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Constructing a pop-up

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QD Steve - 28 Mar 2006 23:11 GMT
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Any help appreciated on where I can get some info on constructing a pop-up.
This would be either from scratch or from a pre-constructed professionally
made chassis.
If I can get a lead on various web-sites or from any other area that may be
of help. I've done a fair bit of Googling but it isn't turning up much.
TIA, Steve (in Aus)
Spogatz - 29 Mar 2006 01:23 GMT
I wouldn't recommend it.  Find an old popup and REbuild it as you would
like.  I have seen many of these done that have come out great.
QD Steve - 29 Mar 2006 02:20 GMT
>I wouldn't recommend it.  Find an old popup and REbuild it as you would
> like.  I have seen many of these done that have come out great.

Thanks for good advice. Again, any pointers (web sites) that will help with
tips on re-builds would be useful.
Steve W (in Aus)
Chris Cowles - 29 Mar 2006 02:46 GMT
>>I wouldn't recommend it.  Find an old popup and REbuild it as you would
>> like.  I have seen many of these done that have come out great.
>>
> Thanks for good advice. Again, any pointers (web sites) that will help
> with tips on re-builds would be useful.
> Steve W (in Aus)

Most importantly in my opinion, start with a pop-up that has a good roof,
good canvas, no rust and no water damage. The rest is carpentry and
hardware.
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Gainesville, FL

asadi - 29 Mar 2006 13:16 GMT
"Chris Cowles"

> Most importantly in my opinion, start with a pop-up that has a good roof,
> good canvas, no rust and no water damage. The rest is carpentry and
> hardware.
That's pretty much it. If you are handy at all you really shouldn't have any
problem. If you have grandiose plans (to the extent that you need a website
for guidance) you are probably waay over your head...

john
Chris Cowles - 29 Mar 2006 18:22 GMT
> That's pretty much it. If you are handy at all you really shouldn't have
> any problem. If you have grandiose plans (to the extent that you need a
> website for guidance) you are probably waay over your head...

That's true, but many correspondents post links to pics illustrating useful
ideas. The OP should browse this group in Google for past threads on the
topic.
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Chris Cowles
Gainesville, FL

AustinMN - 30 Mar 2006 14:34 GMT
QD Steve asked:

> Any help appreciated on where I can get some info on constructing a pop-up.

I would ask this question in three other places in order to get better
response:
<http://www.arveeclub.com> (despite the name, dedicated to pop-ups for
the time being)
<http://www.popupexplorer.com>
<http://www.popupportal.com>

The reason I suggest asking there is that I have seen the kind of sites
you are looking for.  Someone would have links.  In addition, there are
lots of people with sites about modifications to their pop-up, some of
which might be useful to you.

My own approach would be to find a pop-up that is being sold as
"chassis only" or "utility trailer only" and start with that.  If you
can get a roof and lift system, great.  But pop-ups didn't always have
roofs, and so a 100% tent roof could also work, eliminating the need
for a lift system.

Austin
Jonathan - 30 Mar 2006 23:42 GMT
Greetings,

I've given some thought to a project similar to yours over the years and
have come to a personal opinion/conclusion that a pop-up is one of the most
difficult types of camping trailers to construct.  There are issues with
specialty lift systems, bed extension systems and supports, and making it
all weather-tight.  Not to mention the expense of custom canvas and what
would undoubtedly be a lot of custom fabrication.

You could take the advice offered here and find an old(er) pop-up and
rebuild it yourself, but an even easier project would be to purchase an old
enclosed trailer (like an old U-Haul) and convert it to a camper - at least
that would eliminate the problems with lift systems, bed extensions, etc.
One conversion that I came up with many years ago involved an old U-Haul
enclosed trailer that had sections of the side walls cut out that would fold
out and be supported from underneath for single beds on either side of the
camper.  The canvas system for the bunks is pretty basic, and the cutting
and reinforcing for the walls-turned-bunks when folded down is fairly simple
and easy to make weather-tight with overlapping edges and gaskets.  The bunk
supports are simple pipes held in place in square U-brakets and pins to
prevent them from dropping the bunks when loaded.

As for the rest of the interior it's just a matter of making cabinets and
seating, plumbing and electrical.  You can even mount an A/C unit on top if
you want to spend the $$$.

Just my two cents worth.

Cheers - Jonathan

> .
> Any help appreciated on where I can get some info on constructing a
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> be of help. I've done a fair bit of Googling but it isn't turning up much.
> TIA, Steve (in Aus)
QD Steve - 31 Mar 2006 03:29 GMT
> Greetings,
>
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> making it all weather-tight.  Not to mention the expense of custom canvas
> and what would undoubtedly be a lot of custom fabrication. <snip>

Thanks to all for your replies. I scoured the internet plus specialty
magazines and spent hours in used trailer (caravan) yards and have built up
quite a bit of knowledge.
I see the most difficult parts of construction are
(1) The chassis. A ladder type steel chassis is fairly easy to construct but
is weighty. The newer style of modular chassis is stronger and much lighter
but is also much more expensive.
(2) Roof. Making the pop-up looks complicated but if I can copy what the
manufacturers do it shouldn't be major hassle
(3) curved panel sections. Not that hard but fiddly.
(4) Fit out. Lots of fiddly carpentry but not a major headache.
(5) Plumbing, wiring etc. You need to plan very carefully because its damn
hard to put them in afterwards.
I see the side panels, floor and front and rear panels as the easiest part
of construction. There are several methods of doing these, the most common
being to construct a frame and line it inside and out with insulation in
between. The method I like best is to use plywood and a very light
non-structural frame, insulation (styrofoam) and sheet aluminium (aluminum).
These are sandwiched together with adhesive bonding all layers together
forming a strong, light structural panel. Each panel is made in full with
windows etc. cut out afterwards and assembled on the chassis.
If I go ahead with this project, I'll keep the group posted and post links
to pics.
Steve W (in Aus)
Chris Cowles - 31 Mar 2006 04:11 GMT
> If I go ahead with this project, I'll keep the group posted and post
> links to pics.

May I ask a question I think others have on their minds: Why build one?
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Nobody - 08 Apr 2006 05:31 GMT
>> If I go ahead with this project, I'll keep the group posted and post
>> links to pics.
>
> May I ask a question I think others have on their minds: Why build one?

I have been thinking I would like a pop up myself. I actually like the
trailmanor. I would prefer a popup with no canvas to rot, leak, tear or move
around in high wind. Now to the question. Why build one? If he is like me. I
feel pu are a little pricy and if you don't have the cash laying around.
Plus you already have the tools and spare time, you can build one for half
the price. go to scrap yard and buy the tubing. Even new steal around hear
is fairly cheap. For the frame all you would really need is an electric
welder, band saw, gas welder would be a plus but not needed with band saw.
and some basic carpenter tools. I think the axles would be the hardest thing
to find. If I was going to do that. I would try to keep it simple and just
make a camper that was not a pop up. That would be easier then making all
the lift components. But with a little planning, should not be to
complicated. If in need of ideas just go to a dealer and check out the one
on the lot to see how they work. I would not tell them what you were really
doing :)
QD Steve - 10 Apr 2006 00:46 GMT
> I have been thinking I would like a pop up myself. I actually like the
> trailmanor. . . . <snip>

For those of you that are still following this thread.

Why build one?

Several reasons. A vist to the Caravan & Camping show recently held in my
home town of Adelaide (Aus) showcased many brands of travel trailers. Brand
'A' had a stunning feature but no other brand could use it because it is
patented. Same with brand 'C' & 'D' etc. By home building a van, I can
incorporate all these good ideas into one van.

For the frame (chassis) I have purchased a wreck. The body is pretty well
shot but the frame is hot dipped galvanized and is still like new. The
two-way fridge is in new condition, the windows and doors are in good
condition, so is the roof vent hatch. Wheels, tires and bearings need
replacing so does the hitch but this is not too expensive.

I will be constructing a frameless body, except for the corners, relying
instead on the strong bond of high tech modern adhesives between the 0.8mm
aluminum sheet, construction grade styrofoam (19Kg/M3) and the 3 ply inside
panelling. This will produce a strong very light body frame at 9Kg/M2. When
I say frameless, it will have internal studwork for attaching cupboards etc.
but these studs will have little bearing on the structural integrity.

I have a website and will post progress pictures of the project.

Nothing up there at the moment but keep your eye on www.blogadelaide.com

Steve W (in Aus)
Nobody - 10 Apr 2006 06:19 GMT
>> I have been thinking I would like a pop up myself. I actually like the
>> trailmanor. . . . <snip>

light body frame at 9Kg/M2. When
> I say frameless, it will have internal studwork for attaching cupboards
> etc. but these studs will have little bearing on the structural integrity.
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>
> Steve W (in Aus)

That sounds like the same concept trailmanor uses. They say no lumber is
used at all. Even the counters are made of foam between what ever they use
for countertop. They say its as strong as a standard countertop but not as
heavy. If I'm not mistaken the whole camper is built on that idea from floor
to roof. but starting price is 25k I think.

They have a downloadable video on their website. I'm interested in seeing
how you come along. Thanks for the link. I will be checking it out at times.
 
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