Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
HomeAnnouncements
Discussion Groups
By Brand
BMWChevroletDodgeFordGMHondaLexusMercedes-BenzNissanPeugeotToyotaVolkswagenOther Brands
By Topic
4x4 CarsRVsDrivingMaintenance & RepairCar AudioCollectible Cars
Country Specific
Australian ForumsUK Forums
ArticlesAuto InsuranceBuyingCars & TechnologyMaintenanceMiscellaneousSafety
DMV Resources
Related Topics
MotorcyclesBoatsMore Topics ...

Car Forum / Porsche / Porsche Cars / December 2004

Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

Porsche boxster S smoking on startup.

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
rveng@sbcglobal.net - 25 Oct 2004 21:34 GMT
I have a 2003 Boxster S that smokes on startup occasionally.
Sometimes it is considerable blue smoke.  Any of you guys heard of
this.  The dealer says it is normal.  I have 23,000 miles on it.  I
don't drive it that hard.  Was also wondering what someone should
expect for life of one of these motors?

Thanks.  Any input would be most appreciated..

John
Dan - 25 Oct 2004 22:40 GMT
I have a 2003 S and there is no smoke on startup.  If I recall correctly,
white smoke
is from water, Black is from unburned fuel and blue is from oil.  This being
said, do you
use any oil?  If so, how much?   Give me the exact details of when you start
it up (how
long it has sat, outside temp, etc.) and I will try to duplicate it with my
wife starting the
car to see if I can see anything at all.

As a side note, how do you like it?

Dan

>I have a 2003 Boxster S that smokes on startup occasionally.
> Sometimes it is considerable blue smoke.  Any of you guys heard of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> John
rveng@sbcglobal.net - 25 Oct 2004 23:26 GMT
It usually happens when the car has been sitting a while maybe a week.
But it occasionally does it after it has just been run.  You guys may
have something there on just when running a short bit of time.  I was
at the resteraunt the other night and I had to start it again toi move
it into a different spot.  After eating it smoked quite a lot but
always quits.  This smoke is definately from oil.  

Dan I love this car.  It handles like a dream, it has great styling
and I feel quite comfortable in it.  I would love to have a few more
inches in the leg room department though.  I have had zero problems
and porsche has been a dream to work with on service.  

Thanks for your response

John

>I have a 2003 S and there is no smoke on startup.  If I recall correctly,
>white smoke
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>>
>> John
spam@spam.com - 28 Oct 2004 00:42 GMT
My 2000 will smoke if it sits for a week or so, also.  Dealer confirmed
that this is OK.

> It usually happens when the car has been sitting a while maybe a week.
> But it occasionally does it after it has just been run.  You guys may
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>>>
>>>John
Jim Keenan - 25 Oct 2004 23:05 GMT
> I have a 2003 Boxster S that smokes on startup occasionally.
> Sometimes it is considerable blue smoke.  Any of you guys heard of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> John

Your dealer is correct. Horizintally opposed ("flat") engines will smoke
occasionally on startup. My 2002 996 does. It seems to happen to me
mostly when the car is on for just a moment then shut off (as in back
out of the garage to wash the car) and sits for a while. Because of the
configuration of the cylinders oil is more prone to sometimes accumulate
in the cylinder and then get burned on startup, I think.

If you've ever been at an airport when a light aircraft starts up it's
much the same - many general aviation light aircraft are powered by flat
4 or six cylinder gas engines and typically blow a puff of smoke on startup.

Regular service and oil changes are probably the best insurance for
prolonging engine life. Porsche recommends 2 years or 15,000 miles for
oil, but since I only put on about 7K miles a year I change oil and
filters annually.
Jim Keenan - 25 Oct 2004 23:14 GMT
> I have a 2003 Boxster S that smokes on startup occasionally.
> Sometimes it is considerable blue smoke.  Any of you guys heard of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> John

Your dealer is correct. Horizontally opposed engines will smoke
occasionally on startup. My understanding is because of the
configuration of the cylinders motor oil is more apt to accumulate in
the cylinder than in a V type engine where gravity tends to drain it
away. On startup the accumulated oil gets burned. My 2002 996 does this
occasionally, usually when the car is started up for just a moment (to
back out of the garage for washing) then shut off and sits for a while.

Regular service and oil/filter changes are probably the best insurance
for engine longevity. Porsche recommends 2 yrs. or 15,000 miles between
oil changes, but since I average about 7K miles a year I have the oil
and filters changes annually.
Sailor - 28 Oct 2004 23:52 GMT
My BMW motorcycle is a horizontal and smokes after a week or so of sitting
.... just like my 01 Boxster.

>> I have a 2003 Boxster S that smokes on startup occasionally.
>> Sometimes it is considerable blue smoke.  Any of you guys heard of
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> changes, but since I average about 7K miles a year I have the oil and
> filters changes annually.
Fred Aston - 16 Nov 2004 06:49 GMT
I sold Porsches for a couple of years.  About once a week we would crank all
the cars in the line and let them run for a bit to maintain the batteries.
You could tell the cars that hadn't been driven for the week prior by the
smoke coming from the exhaust.  These were brand new, never titled cars.
So, I can tell you that if your car sits for a week or so at a stretch, this
is very normal.

>I have a 2003 Boxster S that smokes on startup occasionally.
> Sometimes it is considerable blue smoke.  Any of you guys heard of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> John
Vern - 17 Nov 2004 02:34 GMT
Smoke on startup of any flat horizontally opposed engine after some time at
rest is a given.

Oil will at rest gather in the valve covers and no matter how good a valve
guide is, it must have some clearance to be able to move the valve to an
open or closed position. Oil resting in a valve cover will eventually seep
through the seals and the guides into the cylinders. Also it takes very
little oil on startup to make a great deal of smoke.

On a radial engine where some of the cylinders are located upside down, you
should always manually pull them through a couple of revolutions simply to
avoid hydraulic lock and catastrophic damage. It is simply the nature of the
design. Every radial engine you have ever watched fire up in the old war
films smoked on startup.

So never fear, at least with a flat design, you at least you don't have to
hand crank it to avoid damage, unless your Porsche has really been sitting a
long time, then I may actually recommend it.

>I sold Porsches for a couple of years.  About once a week we would crank
>all the cars in the line and let them run for a bit to maintain the
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>>
>> John
Marc Warden - 28 Nov 2004 21:24 GMT
To the original poster:

While some smoking on startup is a characteristic of the flat-6 Porsche engine,
for various reasons, any smoking accompanied by cold/warm/hot starting or
driveability problems is cause for serious concern.

Could be something relatively simple to fix like a leaking fuel injector but
could also be something much more serious. (My '02 started smoking on startup
and the cause was a failed air/oil separator which almost cost me the engine.
The separator failed in such a way that excessive vacuum pulled quite a bit of
oil from the engine into the intake and this oil was pumped through the engine.
If I had continued to drive the car, this oil could have caused a hydraulic lock
up of the engine and at anything over idle this could have destroyed the
engine.)

If the smoking continues after startup, appears on deacceleration, under hard
acceleration, if accompanied by a howling noise, excessive vacuum at the engine
oil dipstick tube or oil filler tube (with the engine running at idle), shut off
engine and get car to nearest qualified service department with strict
instructions not to start engine, drive car, until source of symptoms found and
corrected.

Sincerely,

MarcW.

> I sold Porsches for a couple of years.  About once a week we would crank all
> the cars in the line and let them run for a bit to maintain the batteries.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> >
> > John
Jef - 04 Dec 2004 02:51 GMT
If all of these cars are using synthetic oil it seems strange the
smoke has a blue  or blue-gray tint.

My experience is that syn oil doesn't have this color.
Dennis - 30 Nov 2004 21:30 GMT
Same thing happens with my 2000 'S' especially if the car is not used for any great length of time. I think it's normal.

> I have a 2003 Boxster S that smokes on startup occasionally.
> Sometimes it is considerable blue smoke.  Any of you guys heard of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> John

Signature

Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2008 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.