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Gents...I am out. Gone to the darkside.
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Devils944S2 - 11 Nov 2005 05:24 GMT Just got a new job that requires a commute and my 5 speed S2 was just not the type of car for that task. It is with her new owner in Portland, Oregon....
...I am the proud owner of a 325is BMW now. Let me state for the record...sorry BMW guys, but, the BMW is definitely a quality step down from a Porsche.
Jetson - 11 Nov 2005 17:41 GMT Good luck with the new job! Thanks for all the good insight with these fine cars! You'll be back some day.
> Just got a new job that requires a commute and my 5 speed S2 was just not > the type of car for that task. It is with her new owner in Portland, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > record...sorry BMW guys, but, the BMW is definitely a quality step down from > a Porsche. Devils944S2 - 12 Nov 2005 05:58 GMT Thanks, and you can bet on it. The BMW is comfy and has all of the right amenities for a morning commute, but the fun factor is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down there from the S2.
> Good luck with the new job! > Thanks for all the good insight with these fine cars! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > from >> a Porsche. Devils944S2 - 13 Nov 2005 06:39 GMT For those of you that are interested...I have been chosen to develop training programs for a major manufacturer located up here in Seattle. My programs will encompass both the U.S. and Canada.
> Good luck with the new job! > Thanks for all the good insight with these fine cars! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > from >> a Porsche. robrjt - 13 Nov 2005 17:13 GMT Congrats! So you are going to teach your co workers how to count the correct change in both currencies when they pimp out your sisters?
Devils944S2 - 13 Nov 2005 17:35 GMT Thank you for your originality. Please let me know the next time you want me to think for you again.
> Congrats! So you are going to teach your co workers how to count the > correct change in both currencies when they pimp out your sisters? robrjt - 12 Nov 2005 21:06 GMT needed a 4 dr for pizza delivery?
Devils944S2 - 13 Nov 2005 04:40 GMT No, needed a 4 door to pimp out your mother and wife. they turn an average of 2 extra tricks a night when they can get out of the doors directly.
> needed a 4 dr for pizza delivery? ie - 14 Nov 2005 02:27 GMT I don't know about the fun factor discrepancy...I think I'll politely disagree.
We have an '87 924S and a 2002 325i wagon and my husband and I play "rock paper scissors" for who gets to drive when we go out but we have a hard time choosing which one we want to drive. Yes, they are different rides but both are VERY fun. Of course we then have to decide who's the designated driver--that can create a little cognitive dissonance--he who gets to imbibe doesn't get to drive home.
ie Austin
PS...they're both standards, of course.
> No, needed a 4 door to pimp out your mother and wife. they turn an average > of 2 extra tricks a night when they can get out of the doors directly. > >> needed a 4 dr for pizza delivery? Devils944S2 - 14 Nov 2005 02:45 GMT Well...let me give some details and maybe you can see my point.
The S2 was a Cabriolet. The BMW is a sedan.
The S2 had 211HP and 209lb/ft of torque. The BMW has 190HP.
The S2 was a 5 speed and the BMW is an automatic.
Don't get me wrong, I love the new car, but, it is much more "tame" than the S2. I had to drive the S2, the BMW glides along with very little input from me. I would agree that they are different types of fun, but I love a pure raw sports car over the sports sedan. What it came down to was a 35 mile commute in Seattle traffic.
>I don't know about the fun factor discrepancy...I think I'll politely >disagree. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >>> needed a 4 dr for pizza delivery? Chicago Paddling-Fishing - 14 Nov 2005 06:51 GMT In alt.autos.porsche Devils944S2 <devils944@nospam.net> wrote:
: Just got a new job that requires a commute and my 5 speed S2 was just not : the type of car for that task. It is with her new owner in Portland, : Oregon....
: ...I am the proud owner of a 325is BMW now. Let me state for the : record...sorry BMW guys, but, the BMW is definitely a quality step down from : a Porsche. I put 19k miles on my 944 in 2002 and 15k on most years commuting... and thats here in Chicago... where it snows... when they forcast snow I usually drive my van, but a day or 2 after that, i'm back in the 944 because once the roads are plowed, it's not bad... first year I drove the 944 in all weather and discovered it did't make a good plow....
It makes a fun commuter car... but you have to maintain it... (mines in right now for t-belt adjust and oil change).
Not bad mileage either for mixed city/highway commute... http://pages.ripco.net/~jwn/tmp/mpg-line.gif
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Devils944S2 - 15 Nov 2005 04:46 GMT John, we are talking about an S2 Cab vs. a regular 944. There is a world of difference between the two. I have no doubt the S2 would have done great in the commute, but, day in and day out of Seattle traffic (which ranked in the top 5 of worst places to commute, ahead of Chicago and NY) would have taken it's toll on me. Also on the upside, I usually had to take my son out in my wife's Explorer, now he can ride with me.
> In alt.autos.porsche Devils944S2 <devils944@nospam.net> wrote: > : Just got a new job that requires a commute and my 5 speed S2 was just [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Not bad mileage either for mixed city/highway commute... > http://pages.ripco.net/~jwn/tmp/mpg-line.gif Chicago Paddling-Fishing - 15 Nov 2005 08:47 GMT In alt.autos.porsche Devils944S2 <devils944@nospam.net> wrote:
: John, we are talking about an S2 Cab vs. a regular 944. There is a world of : difference between the two. I have no doubt the S2 would have done great in : the commute, but, day in and day out of Seattle traffic (which ranked in the : top 5 of worst places to commute, ahead of Chicago and NY) would have taken : it's toll on me. Also on the upside, I usually had to take my son out in my : wife's Explorer, now he can ride with me. I dunno... according to the below article... my commute on the Ike is #2 http://motortrend.com/features/news/112_news050215_aaahotspots/index1.html The best Seattle has to offer is #9... and you don't get snow... we have porta-potties on some of the highways so folks can get out and go when they are stuck in traffic... There have been years where folks run out of gas the delays are so long when we get 11 or 12 inches of snow... I think it was December, 2000 we got 31 inches of snow in a 15 day timeperiod... (that was when I remmeber the guy in front of me flagging me to go around because he ran out of gas). That was the longest I couldn't drive it because the ruts were too deep... the spoiler was constantly in the snow...
http://money.cnn.com/2003/10/01/pf/traffic_worse/ says Chicago is #6 and Seattle isn't on the top 10 list...
AAA motor club says http://www.aaanewsroom.net/Articles.asp?ArticleID=353&SectionID=&CategoryID=7&Se ctionID=3& says Chicago's Ike #2 in the U.S. ... Seattle #9
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ie - 15 Nov 2005 11:19 GMT yeah...all the rest aside, an automatic vs a standard...no wonder
> In alt.autos.porsche Devils944S2 <devils944@nospam.net> wrote: > : John, we are talking about an S2 Cab vs. a regular 944. There is a world [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > http://www.aaanewsroom.net/Articles.asp?ArticleID=353&SectionID=&CategoryID=7&Se ctionID=3& > says Chicago's Ike #2 in the U.S. ... Seattle #9 Floyd Rogers - 15 Nov 2005 14:24 GMT > In alt.autos.porsche Devils944S2 <devils944@nospam.net> wrote: > I dunno... according to the below article... my commute on the Ike is #2 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > http://www.aaanewsroom.net/Articles.asp?ArticleID=353&SectionID=&CategoryID=7&Se ctionID=3& > says Chicago's Ike #2 in the U.S. ... Seattle #9 Although those are nice, the most authoritative study is the one done by Texas A&M, which has shown Seattle in the top 5 for many years: http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TRAVEL/NEWS/06/20/traffic.jam/
Interesting how cnn has competing articles!
FloydR
Chicago Paddling-Fishing - 15 Nov 2005 19:25 GMT In alt.autos.porsche Floyd Rogers <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote:
:> In alt.autos.porsche Devils944S2 <devils944@nospam.net> wrote: :> I dunno... according to the below article... my commute on the Ike is #2 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] :> http://www.aaanewsroom.net/Articles.asp?ArticleID=353&SectionID=&CategoryID=7&Se ctionID=3& :> says Chicago's Ike #2 in the U.S. ... Seattle #9
: Although those are nice, the most authoritative study is the one done by : Texas A&M, which has shown Seattle in the top 5 for many years: : http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TRAVEL/NEWS/06/20/traffic.jam/
: Interesting how cnn has competing articles! The years are different... the story your quoting is older...
The AAA article I quoted is 2005... not from 3 years ago...
"AAA Cites Some Of Nations Worst Commuter Hot Spots
Washington, D.C. - 2/14/2005 "
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Floyd Rogers - 15 Nov 2005 23:18 GMT > : Although those are nice, the most authoritative study is the one done > by [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > "AAA Cites Some Of Nations Worst Commuter Hot Spots Different methodology. If you can find 5 years of AAA or other articles, fine. You *CAN* find 5 years of the A&M articles, and Seattle is consistentently in the top 10. Things just don't go from 4th to off the top-10 in one year.
FloydR
The Dead Senator - 16 Nov 2005 07:15 GMT >> : Although those are nice, the most authoritative study is the one >> done by [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > FloydR Traffic truly sucks here. No joke. You can monitor it here:
http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/traffic/seattle/
Take 405 north to Bellevue in morning rush hour and you'll know commuting hell. ~Even~ in the carpool lane. And whoever built most of our interchanges was a sadist. That bastard.
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Devs, Saddened that you've left the Porsche ranks, I'll suspect you'll hang around for the addiction. I'll also wager that your not done with these cars, either. I love driving the Porker to work everyday, but I can shift my hours to circumvent much of the stop-n-go. If I can hit a hunnerd, it's a great day. She's dirty as hell right now from the rain and needs a serious bath. I eyeball some of those Bimmers myself, but the carhole only has so much room. The motorbikes gotta stay warm, too.
DS
Chicago Paddling-Fishing - 16 Nov 2005 08:09 GMT In alt.autos.porsche The Dead Senator <deadsenator@hotmail.com> wrote:
:>> : Although those are nice, the most authoritative study is the one :>> done by [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] :> :> FloydR
: Traffic truly sucks here. No joke. You can monitor it here:
: http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/traffic/seattle/
: Take 405 north to Bellevue in morning rush hour and you'll know : commuting hell. ~Even~ in the carpool lane. And whoever built most of : our interchanges was a sadist. That bastard. You have enough lanes for carpool lanes? The Dan Ryan expressway is 14 lanes wide... and I've been on it where the traffic was stopped for so long that kids were playing frisbee... true story... (it has portapottys on the shoulder at places so you can "go" when your stuck in traffic).
We are on that RFG gas... one of the side effects they say are that it dries out the rubber in fuel lines and causes them to crack or swell... leaks... Car-B-Ques are a huge pain during rushhour... I see you are on something called 7.8RVP.. not sure if that causes similar issues...
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Devils944S2 - 17 Nov 2005 06:22 GMT Hey Dead...it's too bad you never got to drive the S2. Quite an impressive automobile. The new owner just loves it. I finally get to stay home and would be able to meet up with you, but the price of staying home was the car... My commute is right in the teeth of that 405 traffic you mentioned. My job is in Woodinville. Sure glad I got rid of that house 10 minutes away in Snohomish... Monday mornings take me a little over 2 hours to get there. The ride home is much better...slow but moving. I am searching for a carpool now to at least get use of the carpool lane for where it does move. Right now we are looking at Issaquah and Redmond for houses. There are some reasonable properties left up there...if not Bothell or Mill Creek may be our destination in a year or so.
>>> : Although those are nice, the most authoritative study is the one done >>> by [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > DS Chicago Paddling-Fishing - 16 Nov 2005 07:27 GMT In alt.autos.porsche Floyd Rogers <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote:
:> : Although those are nice, the most authoritative study is the one done :> by [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] :> :> "AAA Cites Some Of Nations Worst Commuter Hot Spots
: Different methodology. If you can find 5 years of AAA or other articles, : fine. You *CAN* find 5 years of the A&M articles, and Seattle : is consistentently in the top 10. Things just don't go from 4th : to off the top-10 in one year. Can *YOU* show me a 2005 article that says the Seattle metropolitan area with a population of 3.8 million has as much traffic as Chicago areas 9.2 million?
Just within the city limits of Chicago is 1% of the entire U.S. population, Seattle has less than 600k people...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago Population Density 4923/km http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle Population Density 2638/km
Nearly double the density and unfortunately... everyone has a car :-(
And... it's supposed to snow tonite... (it was still freezing rain as I drove my 944 home)
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Floyd Rogers - 16 Nov 2005 15:36 GMT > In alt.autos.porsche Floyd Rogers <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Can *YOU* show me a 2005 article that says the Seattle metropolitan area > with > a population of 3.8 million has as much traffic as Chicago areas 9.2 > million? See, that's one thing wrong with your believing those articles. I *CANNOT* show you a 2005 study, because, guess what, 2005 isn't over, and peer-reviewed scientifically-valid studies (like the Texas A&M one) aren't cherry-picked over a portion of a year, a particular area, etc., and take a year or more to be prepared and peer-reviewed.
I have driven in Chicago, and agree that it's traffic is nasty. At least some of the people are, too, IME. But we have nasty traffic and people, too. A higher percentage on the roads, possibly, as we have *proportionally* less mass transit, so the yahoos with junkers and a bad attitude are on the roads rather than on the L.
FloydR
Chicago Paddling-Fishing - 18 Nov 2005 23:16 GMT In alt.autos.porsche Floyd Rogers <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote:
:> In alt.autos.porsche Floyd Rogers <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote:
:> Can *YOU* show me a 2005 article that says the Seattle metropolitan area :> with :> a population of 3.8 million has as much traffic as Chicago areas 9.2 :> million?
: See, that's one thing wrong with your believing those articles. I *CANNOT* : show you a 2005 study, because, guess what, 2005 isn't over, and : peer-reviewed : scientifically-valid studies (like the Texas A&M one) aren't cherry-picked : over a portion of a year, a particular area, etc., and take a year or more : to be prepared and peer-reviewed. Well.. the point is... your article published in 2002 is based on 2001 or earlier data... the articles from 2005 are published with earlier data too, but later than what you've quoted... so your question of how can CNN have 2 different stories on their website... it's easy... just look at the years that are embedded in the URLs or at the top of the stories... you knew your data was older from the start, yet you posted it to counter newer data.
: I have driven in Chicago, and agree that it's traffic is nasty. At least : some : of the people are, too, IME. But we have nasty traffic and people, too. : A higher percentage on the roads, possibly, as we have *proportionally* : less mass transit, so the yahoos with junkers and a bad attitude are on : the roads rather than on the L. Eh... I don't buy it... a town (yes a town) of 600k can't compete with the traffic woes of cities like New York, Los Angeles or Chicago... sure we have the L, but the traffic pattern isn't like it used to be with everyone working in the loop... the burb roads are as bad as the Kennedy now, except the Kennedy is still as bad as ever...
But... it's quite easy to drive a stick shift car daily in those environments, even in the snowy envirnments of New York or Chicago...
So... are there more comfortable cars out there to commute in... sure, but don't blame it on the commute, just admit your a wuss that went for comfort ;-)
It's ok... but accept responsibility instead of blaming the car or the city...
;-)
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Devils944S2 - 20 Nov 2005 05:21 GMT <don't blame it on the commute, just admit your a wuss that went for comfort ;-)>
OK John you caught me...I gave up a car that I coveted for 10 years, traveled 2500 miles to buy, loved as much as life itself, just to buy a mass produced German sedan to be comfortable in...
> In alt.autos.porsche Floyd Rogers <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote: > :> In alt.autos.porsche Floyd Rogers <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > ;-) Chicago Paddling-Fishing - 20 Nov 2005 08:06 GMT In alt.autos.porsche Devils944S2 <devils944@nospam.net> wrote:
: <don't blame it on the commute, just admit your a wuss that went for comfort : ;-)>
: OK John you caught me...I gave up a car that I coveted for 10 years, : traveled 2500 miles to buy, loved as much as life itself, just to buy a mass : produced German sedan to be comfortable in... You know... we bought a ford focus for my daughter to drive and my wife and i were using it to go someplace the other day and my wife said to me "Why don't you trade in your car for a real car like this?".
It's easy to be seduced by comfort... but I don't think a focus can take the ramp between i-294 and i-290 at 60mph (dry days only)... although the focus has done respectably in the world ralley championship...
Enjoy your beamer... :-)
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The Dead Senator - 20 Nov 2005 08:49 GMT > focus has done respectably in the world ralley championship... > > Enjoy your beamer... :-) Ummm...okay, I'll say it: that's Bimmer. Beamers are the cycles.
Devils944S2 - 20 Nov 2005 18:07 GMT OK I will throw a wrench in the works...I was brought up in upstate NY, where Bimmers were people that worked at IBM.
>> focus has done respectably in the world ralley championship... >> >> Enjoy your beamer... :-) > > Ummm...okay, I'll say it: that's Bimmer. Beamers are the cycles. someone@somewhere.net - 21 Nov 2005 03:32 GMT Haven't followed the whole thread but the essence is correct:
You have wussed out.
Just put in 5w30 and put the snow tires on my '44. It's good for all conditions.
Did you consider keeping the P-car and commuting in an older Suzuki Swift? :p
> OK I will throw a wrench in the works...I was brought up in upstate NY, > where Bimmers were people that worked at IBM. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >>Ummm...okay, I'll say it: that's Bimmer. Beamers are the cycles. Devils944S2 - 21 Nov 2005 06:34 GMT <You have wussed out. Just put in 5w30 and put the snow tires on my '44. It's good for all conditions.>
<Did you consider keeping the P-car and commuting in an older Suzuki Swift? :p>
I guess that's what you get for not reading the whole thread...Is your 944 an S2 Cabriolet? Does it have the heavy duty clutch like mine had? If I had my old 1984 N/A maybe, but, my 40 mile, 2.5 hour commute was painful in the S2. If you do the average, you will see I crawl to work at around 15MPH. Yes, of course I thought of getting a commuter car...which of course I would have to insure (Washington is friggin expensive) at the same liability levels as my 944 and Explorer, so now I could eat a nice $1600 every 6 months insurance bill. Actually, me and the Mrs. are looking north to Issaquah and Redmond for a place, then maybe down the road I can get another cab.
> Haven't followed the whole thread but the essence is correct: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>> >>>Ummm...okay, I'll say it: that's Bimmer. Beamers are the cycles. william_b_noble - 21 Nov 2005 05:42 GMT would that be Owego?
> OK I will throw a wrench in the works...I was brought up in upstate NY, > where Bimmers were people that worked at IBM. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> Ummm...okay, I'll say it: that's Bimmer. Beamers are the cycles. Chicago Paddling-Fishing - 21 Nov 2005 07:57 GMT In alt.autos.porsche The Dead Senator <deadsenator@hotmail.com> wrote:
:> focus has done respectably in the world ralley championship... :> :> Enjoy your beamer... :-)
: Ummm...okay, I'll say it: that's Bimmer. Beamers are the cycles. I had to go look it up... it appears Beemer can be used for both, but Bimmer is for cars only... why? I have no idea... anyway, I mispelled it either way.
http://www.boston-bmwcca.org/reference/Bimmer-Beemer.aspx says; "... A Very Highly Placed BMW Spokesperson sent me the following (reproduced here with permission).
While I can't point to any official document that supports this, my understanding of the origins are as follows.
The term Beemer was first used with motorcycles. Back when British bikes dominated the market and BSA was a well-known marque, riders referred to them as Beezers -- a way to say the letters BSA as if it were a word.
BMW riders said Beemer as a way of saying BMW as a word. This was long before the popularity of BMW cars, so whenever the term Beemer was spoken, it referred to the motorcycle. In theory, one could apply Beemer to either cars or bikes since it is only a reference to the name BMW. In fact some folks do call BMW cars Beemers.
When the cars became popular, many people referred to them as Bimmers as well as Beemers. I don't know why this was adopted instead of simply using the existing Beemers.
But generally speaking, one calls the bikes Beemers and the cars Bimmers. While it would be ok to refer to a car as a Beemer, it doesn't seem appropriate to refer to a bike as a Bimmer. ..."
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E Brown - 23 Nov 2005 20:15 GMT >In alt.autos.porsche The Dead Senator <deadsenator@hotmail.com> wrote: >:> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I had to go look it up... it appears Beemer can be used for both, but Bimmer >is for cars only... why? I have no idea... anyway, I mispelled it either way. This is like the Porsche one-syllable/two syllable pronunciation thing - I never bother correcting people since I know what they mean, but I'll explain the difference if it comes up (usually if I've got a copy of "Bimmer" magazine on my desk or coffee table). epbrown -- 2003 BMW 325i Black/Black 2003 BMW Z4 Black/Black
Mike - 18 Nov 2005 21:13 GMT Congratulations on the new job and the new commuter car! The 944S2 is a great drivers car and the BMW also has good qualities.
Mike
> Just got a new job that requires a commute and my 5 speed S2 was just not > the type of car for that task. It is with her new owner in Portland, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > record...sorry BMW guys, but, the BMW is definitely a quality step down > from a Porsche.
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