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tow vehicle wheelbase to trailer length ratio
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Chris Cowles - 21 Mar 2005 04:00 GMT There a common rule of thumb cited here that you shouldn't exceed 75% of the towing capacity of your tow vehicle. That's a goal I share.
Concern with the wheelbase of the tow vehicle, with respect to length the trailer, is also cited frequently. I understand the reasoning but have never seen any objective criteria.
I think it's not as simple as the % of tow capacity rule, but would someone be willing to take a stab at it? Is it a wheelbase to overall trailer length? Or wheelbase to distance-from-hitch-to-axle length? Is there a wheelbase beyond which it doesn't matter? I'm assuming standard hitch trailers, not 5th-wheels.
TIA for sincere replies.
 Signature Chris Cowles Gainesville, FL
RichA - 21 Mar 2005 19:21 GMT >There a common rule of thumb cited here that you shouldn't exceed 75% of the >towing capacity of your tow vehicle. That's a goal I share. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >TIA for sincere replies. Hi, I don't know of any set number like the 75-80% of tow ratings. There is a formula for motor homes that is talked about and that is wheel base divided by the overall length. Anything over 50 is preferable, the higher the number the better. This is because a value of 50 or over means the motor home has a shorter overhang behind the rear axle which will usually indicate that it drives better and handles wind better.
For a tow vehicle the worst case would be a short wheel base vehicle with a long overhang from the axle to the bumper. That is because the long overhang would give the trailer even more leverage over the tow vehicle. If you think of the tow vehicle and trailer as a lever with the hitch as the pivot point you can see that the shorter the wheel base of the tow vehicle and the further the hitch is behind the axle the more leverage the trailer is going to have. It doesn't matter when the trailer is tracking straight behind the towed vehicle. When it matters is when the trailer starts moving to one side or the other. Then the forces are not pushing the tow vehicle straight but trying to push sideways. The more it moves to the side the harder it pushes the tow vehicles rear to the opposite side. The more leverage it has the less it has to move to effect the tow vehicle. Then the weight of the TT matters too as the heavier it is the easier it will be for it to push.
If your tow vehicle has a longer wheel base and short overhang it will take more force to move the tow vehicle to the side because the trailer will have less leverage. There is no tow vehicle towing a travel trailer that is immune to the trailer swaying or pushing the tow vehicle to the side no matter what the wheel base. It's just the nature of the beast. But a longer wheel base tow vehicle makes the combination more stable, tow vehicle weight would help some too. The best thing you can do if towing a travel trailer is get a Hensley or Pull Rite hitch. These effectively move the hitch point from the rear of the tow vehicle to the axle of the tow vehicle making the travel trailer behave more like a 5th wheel. Which have much less tendency to push the tow vehicle sideways then conventional travel trailers.
I used a Hensley to tow my 30 foot TT and the difference between towing with it and a Reese weight distributing hitch was amazing. The high sides of a TT make a difference too as they supply more surface area for wind and semi's air streams to push against to get things started. Anti sway devices like the friction control device is a band aid, IMO. If a trailer is swaying it is doing so because something isn't right. Those devices work both ways, in other words they act like a brake to keep the trailer from turning to the side. But if it does turn it acts like a brake to keep it from returning straight behind the tow vehicle, especially bad in wet and slippery conditions.
It used to be common to see large cars and SUV and pickups towing pop ups with the pop ups swinging back and forth with nothing apparently happening. Except maybe wearing the heck out of the pop ups tires and hitch and ball. But pop ups used to be light, normally a lot lighter then the tow vehicles. But today some pop up and hybrids are almost as heavy as some TT. And cars and SUV's are lighter/smaller with short wheel bases. You get a 2500 or 3000+ lb. popup/hybrid swinging back and forth and you could be in real trouble if you have a short wheel base vehicle.
Of course there are a lot of other things that effect how a trailer tows such as proper hitch set up proper weight distribution etc. But a longer wheel base will always be preferable to a short one. IMO :)
Take care and Happy Campin...
RichA "We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"
Mark Filice - 21 Mar 2005 19:40 GMT >I think it's not as simple as the % of tow capacity rule, but would someone >be willing to take a stab at it? Is it a wheelbase to overall trailer [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >TIA for sincere replies. Here is the chart you are looking for. While it is not etched in stone, it is a helpful guide:
http://www.rvtowingtips.com/how-long.htm
Good Luck,
Mark Filice 2004 Homestead Settler 255RS 1999 Chevrolet Suburban 2500
tobe - 21 Mar 2005 21:59 GMT There is an article providing two guidelines on this subject at: http://rvtowingtips.com/how-long.htm
The first guideline, which I have seen elsewhere is: For the first 110" of wheelbase, this allows you 20' of trailer. For each additional 4" of wheelbase, this gets you 1' more of trailer.
The second guideline: The distance from the coupler to the rear trailer axle should be no more than twice the wheelbase of the tow vehicle.
The article has nice tables. There are no scientific references given.
>"Chris Cowles" wrote There a common rule of thumb cited here that you >shouldn't exceed 75% of the towing capacity of your tow vehicle. That's a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > there a wheelbase beyond which it doesn't matter? I'm assuming standard > hitch trailers, not 5th-wheels. Chris Cowles - 22 Mar 2005 01:02 GMT Thanks to all for responses. They are helpful.
> There is an article providing two guidelines on this subject at: > http://rvtowingtips.com/how-long.htm mac davis - 23 Mar 2005 17:33 GMT >Thanks to all for responses. They are helpful. > >> There is an article providing two guidelines on this subject at: >> http://rvtowingtips.com/how-long.htm Just a sort of side note.... Most of those charts don't take the more "modern" equipment like WD hitches and sway bars, but they at least give you an idea..
IMHO, the more weight and wheelbase, the less chance of the "tail wagging the dog", which is a very bad thing... BTDT
mac
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harmonicat@gmail.com - 22 Mar 2005 22:41 GMT Chris you said: "There a common rule of thumb cited here that you shouldn't exceed 75% of the towing capacity of your tow vehicle..."
I realize that my reply to this is off-topic, but I want to share another method. Every TV has a GCWR and a GVWR. If you subtract the GVWR from the GCWR, your answer will be the largest trailer GVWR that you should pull.
(GCWR-GVWR=GVWR)
This formula was given to me by another RVer, and many will argue that it doesn't hold true to all vehicles. But arguing aside, it is just another "rule of thumb" to keep in mind for those buying a trailer to match to the TV they already have.
Once I owned a Ford E-150 conversion van, which had a tow rating of 5000#. The shame of it was, a 5000# TT was too heavy for the van. After the fact, I learned the formula GCWR-GVWR=GVWR. That applied to the E-150 looks like this: 10,000# - 7,000# = 3000# Anyone can see that 3000# is much different than 5000#.
I replaced the E-150 with a E-350 with a tow rating of 10,000#. When I applied GCWR-GVWR=GVWR, I got much better numbers: 18,500# - 8700# = 9800# trailer. The E-350 pulled the 5000# trailer like it wasn't even there.
George
Mark Filice - 23 Mar 2005 00:45 GMT >I realize that my reply to this is off-topic, but I want to share >another method. Every TV has a GCWR and a GVWR. If you subtract the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >another "rule of thumb" to keep in mind for those buying a trailer to >match to the TV they already have. This is the method I used when I was shopping for my trailer. I had bought the Suburban the month before, and went looking at trailers. 2 RV shows, and 3 RV dealer lots later I found what I was looking for.
I knew that I needed to look at a trailer with a maximum of about 7000# GVWR. I bought one with a GVWR of 7100#. The unloaded weight of the trailer I purchased is 4,800#.
Some of the models I looked at had a very low Cargo Carrying Capacity (CCC). The unloaded weight of the trailers and their GVWR were only about 1,000 lbs. apart. That concerned me, as trailers can get loaded up pretty quickly with gear.
So I purchased a trailer that won't be overloaded unless I decide to become a boulder collector <vbg>.
Mark Filice 2004 Homestead Settler 255RS 1999 Chevrolet Suburban 2500 2000 Dodge Ram 1500
harmonicat@gmail.com - 23 Mar 2005 16:52 GMT Hi Mark Filice.
Gerry Pierce - 24 Mar 2005 02:21 GMT > Hi Mark Filice. Hi George! Going to jump in before Mark answers, I saw you posting in popupexplorer the other day and replied, but you may not have seen it.
I saw you were back to tent camping and are looking for another trailer, what ever became of the trail-lite saga? I am rather interested in this, since we may be looking for a new trailer this fall. I still have my Mesa, but now that two kids are gone, my labor pool for setting up is dwindling. ;)
If you don't want to publicly discuss, email me offline.... cruzrtwdgt at comcast dot net
Gerry
Gerry and Robyn 99 Mesa 01 SportTrac
mac davis - 23 Mar 2005 17:36 GMT >>I realize that my reply to this is off-topic, but I want to share >>another method. Every TV has a GCWR and a GVWR. If you subtract the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >1999 Chevrolet Suburban 2500 >2000 Dodge Ram 1500 you're a better man than I am, mark.. *g*
We bought a trailer that we HAD to have, then scrambled to find a bigger truck to tow with before the TT was delivered.. *lol*
Mac 03 Tahoe Widelite 26GT Travel Trailer replaced 1958 Hilite tent trailer 99 Dodge Ram QQ 2wd - 5.9L, auto, 3:55 gears
Mark Filice - 25 Mar 2005 00:53 GMT >you're a better man than I am, mark.. *g* I don't know about that <vbg>
>We bought a trailer that we HAD to have, then scrambled to find a bigger truck >to tow with before the TT was delivered.. *lol* But I don't buy vehicles very often--I keep them for quite a while. My last truck lasted me 9 years.
After buying the Suburban, I knew that I didn't want to buy a trailer that was outside of the weight parameters of it.
There have been a lot of debate going back and forth about which to buy first, trailer or TV. I just looked at the GVWR+GVWR<GCWR equation and knew the max GVWR for the trailer I could look at. We found the best trailer for us--and it fit the equation.
My trailer actually weighs right at 6,000 lbs.--ready to camp. Now with my Dodge Ram, I am well within the towing capacity of 7,500 lbs.--but I am over the "75% rule" by a little bit. But I rationalize it because I probably am going to tow it with the truck only 3-4 times a year.
Mark Filice 2004 Homestead Settler 255RS 1999 Chevrolet Suburban 2500 2000 Dodge Ram 1500
mac davis - 25 Mar 2005 17:39 GMT >>you're a better man than I am, mark.. *g* >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >1999 Chevrolet Suburban 2500 >2000 Dodge Ram 1500 we got the TT because we could tow it with our truck, a 2001 dakota... dealers all looked it up and said that the max towing weight was 6,450#, so we decided to get a TT that was less than 5,000# dry...
Got a great deal on a new 03 model after the 04's came out.. dry weight 4,750#...
That should have been cool, but then I discovered the Trailer Life site and looked up the truck.. DAMN!
The dakota would pull 6,450 with the same engine and transmission as ours, if it had a 4:10 rear end... they all came with a 3:55 which drops the max to 5,150#.. ouch! We considered changing rear end gears, but decided that the lower gears might get the weight moving, but wouldn't change the trucks suspension, weight, brakes, wheel base, etc....
We lucked out and found the Ram a week before we took delivery of the TT.. lol
mac
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