as Bimmers as
   well as Beemers. I don't know why this was adopted instead of simply using
   the existing Beemers.

   But generally speaking, one calls the bikes Beemers and the cars Bimmers.
   While it would be ok to refer to a car as a Beemer, it doesn't seem
   appropriate to refer to a bike as a Bimmer. ..."

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E Brown - 23 Nov 2005 20:15 GMT
>In alt.autos.porsche The Dead Senator <deadsenator@hotmail.com> wrote:
>:>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>I had to go look it up... it appears Beemer can be used for both, but Bimmer
>is for cars only... why?  I have no idea... anyway, I mispelled it either way.

    This is like the Porsche one-syllable/two syllable pronunciation
thing - I never bother correcting people since I know what they mean,
but I'll explain the difference if it comes up (usually if I've got a
copy of "Bimmer" magazine on my desk or coffee table).
    epbrown
--
2003 BMW 325i Black/Black
2003 BMW Z4 Black/Black
Mike - 18 Nov 2005 21:13 GMT
Congratulations on the new job and the new commuter car!  The 944S2 is a
great drivers car and the BMW also has good qualities.

Mike

> Just got a new job that requires a commute and my 5 speed S2 was just not
> the type of car for that task. It is with her new owner in Portland,
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> record...sorry BMW guys, but, the BMW is definitely a quality step down
> from a Porsche.
 
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