Yep, butt ugly and way overpriced---even if it is deductible.  I will
continue putting maintenance money into my Porsche 911SC and 928S and will
continue to feel good about rescuing the oldsters.

Mel

Ahhh...the Cayenne is ugly yet you put your stamp of approval on the
968?!?!?! The 968 fails in much the same way the Cayenne does. Technically
better than earlier models, but lacking the eye catching beauty of the
earlier models. Is it just me or does everyone else think the Toureg looks
nicer?

<<The 4th worst car Porsche ever built was the boxster, because it's
not a
Porsche.>>

Then what is it?

<<he 3rd worst car Porsche ever built was the cayenne, because its a
4x4.>>

That's ridiculous.

<The 2nd worst car Audi ever built was 924 because its not a Porsche,
but it
saved Porsche's neck>>

Porsche designed it, Porsche wrote the checks for it, Porsche badged
and sold it. The Audi engine doesn't make not a Porsche.

<<The undisputed worst car Porsche ever built ( well Audi ever built )
was the
944 as it was a full blooded Audi, and NOT a real Porsche and has no
recognition whatsoever within the Porsche fraternity.>>

Well PCA would disagree with you, as would anyone who knows a damn
thing. By the time the 944 rolled around, there was a new chassis being
used and the Audi enine from the 924 was gone. It *is* a Porsche.

<<The 4th worst car Porsche ever built was the boxster, because it's
not a
Porsche.>>

Then what is it?

<<he 3rd worst car Porsche ever built was the cayenne, because its a
4x4.>>

That's ridiculous.

<The 2nd worst car Audi ever built was 924 because its not a Porsche,
but it
saved Porsche's neck>>

Porsche designed it, Porsche wrote the checks for it, Porsche badged
and sold it. The Audi engine doesn't make not a Porsche.

<<The undisputed worst car Porsche ever built ( well Audi ever built )
was the
944 as it was a full blooded Audi, and NOT a real Porsche and has no
recognition whatsoever within the Porsche fraternity.>>

Well PCA would disagree with you, as would anyone who knows a damn
thing. By the time the 944 rolled around, there was a new chassis being
used and the Audi enine from the 924 was gone. It *is* a Porsche.

<<The 4th worst car Porsche ever built was the boxster, because it's
not a
Porsche.>>

Then what is it?

<<he 3rd worst car Porsche ever built was the cayenne, because its a
4x4.>>

That's ridiculous.

<The 2nd worst car Audi ever built was 924 because its not a Porsche,
but it
saved Porsche's neck>>

Porsche designed it, Porsche wrote the checks for it, Porsche badged
and sold it. The Audi engine doesn't make not a Porsche.

<<The undisputed worst car Porsche ever built ( well Audi ever built )
was the
944 as it was a full blooded Audi, and NOT a real Porsche and has no
recognition whatsoever within the Porsche fraternity.>>

Well PCA would disagree with you, as would anyone who knows a damn
thing. By the time the 944 rolled around, there was a new chassis being
used and the Audi enine from the 924 was gone. It *is* a Porsche.

Basically, what you are saying here is 'I know virtually nothing about
Porsche'. If you are going to criticise something, it's a good starting
pooint to get your facts straight.
The 924 started out as a VW-Audi project - VW-Audi contracted Porsche to
design a sports car for them. They used an Audi engine with a
Porsche-designed head and various readliy-available VW parts. VAG cancelled
their plans late into development and Porsche bought the project outright.
They had the car built at an Audi plant. If anything, although the 924 would
probably have been badged as an Audi (had things gone to the original plan),
it can be levelled that the 924 is a VW - one look under the bonnet and VW
badges are apparent everywhere. However, Porsche *designed* the car - and
did a fantastic job. They took virtually bog-standard VW parts and an engine
that was more at home in a VW LT van and Audi saloons and delivered a budget
sports car with a decent amount of power (unfortunately the US market got an
underpowered, detuned version of the 125bhp 2 litre unit) and wonderful
handling characteristics. Porsche then went on to make more and more
powerful versions of the 924, proving the handling was capable of much more
than the 2 litre NA engine could provide and making the car more 'Porsche'
in the process. By 1986, the 924 had a completely Porsche-designed engine
and uprated, non-VW running gear to match it.

As for the 944, your comments make me think you *must* realise that you're
talking utter, utter rubbish. I'll take the bait though, because sometimes
it's worth setting the record straight for the sake of others. The 944 was
derived from the 924 Carrera and had an engine designed and built by Porsche
in it's Zuffenhausen factory. It's Porsche alright. The reason a lot of
total purists might still shun the 924, the 944 and even the 928 and 968 is
because they don't follow the basic 911 rule of making something very fast
with an engine stuck right at the back of it - which is basically a very,
very impractical way to try to make a good-handling road car. Still, I guess
it sure as hell makes it more fun (or dangerous, depending on how you look
at things).

I think that's a basically correct overview of the 924/944 history - you can
google for plenty of info about these fantastic cars.

At the end of the day, Porsche decided to stick their badges on the 924 and
944. Porsche designed those cars, and it was Porsche who put them into
production. Porsche wanted them to be part of their line-up, it was a very
good business decision and they are very, very good cars - regardless of
what badge is on the front of them.

One could say that the only 'real' Porsche is a 911 - as it's rear engined -
but then if you were to go down that elitist route, you should probably
conclude that actually, the only 'real' Porsche is a 356. Or maybe, only
'real' Porsches have air-cooled engines - in which case, Porsche don't
actually make Porsches anymore!

Then again, I've yet to see a Porsche I thought was truly bad. The worst I
think I've seen was the late 90's redesign of the 911's front headlights,
now thankfully gone.

Oh, and I do think that the Cayenne looks like a 911 on stilts.

;)

Chris.

Hey, how 'bout you have a big tall glass of STFU.  Maybe you don't like
944's, that's your prerogative, but if Porsche put their crest on it,
they must have thought it merited to be called a Porsche.  So... who
exactly are *you* again to be second guessing Porsche themselves about
what defines Porsche-ness?  I'm only surprised that you didn't put some
snide remark in about 914s or 928s.  But other than that exactly typical
of what you'd expect from someone who's never driven the car's they're
bitching about.

FWIW the 9*2*4 had a lot of Audi influence, but the 9*4*4 had a Porsche
motor, essentially half a 928 V-8.  So you can't even get your facts
straight!  What a maroon.

nate

(and I don't even like the Cayenne!)

Having driven both, I'd buy the Porsche over the BMW any day...........