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Chuck James - 08 Aug 2006 07:05 GMT
How much difference will an A/C equipped Pop-Up make compared to one without
it?  Or I guess more importantly, if it is really hot, say 100 degrees
outside, how cool will it be in the pop-up?  No shade?  Some shade?
Tommy's Computer - 08 Aug 2006 15:56 GMT
> How much difference will an A/C equipped Pop-Up make compared to one without
> it?  Or I guess more importantly, if it is really hot, say 100 degrees
> outside, how cool will it be in the pop-up?  No shade?  Some shade?

I makes a huge difference. Here in Memphis an A/C is a must for sumer
camping. We have never needed a heater even while camping in January but
A/C is used from May-Sept. It puts out so much cold air even when we
were in the full sun a couple of weeks ago it was cool inside even
though it was 100 outside and who knows how hot it was in the sun. Kids
could still take a comfortable nap during the middle of the day. It will
freeze you out during the evening once the outside temps drop into the
lower 80s/upper 70s. Not good to run them on low though because they
have a problem about freezing up.
Chuck James - 10 Aug 2006 06:50 GMT
I pick it up tomorrow.  Don't the A/C units have a thermostat?

>> How much difference will an A/C equipped Pop-Up make compared to one
>> without it?  Or I guess more importantly, if it is really hot, say 100
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> 80s/upper 70s. Not good to run them on low though because they have a
> problem about freezing up.
Jim Redelfs - 10 Aug 2006 11:55 GMT
> I pick it up tomorrow.

Cool!  Bring your camera!   :)

> Don't the A/C units have a thermostat?

Yes.
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Linkd@mindspring.com - 09 Aug 2006 11:05 GMT
>How much difference will an A/C equipped Pop-Up make compared to one without
>it?  Or I guess more importantly, if it is really hot, say 100 degrees
>outside, how cool will it be in the pop-up?  No shade?  Some shade?

Careful you may get jumped on by the die hards who think AC is for
wimps.  I live in a mobile home and it is an older trailer and was
made when fuel was cheap.  The new mobile home are so much more
efficient on temp control.  I also own a 2005 popup and made sure it
had air condition.  Just came back from the Wisconsin Dells on a 8 day
stay with daughter and 3 grandkids and the temp was around a hundred
for most of the time plus the humidity was horrible.  The AC was a
life saver and since the electric site was paid for I ran it almost
continually even when not in it.  I really think the AC helped in
keeping food, not in the refrig like bread and such, from going bad.

I also talked to a couple of popup owners on either side of me and
they were getting not relief even at night since there was no breeze
and the humidity was to high.  I think if you are worried about high
temputures then the AC in a necessity.

One poster replied that if it was to hot then do not camp.  Such a
foolish statement when a lot of camping trips are plan far in advance
when site are advailable and vacations times.  Unless you plan on
camping in primitive sites you will pay for electric no matter whether
you use it or not so the AC electric is basically free.  Again, if you
can camp when you want or have only a couple of persons to worry about
and the heat does not bother you then you may get along without it.  

The costs of installing AC is less when you buy it with the camper or
about $700 installing it on an existing camper.  There is also and
option that retailers like Pep Boys or Walmart sell that is a portable
unit that sits on the floor and can do an excellent job depending on
the size.
Chuck James - 10 Aug 2006 06:53 GMT
I pick it up tomorrow, and it has A/C already installed.  I was really just
asking if the A/C would keep a Pop-Up cool in 100 degree weather, since we
want to take it out for a trial right away.

>>How much difference will an A/C equipped Pop-Up make compared to one
>>without
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> unit that sits on the floor and can do an excellent job depending on
> the size.
Jim Redelfs - 10 Aug 2006 11:45 GMT
> Careful you may get jumped on by the die hards
> who think AC is for wimps.

Jumped on?  You haven't posted on usenet for very long, have you?

Karl and I, IIRC, were the ONLY TWO to depart from the widely-held view that
A/C, even on a popup camper, is nice and, to many, virtually required.

We didn't flame anyone although Karl got slightly "toasted" when his outlook
was disagreed with.

> One poster replied that if it was to hot then do not camp.

I recall it was more like my usual sentiment to those that cannot camp without
an electrical hookup:  If it is so hot that I can't camp without air
conditioning, I find a site that has a hookup OR I stay home.  Fortunately, I
haven't had to test my commitment to that philosophy.

> Such a foolish statement when a lot of camping trips are plan
> far in advance when site are advailable and vacations times.

...and it all depends on AIR CONDITIONING?!??  Sheesh!   :\

What did you do when you were TENTING?  We managed to do that - ALL SEASON -
without air conditioning.  During the hottest parts of the day, we hung around
in our skivvies and simply followed the shade by moving our chairs (and porta
crib and high chairs, etc) to stay cool.

I planned the purchase of our popup for five YEARS before I finally ordered
it.  The only two options I chose NOT to get were the shower and air
conditioning.  I declined the shower due to the interior space it would
consume.  I declined the air conditioner due to the up-front CO$T and from the
simple concept that I was going to STILL be in a tent, albeit on wheels.

Obviously, where one lives and will do most of their camping will dictate the
"need" for an air conditioned tent.  We needed - and used - the furnace
countless more times than I would have enjoyed A/C.

You can interpret being presented with an opposing viewpoint as being "jumped
on" and discount it as putting ones foot in their mouth and "foolish" until
the cows come home.  I retain my opinion, thank-you.
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Mark Jones - 10 Aug 2006 12:55 GMT
>> Careful you may get jumped on by the die hards
>> who think AC is for wimps.
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> view that A/C, even on a popup camper, is nice and, to many,
> virtually required.

There is no way that I would have purchased mine if it
didn't have A/C. That was an absolute requirement.
Richard Thomas - 20 Sep 2006 02:24 GMT
>Obviously, where one lives and will do most of their camping will dictate the
>"need" for an air conditioned tent.  We needed - and used - the furnace
>countless more times than I would have enjoyed A/C.

I suspect that if you are out in the heat, you quickly adjusts to it.
If you is in and out of an air-conditioned environment all the time,
you don't get used to the heat and that makes having air conditioning
a self-fulfilling requirement.

That said, I am intending to install AC on my popup. :)

Rich
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Tomes - 21 Sep 2006 02:38 GMT
>>Obviously, where one lives and will do most of their camping will dictate
>>the
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> you don't get used to the heat and that makes having air conditioning
> a self-fulfilling requirement.

After the first year of having AC in my popup following years of not having
it I will say that it made a very big difference in sleeping at night, when
we plugged in.  There is nothing better (I now believe) than being able to
get out of the humidity to sleep.  I am now spoiled....
Tomes
Paul - 09 Aug 2006 14:10 GMT
I have a coleman mach 15 15,000 BTU unit. We camped at the NJ shore for
the 4th of july weekend an AC was needed. It was hot and humid out side
and nice and cool inside. If we ran it on high I bet we could make
snow. This was in partial shade. It was so humid that the water from
the AC was a constant "pee" off the pop-up.

> How much difference will an A/C equipped Pop-Up make compared to one without
> it?  Or I guess more importantly, if it is really hot, say 100 degrees
> outside, how cool will it be in the pop-up?  No shade?  Some shade?
Chuck James - 10 Aug 2006 06:54 GMT
Thanks!  That's what I needed to know.

>I have a coleman mach 15 15,000 BTU unit. We camped at the NJ shore for
> the 4th of july weekend an AC was needed. It was hot and humid out side
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>> it?  Or I guess more importantly, if it is really hot, say 100 degrees
>> outside, how cool will it be in the pop-up?  No shade?  Some shade?
Rich256 - 20 Sep 2006 02:55 GMT
> I have a coleman mach 15 15,000 BTU unit. We camped at the NJ shore for
> the 4th of july weekend an AC was needed. It was hot and humid out side
> and nice and cool inside. If we ran it on high I bet we could make
> snow. This was in partial shade. It was so humid that the water from
> the AC was a constant "pee" off the pop-up.

I have found that Air Conditioners produce better results in humid
conditions.  The humidity in the air keeps the suns rays from getting
the unit as hot.  For example a unit may work great under the humid NJ
shore conditions but be completely inadequate in hot dry western
campgrounds.  I have noted this especially with cars.

With an insulated travel trailer parked in full sun with 100 degree, 5%
humidity, in Colorado, a rather large Air Conditioner couldn't keep up
with the heat intake.  Yet in full sun, Missouri 100 degree heat with
70% humidity it worked wonderfully.  Similar continuous condensed water
being ejected.
 
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