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Car Forum / Porsche / Porsche Cars / November 2007

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Buying a first 911

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dchorney@gmail.com - 05 Nov 2007 03:00 GMT
I am looking to buy a used 911, but am curious about the difference
between the air-cooled older models vs. the new water-cooled engines.
I know a lot of Porsche "purists" believe the older air-cooled models
are the only true Porsches, but I wanted to hear some opinions on what
people think is the best way to go before purchasing my first Porsche
(I'm still two years away, but want to start doing research and test-
driving soon). I'm probably looking for a model between 1998 and 2004,
putting me on the cusp between the switch-over in air vs. water - has
anyone had experience driving both? I'd love to hear your thoughts.

I'm also interested in hearing what people think is the #1 thing to
know before getting a Porsche for the first time (a used one). Is
there any one great piece of advice that people were told or have
learned that they'd like to pass on?

Any help would be appreciated - thank you.

-Dan
Lawrence Lugar - 05 Nov 2007 04:18 GMT
what color combo are you seeking, cab or coupe, tip or man., carrera or
turbo?

>I am looking to buy a used 911, but am curious about the difference
> between the air-cooled older models vs. the new water-cooled engines.
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> -Dan
wtrplnet - 05 Nov 2007 06:14 GMT
>I am looking to buy a used 911, but am curious about the difference
> between the air-cooled older models vs. the new water-cooled engines.
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> -Dan

A lot of Porsche purists think the only real Porsche is a 356!  What I have
to say is mostly opinion, I've never owned a water cooled 911, but I've
owned air cooled ones, and have driven many water cooled 911's.  The oldest
911's I've driven (owned) were 1974's.  I've driven most every year since
then up to 2006.  The new ones are much more sophisticated, comfortable,
faster, better handling, but they all drive like 911's.  The DNA is there in
every one.

If I were buying a recent 911 I'd surely go with the latest one I could
afford.  As far as 'air' vs 'water', in my opinion with increasing demands
from more HP, accessories like air conditioning on virtually every car, more
weight, etc, it all became more difficult to manage with air cooling.  Oil
temp in the air cooled cars varied widely depending on load, and that can't
be great for any engine.  I 'believe' that water cooling contributes to a
more stable temperature operating range.

In any case it's very important that you have the car inspected thoroughly
by someone who is expert in Porsche repair/maintenance.  It doesn't take
much for an overlooked problem to translate to many thousands of dollars in
unexpected repairs.

If you're in the US Porsche Club of America is a great resource for finding
anything Porsche related.  I'm sure there are good clubs in most countries.

Good luck with your search, there is nothing like a 911.  As they say,
"there is no substitute."

Alan
Guru - 05 Nov 2007 17:16 GMT
I've owned at least one model from most series of 911's beginning with 1972,
but missed the "964" series (1990-1994).

Alan's advice is pretty much on target:  The older cars are "older cars" and
if you're into classics and will accommodate their eccentricities and aging
replacement needs, so be it.  However, if you want the benefit of the most
modern engineering, then you buy the latest model you can afford.

If you're in a warm climate, I'd certainly opt for one of the water-cooled
996 or 997 models.  The A/C really works and the engine temperatures won't
give you a headache.

Best older models:

'87-89 Carreras (not incl the '89 C4)  These are the first Porsches with
Bosch's Motronic ignition/fuel injection and these years also got a new
transmission with a hydraulic assisted clutch.  These are also the last
911's that are reasonably easy to work on without all kinds of electronic
diagnostic equipment.

'96-98...These (993 series) are the cream of the air-cooled cars and seem to
be holding their value.  Note that the '98 cars are all Carrera-S models,
built with the wide body...similar to the Turbo.

'01-04...By '01, Porsche had corrected the nuisances of the early ('99-'00)
996 water cooled cars.  The '02's on have an extra 25 hp, compliments of the
engine being 3.6 L as opposed to 3.4 L.

'05-07...These 997 models represent some significant engineering advances.
The "Carrera-S" models have larger, 3.8 L engines with 355 HP.  I just got
one (06) and it's simply gratifying to drive.  Improved handling/steering,
improved interior ergonomics, and lots of torque and HP.  They're expensive
right now, but in 2 years...if that's your time frame, the '05's and '06's
should be down from the stratosphere.

If you live and drive in snow, consider a C4 (all wheel drive) model.

And...as Alan noted:  Don't buy any used Porsche without a comprehensive
pre-purchase inspection by a reputable shop....preferable NOT the one who
regularly services it.  You don't want any nasty (read that expensive) post
purchase problems as poorly maintained Porsche can become a "money-pit".

Join PCA (Porsche Club of America)...you'll have a local chapter to learn
from and get the national magazine and access to the website "market" where
many of the better maintained cars are posted for sale.

Good luck and regards from Texas!

>>I am looking to buy a used 911, but am curious about the difference
>> between the air-cooled older models vs. the new water-cooled engines.
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> Alan
Low Life #3 - 07 Nov 2007 10:44 GMT
: Alan's advice is pretty much on target:  The older cars are "older cars" and
: if you're into classics and will accommodate their eccentricities and aging
: replacement needs, so be it.  However, if you want the benefit of the most
: modern engineering, then you buy the latest model you can afford.

I'm looking at a '79 VW beetle cabrio for my son (who totaled a Honda Civic
in a slow speed roll-over) and noticed that not only is it air cooled but
the motor is behind the rear axel.. looks similar to the motor in our 996..
there is a reason for that.  is oil an issue for a 1.3liter VW motor?
(makes a whopping 50hp, I believe)
 
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