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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / January 2006

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Arizona trailer regulations?

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eselk@surfbest.net - 12 Jan 2006 21:15 GMT
I'm about to register a home-made trailer, in Arizona.  Anyone know
where I can find a detailed list of requirements?  I've seen several
web-sites which have what I would call an overview for each state,
which isn't detailed enough for me.  I already know that I need safety
chains, tail/stop/turn lights, license plate light, and mud flaps.
However, I'm not sure if I need 1 or 2 safety chains, and I'm also not
sure what the rules are about how they need to be attached to the
trailer.  I'm also not sure if I need clearance lights, or just
reflectors (the yellow ones on the side, towards the front of the
trailer).

I called the DMV (Dept of Motor Vehicles (what they call it in AZ)).
The first woman I talked to, Sandra, told me that an equipment
inspection isn't even done for home-made trailers, she said it was just
a class 1 inspection which just means they attach a VIN.  I knew that
wasn't right, so I called back right after I hung-up.  This time I
talked to "Mike" who told me that 2 chains are required, and that they
had to be welded to the trailer, among other things.  Then I went to
the DMV and talked to one of the actual inspectors.  He said the chains
CANNOT be welded, and that they must be bolted instead.  That inspector
told me that I didn't need clearance lights, just reflectors.  However,
I also talked to another inspector the same day who told me that I
needed lights, not reflectors.

Anyway, everytime I talked to a different person at the DMV, I get a
different answer.  Since I'm not sure which inspector I'll get when I
actually bring in my trailer, or what story he may have that day, I
would rather find some written information I can fallow (i.e.-The
actual LAW).  I tried to memic my design as close as possible to other
trailers I've seen, but I didn't want to copy them exactly (I would
have just bought one if I wanted that, since it cost just as much to
make one myself).

p.s.-I'm building a 4'x8' utility trailer.  Flat bed.  All steal.
Expanded Metal bed.  V-shaped tounge, with center jack.  Straight, not
a goose neck.  All equipment is class 3, including chains and hitch,
even though I'll never load more than 800 pounds.  Single axle.  Round
fenders.  15" wheels/rims, tires are about the size of a basic F-150.
Frank Tabor - 12 Jan 2006 21:29 GMT
>I'm about to register a home-made trailer, in Arizona.  Anyone know
>where I can find a detailed list of requirements?  I've seen several
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>even though I'll never load more than 800 pounds.  Single axle.  Round
>fenders.  15" wheels/rims, tires are about the size of a basic F-150.

Go back and ask the inspectors what and where the relevant documents
are so you can reference them yourself.
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Frank Tabor

eselk@surfbest.net - 13 Jan 2006 00:12 GMT
Thanks, I'll give that a try if no one else knows where I can find them
(any inspectors reading this group?).  I imagine the inspector may not
like that question, unless I ask it in just the right way.  Also, they
usually have "cheat sheets" which tell them the basic rules, which they
usually go by, but those sheets don't always match the actual law, or
are not detailed enough (so they just make up the rest, from "memory").

Sorry, I just have a negative attitude due to previous experiences.
Like the time I was told by an insepector that I need a windshield for
my motorcycle (I didn't).  And another time I was told I needed seat
belts in my 1948 Willys Jeep, and also again in my 1965 Mustang (went
to court 4 times, finally the judge wrote me a letter to show to cops
that pulled me over).  Most of these people (inspectors and cops) just
have their little cheat sheets, issued by the state, but they only
cover the "average" vehicle.  Sure, a CAR needs a windshield, and a
1972 (last I checked) or newer vehicle needs a seat belt, but their
cheat sheet doesn't cover those details.

> Go back and ask the inspectors what and where the relevant documents
> are so you can reference them yourself.
Frank Tabor - 13 Jan 2006 02:01 GMT
>Thanks, I'll give that a try if no one else knows where I can find them
>(any inspectors reading this group?).  I imagine the inspector may not
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>1972 (last I checked) or newer vehicle needs a seat belt, but their
>cheat sheet doesn't cover those details.

Another thing you can do is go to the local Lowes, Home Depot or
Farmer's Supply that sells that size trailer and look it over good and
see how they are made.  Then you point out that your's is made just
like so and so is selling for retail.
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Frank Tabor

Tomes - 13 Jan 2006 17:23 GMT
If you fear that by asking you will become known to them as a troublemaker
(right or wrong is irrelevant) of some manner, perhaps have another person
go there and procure a copy on paper of the relevant documents.  Kind of
like a secret mission <Mission Impossible music starts up in background>.
This way you will have it, they will not know it was you, you have what you
need and can prove you are correct upon inspection, if an inspection is
indeed needed.
Tomes

> Thanks, I'll give that a try if no one else knows where I can find them
> (any inspectors reading this group?).  I imagine the inspector may not
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> > Go back and ask the inspectors what and where the relevant documents
> > are so you can reference them yourself.
tobe - 13 Jan 2006 17:24 GMT
Pertinent Arizona laws are found at:
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp?Title=28

Unfortunately, there is not one statute which deals exclusively with towed
trailers, so one must look through a lot of different statutes to find out
what is needed.  However, I think it is all there, mostly in Chapter 3,
Articles 16 through 18.  HTH

> I'm about to register a home-made trailer, in Arizona.  Anyone know
> where I can find a detailed list of requirements?  I've seen several
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> would rather find some written information I can fallow (i.e.-The
> actual LAW).
eselk@surfbest.net - 13 Jan 2006 21:15 GMT
Great, this looks like exactly what I was looking for (I probably have
too much time on my hands, with nothing better to do).  Thanks!

> Pertinent Arizona laws are found at:
> http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp?Title=28
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> what is needed.  However, I think it is all there, mostly in Chapter 3,
> Articles 16 through 18.  HTH
eselk@surfbest.net - 25 Jan 2006 19:01 GMT
Just to follow-up on my own post...  I got my trailer registered, and
they did a full inspection.  However, the paperwork for the inspection
said "class 1" on it, and it didn't say anything about equipment.  A
class 1 inspection in AZ is just to make sure none of the parts are
stolen, and to assign a VIN.  It only costs $5, which the "class 3"
inspection, which is to check equipment, costs a lot more.

I guess the bottom line, here in Tucson anyway, and with the 3
different inspectors I've talked with, is that a safety/equipment
inspection is NOT required, but the inspectors do it anyway.  At least
they don't charge you for it!

And by the way, the inspector didn't even check that the lights work.

> Great, this looks like exactly what I was looking for (I probably have
> too much time on my hands, with nothing better to do).  Thanks!
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> > what is needed.  However, I think it is all there, mostly in Chapter 3,
> > Articles 16 through 18.  HTH
Tomes - 26 Jan 2006 04:32 GMT
Thanks for the follow-up - it is always good to see the resolution on these
things.  Glad to hear that it all worked out.
Tomes

> Just to follow-up on my own post...  I got my trailer registered, and
> they did a full inspection.  However, the paperwork for the inspection
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>> > what is needed.  However, I think it is all there, mostly in Chapter 3,
>> > Articles 16 through 18.  HTH
 
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