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Constructing a pop-up
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QD Steve - 28 Mar 2006 23:11 GMT . Any help appreciated on where I can get some info on constructing a pop-up. This would be either from scratch or from a pre-constructed professionally made chassis. If I can get a lead on various web-sites or from any other area that may be of help. I've done a fair bit of Googling but it isn't turning up much. TIA, Steve (in Aus)
Spogatz - 29 Mar 2006 01:23 GMT I wouldn't recommend it. Find an old popup and REbuild it as you would like. I have seen many of these done that have come out great.
QD Steve - 29 Mar 2006 02:20 GMT >I wouldn't recommend it. Find an old popup and REbuild it as you would > like. I have seen many of these done that have come out great. Thanks for good advice. Again, any pointers (web sites) that will help with tips on re-builds would be useful. Steve W (in Aus)
Chris Cowles - 29 Mar 2006 02:46 GMT >>I wouldn't recommend it. Find an old popup and REbuild it as you would >> like. I have seen many of these done that have come out great. >> > Thanks for good advice. Again, any pointers (web sites) that will help > with tips on re-builds would be useful. > Steve W (in Aus) Most importantly in my opinion, start with a pop-up that has a good roof, good canvas, no rust and no water damage. The rest is carpentry and hardware.
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asadi - 29 Mar 2006 13:16 GMT "Chris Cowles"
> Most importantly in my opinion, start with a pop-up that has a good roof, > good canvas, no rust and no water damage. The rest is carpentry and > hardware. That's pretty much it. If you are handy at all you really shouldn't have any problem. If you have grandiose plans (to the extent that you need a website for guidance) you are probably waay over your head...
john
Chris Cowles - 29 Mar 2006 18:22 GMT > That's pretty much it. If you are handy at all you really shouldn't have > any problem. If you have grandiose plans (to the extent that you need a > website for guidance) you are probably waay over your head... That's true, but many correspondents post links to pics illustrating useful ideas. The OP should browse this group in Google for past threads on the topic.
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AustinMN - 30 Mar 2006 14:34 GMT QD Steve asked:
> Any help appreciated on where I can get some info on constructing a pop-up. I would ask this question in three other places in order to get better response: <http://www.arveeclub.com> (despite the name, dedicated to pop-ups for the time being) <http://www.popupexplorer.com> <http://www.popupportal.com>
The reason I suggest asking there is that I have seen the kind of sites you are looking for. Someone would have links. In addition, there are lots of people with sites about modifications to their pop-up, some of which might be useful to you.
My own approach would be to find a pop-up that is being sold as "chassis only" or "utility trailer only" and start with that. If you can get a roof and lift system, great. But pop-ups didn't always have roofs, and so a 100% tent roof could also work, eliminating the need for a lift system.
Austin
Jonathan - 30 Mar 2006 23:42 GMT Greetings,
I've given some thought to a project similar to yours over the years and have come to a personal opinion/conclusion that a pop-up is one of the most difficult types of camping trailers to construct. There are issues with specialty lift systems, bed extension systems and supports, and making it all weather-tight. Not to mention the expense of custom canvas and what would undoubtedly be a lot of custom fabrication.
You could take the advice offered here and find an old(er) pop-up and rebuild it yourself, but an even easier project would be to purchase an old enclosed trailer (like an old U-Haul) and convert it to a camper - at least that would eliminate the problems with lift systems, bed extensions, etc. One conversion that I came up with many years ago involved an old U-Haul enclosed trailer that had sections of the side walls cut out that would fold out and be supported from underneath for single beds on either side of the camper. The canvas system for the bunks is pretty basic, and the cutting and reinforcing for the walls-turned-bunks when folded down is fairly simple and easy to make weather-tight with overlapping edges and gaskets. The bunk supports are simple pipes held in place in square U-brakets and pins to prevent them from dropping the bunks when loaded.
As for the rest of the interior it's just a matter of making cabinets and seating, plumbing and electrical. You can even mount an A/C unit on top if you want to spend the $$$.
Just my two cents worth.
Cheers - Jonathan
> . > Any help appreciated on where I can get some info on constructing a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > be of help. I've done a fair bit of Googling but it isn't turning up much. > TIA, Steve (in Aus) QD Steve - 31 Mar 2006 03:29 GMT > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > making it all weather-tight. Not to mention the expense of custom canvas > and what would undoubtedly be a lot of custom fabrication. <snip> Thanks to all for your replies. I scoured the internet plus specialty magazines and spent hours in used trailer (caravan) yards and have built up quite a bit of knowledge. I see the most difficult parts of construction are (1) The chassis. A ladder type steel chassis is fairly easy to construct but is weighty. The newer style of modular chassis is stronger and much lighter but is also much more expensive. (2) Roof. Making the pop-up looks complicated but if I can copy what the manufacturers do it shouldn't be major hassle (3) curved panel sections. Not that hard but fiddly. (4) Fit out. Lots of fiddly carpentry but not a major headache. (5) Plumbing, wiring etc. You need to plan very carefully because its damn hard to put them in afterwards. I see the side panels, floor and front and rear panels as the easiest part of construction. There are several methods of doing these, the most common being to construct a frame and line it inside and out with insulation in between. The method I like best is to use plywood and a very light non-structural frame, insulation (styrofoam) and sheet aluminium (aluminum). These are sandwiched together with adhesive bonding all layers together forming a strong, light structural panel. Each panel is made in full with windows etc. cut out afterwards and assembled on the chassis. If I go ahead with this project, I'll keep the group posted and post links to pics. Steve W (in Aus)
Chris Cowles - 31 Mar 2006 04:11 GMT > If I go ahead with this project, I'll keep the group posted and post > links to pics. May I ask a question I think others have on their minds: Why build one?
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Nobody - 08 Apr 2006 05:31 GMT >> If I go ahead with this project, I'll keep the group posted and post >> links to pics. > > May I ask a question I think others have on their minds: Why build one? I have been thinking I would like a pop up myself. I actually like the trailmanor. I would prefer a popup with no canvas to rot, leak, tear or move around in high wind. Now to the question. Why build one? If he is like me. I feel pu are a little pricy and if you don't have the cash laying around. Plus you already have the tools and spare time, you can build one for half the price. go to scrap yard and buy the tubing. Even new steal around hear is fairly cheap. For the frame all you would really need is an electric welder, band saw, gas welder would be a plus but not needed with band saw. and some basic carpenter tools. I think the axles would be the hardest thing to find. If I was going to do that. I would try to keep it simple and just make a camper that was not a pop up. That would be easier then making all the lift components. But with a little planning, should not be to complicated. If in need of ideas just go to a dealer and check out the one on the lot to see how they work. I would not tell them what you were really doing :)
QD Steve - 10 Apr 2006 00:46 GMT > I have been thinking I would like a pop up myself. I actually like the > trailmanor. . . . <snip> For those of you that are still following this thread.
Why build one?
Several reasons. A vist to the Caravan & Camping show recently held in my home town of Adelaide (Aus) showcased many brands of travel trailers. Brand 'A' had a stunning feature but no other brand could use it because it is patented. Same with brand 'C' & 'D' etc. By home building a van, I can incorporate all these good ideas into one van.
For the frame (chassis) I have purchased a wreck. The body is pretty well shot but the frame is hot dipped galvanized and is still like new. The two-way fridge is in new condition, the windows and doors are in good condition, so is the roof vent hatch. Wheels, tires and bearings need replacing so does the hitch but this is not too expensive.
I will be constructing a frameless body, except for the corners, relying instead on the strong bond of high tech modern adhesives between the 0.8mm aluminum sheet, construction grade styrofoam (19Kg/M3) and the 3 ply inside panelling. This will produce a strong very light body frame at 9Kg/M2. When I say frameless, it will have internal studwork for attaching cupboards etc. but these studs will have little bearing on the structural integrity.
I have a website and will post progress pictures of the project.
Nothing up there at the moment but keep your eye on www.blogadelaide.com
Steve W (in Aus)
Nobody - 10 Apr 2006 06:19 GMT >> I have been thinking I would like a pop up myself. I actually like the >> trailmanor. . . . <snip> light body frame at 9Kg/M2. When
> I say frameless, it will have internal studwork for attaching cupboards > etc. but these studs will have little bearing on the structural integrity. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Steve W (in Aus) That sounds like the same concept trailmanor uses. They say no lumber is used at all. Even the counters are made of foam between what ever they use for countertop. They say its as strong as a standard countertop but not as heavy. If I'm not mistaken the whole camper is built on that idea from floor to roof. but starting price is 25k I think.
They have a downloadable video on their website. I'm interested in seeing how you come along. Thanks for the link. I will be checking it out at times.
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