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Newt - 23 Jul 2005 18:17 GMT
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1977-Jayco-A-Bear-Visited_W0QQitemZ4563225913QQca
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Chris - 23 Jul 2005 21:06 GMT
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1977-Jayco-A-Bear-Visited_W0QQitemZ4563225913QQca
tegoryZ50064QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That looks pretty rough.  Thanks for the laugh!!
John - 24 Jul 2005 01:27 GMT
I guess that style of camoflage doesn't work with bears.  I hope no one was
in it when the bear caem knockin'.

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Newt - 24 Jul 2005 06:05 GMT
> I guess that style of camoflage doesn't work with bears.  I hope no one was
> in it when the bear caem knockin'.

When your in bear country, hide your food and trash...

     Newt
Mark Jones - 24 Jul 2005 13:17 GMT
> > I guess that style of camoflage doesn't work with bears.  I hope no one was
> > in it when the bear caem knockin'.
> >
> When your in bear country, hide your food and trash...

Don't camp there in a tent or pop-up.
Jim Redelfs - 24 Jul 2005 14:33 GMT
> When your in bear country, hide your food and trash...

Where?

JR
Newt - 24 Jul 2005 15:55 GMT
>>When your in bear country, hide your food and trash...
>
> Where?
>
> JR
Some campgrounds has bear proof boxes you can put stuff in them.

    Newt
Jim Redelfs - 24 Jul 2005 21:20 GMT
>> When your in bear country, hide your food and trash...

>> Where?

> Some campgrounds has bear proof boxes you can put stuff in them.

Agreed.  I was mostly concerned with your use of the word "hide".  If
something has ANY odor to it, even if imperceptible to humans, a bear can find
it.

You can't hide ANYTHING from a bear.  You can only PREVENT a bear from getting
to it.

There are MANY, "official" precautions you can and SHOULD take when camping in
bear country.  Of them, bear-proofing your food and trash are two of the most
important.

A bear-proof container, usually several cubic feet in size, made of steel and
anchored to the ground, is ONE of the means of protecting something from a
large bear.  Suspending the stuff at least 12-14 (?) feet off the ground,
between two trees is another method.

We spent five days and nights camped in our popup IN Yellowstone National
Park.  We toured the park extensively and, in that time, never saw a bear.  I
was NOT disappointed.  The bears were presumably WAAAAY off/up in the
wilderness eating roots, berries, fish and other wild stuff.  That's the way
it's supposed to be.

             :)
JR
AustinMN - 25 Jul 2005 23:15 GMT
> You can't hide ANYTHING from a bear.  You can only PREVENT a bear from
> getting
> to it.

Wrong.  You can _try_ to prevent the bear from getting to it.  On a long
cross-country trip, I learned the difference between campgrounds that
pretended to have a bear problem and those that really did.  I shook my head
whenever I came across one that said "put all your food in your car."  If
that's their advice, they don't really have a bear problem.

Bear boxes are pretty good, but bears have been known to overcome just about
everything else.

> There are MANY, "official" precautions you can and SHOULD take when
> camping in
> bear country.  Of them, bear-proofing your food and trash are two of the
> most
> important.

> A bear-proof container, usually several cubic feet in size, made of steel
> and
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> way
> it's supposed to be.

I agree that's the way it's supposed to be.  We spent a few days in
Yellowstone and saw one grizzly bear from about 1/4 mile away.  That was
close enough for me.

The sad thing to see was what we saw at Grand Teton a few days later.  A sow
black bear with three cubs, and within 50 FEET was a group of more than 50
onlookers.  There are large amounts of berries in the area we were in, and a
spectacualr waterfall attracts a lot of people - stupid people.  Just a year
earlier, a sow and her cub had to be destroyed because it figured out that
some poeple have food.  Several relocation attempts failed, the sow just
came back.  I would not be surprised if the same happened with the new bear.
It's such wonderful bear habitat that if they remove that bear, another will
come.

Austin
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Brad Blackburn - 26 Jul 2005 02:35 GMT
> Wrong.  You can _try_ to prevent the bear from getting to it.  On a long
> cross-country trip, I learned the difference between campgrounds that
> pretended to have a bear problem and those that really did.  I shook my head
> whenever I came across one that said "put all your food in your car."  If
> that's their advice, they don't really have a bear problem.
> Austin

Dad and I stayed at a small RV park in small town Colorado a few weeks ago.
Two nights in a row they had a bear visit and scared some tenters off.
No bear boxes. They did have metal bars to keep the bear from opening the
dumpster lids.
While in Yellowstone last year there was a bear nearby (small black bear) so
they were real diligent about making sure anything with odors was hard to
get to. Ranger said the cab of truck would be
fine if we didn't use the bear boxes. We had to put water containers  in
there too.
The previous occupants of our site had left egg shells
in the fire pit. Camp host was real upset about that which was about the
time the ranger came around.

Brad
Bill Carton - (The Roadie) - 26 Jul 2005 20:18 GMT
>>>When your in bear country, hide your food and trash...
>>
>> Where?
>>
>Some campgrounds has bear proof boxes you can put stuff in them.

Do they have little air holes so we can breathe after we set up our tent
inside 'em?
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dale.henderson@gmail.com - 01 Aug 2005 12:02 GMT
My family has camped in the Smokies many times over the years, also
Yellowstone and Tetons.  Smokies of course only have blacks, but we
have learned to deal with them.  We have taught the kids to keep the
campsite VERY clean, and never, NEVER, take any food into the tent.
The van has always been a very good place to keep the ice chests and
food boxes, but we also cover the coolers and boxes with a blanket to
keep the bears from seeing what is there.  We returned from a late hike
once to find paw prints on the back glass where the bear was looking
into the van.  I am sure a bear can get into a car or van if he or she
really wants in.  We have seen many bears, on the trails and had them
travel through our campsite without stopping many times in the past.
The key is to leave nothing out for them to stop and find.  We have had
no bear encounters in the west, but having grizzlies in the area we
were even more diligent of keeping a clean, odor free campsite, but
were still apprehensive about an encounter.
   On the other hand, whereas we have learned how to camp around black
bears and have had no bad experiences, a few summers ago we were
camping in campgrounds that were mountain lion habitats, that kept us
more on edge than a bear habitat.
Newt - 01 Aug 2005 14:59 GMT
> My family has camped in the Smokies many times over the years, also
> Yellowstone and Tetons.  Smokies of course only have blacks, but we
> have learned to deal with them.  We have taught the kids to keep the

When you reply to a message you need to quote some the the message you
are replying to. Look at the beginning of your message, I knew you were
talking about bears since I was the guy who originally started this
subject a while back. But someone might not have read all the messages
in this subject.

    Newt
 
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