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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / September 2006Trailer Wiring Harness and No Brake Light Condition
Hi to all... After a camping hiatus of about, oh... 40 years, I've purchased a used pop up ('00 Jayco Quest 10X). My tow vehicle is my "take the dog to the vet, pick up bags of peat moss at the greenhouse" 1993 Jeep Cherokee with way too many miles on it. Anyway... the trailer light wiring on the vehicle is the "flat 4" which seems to work perfectly well with my 8' "go to the dump" trailer. But yesterday when I picked up the camper from the guy I bought it from, I had no brake lights (the flat 4 hooks into a Jayco wiring assembly that, in turn, connects to the camper with a "square 6" configuration). What do you think is the problem and what is the fix? Thanks in advance for any assistance! Mark > Hi to all... > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thanks in advance for any assistance! First question: Does the trailer have electric brakes? If so you need at at least 6 pin. And will need a brake controller and associated wiring. If you need a controller I found the best price at: http://www.rjays.com/ Get a Tekonsha brand. Preferably Prodigy but even the Envoy is a good unit. If no electric brake but have a trailer battery and if you want to be able to keep it charged when driving and to be able to run a 12 volt option refrigerator you will need to adapt the Jeep to at least a 6 pin connector. Some information here on 6 pin connectors: http://www.etrailer.com/faq/wiring.asp You will have to trace out the trailer wires to be certain where they are hooked. The most common is 7 pin: http://marksrv.com/wiring.htm If you are going to adapt I suggest going 7 pin on both the trailer and Jeep. >> Hi to all... >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >If you are going to adapt I suggest going 7 pin on both the trailer and >Jeep. Thanks for the quick reply... It does not appear to have brakes. Question, however... in doing a little looking around here on the web, I'm seeing something called a "converter". What are these? What do they do? Thanks again! Mark Thanks. >>> Hi to all... >>> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > Thanks. A converter is basically a 12 volt power supply. When plugged into 110 VAC it will supply 12 volts to the interior of the trailer and charge a battery if you have one. Does it have a battery? And is there a cable to plug into 110? Look at inside of the wheels. If there are wires running into the wheels you have electric brakes. >>>> Hi to all... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] >Look at inside of the wheels. If there are wires running into the >wheels you have electric brakes. Hey again, Rich... I'll check the wheels tomorrow in the daylight to see for sure. I took a peek under there today, albeit brief, and it sure didn't look too much like there was anything like brakes on it... but I'll check again to make sure. Regarding the converter, tho... I know what you're talking about with regard to powering up the camper. My Jayco has a converter built into it. What I'm referring to, though, is a converter for trailer wiring hookups. Mark >>>>> Hi to all... >>>>> >>>>> After a camping hiatus of about, oh... 40 years, I've purchased a snip >>A converter is basically a 12 volt power supply. When plugged into 110 >>VAC it will supply 12 volts to the interior of the trailer and charge a [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Mark I believe you are referring to the device that adapts the foreign scheme of separate brake-signal lights to the American combined brake-signal lights; which of course you don't need with the Jeep. And by the way, many of the 12 volt converters do not charge the battery, but some do. Dale >>>>> Hi to all... >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > > Mark There is a converter for European and Japanese cars. The ones with separate turn signal lights and brake lights. Combines them to work the single trailer bulb ones. Had one on an Aerostar and worked fine. >>>>> Hi to all... >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > Mark Another indication of if you have electric brakes would be if it has a break away switch. A little box with a steel cable that attaches to the tow vehicle. If the trailer breaks from the tow vehicle a pin is pulled closing a switch that puts 12 volts from the trailer battery to the trailer brakes. Nothing special on your wiring. If you notice the one site has Jeep color code for trailer wires. http://www.etrailer.com/faq/wiring.asp 12 volt and brakes are separate unless it came with a full trailer package. I am going to assume the trailer is wired for 12 volt power for the battery. That means you will need to at least put a square 6 pin connector on the Jeep. You will undoubtedly need a 12 volt line from the Jeep battery. Run a fused 10 gauge wire and make certain you have at least a 10 gauge ground wire. If your refrigerator has the 12 volt option and you plan to run it when driving you will need a good supply. On 12 volts the refrig. will drain your trailer battery in a short time. And another note, if you are not familiar with RV refrigerators. Read up on them. Don't operate parked when not near level because it is possible to plug the refrigerant lines destroying the unit. >>>>>> Hi to all... >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] >up on them. Don't operate parked when not near level because it is >possible to plug the refrigerant lines destroying the unit. Thanks for all of the tips, Rich. I think I need to go out and do a little homework on my equipment, now. Will report back when I have a diagnosis. Thanks again! Mark >>>>>>> Hi to all... >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 120 lines] > > Mark Just rewire the sucker to you car configuration and all wil be cool - send thetwo to a auto elect and let him worry! >>>>>>>> Hi to all... >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 119 lines] > Just rewire the sucker to you car configuration and all wil be cool - send > thetwo to a auto elect and let him worry! 1. If he needs brakes and battery charge he has to change the car. 2. If he sends it to a auto elect he misses all the fun (and pays all the $$). RANT > >>>>>>>> purchased a used pop up > [***MASSIVE*** snippage] 147 lines in the message, including much 8th-generation quoting (and 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd & first generation there in its entirety) and three, count 'em THREE, lines of new stuff at the end of THREE screensful of OLD, multi-generational quotes. Three lines out of 147. Sheesh. :( The IDGAF approach to posting to newsgroups just bugs me no end. Is it REALLY that bothersome to DELETE the old stuff so we don't have to see it over and over and OVER and OVER again? For the last few articles in this thread, I had to PAGE DOWN to get to the few lines of NEW text. As a rule, I just skip an article if there is no NEW stuff within the first screenful of text. Too bad as I assume you believe your words are worth posting and, therefore, assume you hope they are read by others. I'm not looking for perfection. I don't even care if one's grammar and usage isn't very good, but fer pete's sake: Take the mouse, select a few lines of reminder text, DELETE the rest, then add your reply. Not too tough. <sigh> JR I would rather have NO quoting since pulling-up past articles is very simple. /RANT > RANT > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > I would rather have NO quoting since pulling-up past articles is very simple. > /RANT And I have read complaints from readers that complain because they have to page back through multiple messages to follow the thread. I have never seen any protocol about responding. I do have my options set to put me to the bottom of the thread. I agree some editing would have been in line for the last post as it really didn't have much of anything to do with the thread. > > RANT > >[RANT snipped] > And I have read complaints from readers that complain because they have > to page back through multiple messages to follow the thread. Sure, but there is a compromise. Include enough text to show context and delete the rest. In The Olde Days, the news software would not allow you to post a message that contained more than 50% quoted text. > I have > never seen any protocol about responding. I do have my options set to > put me to the bottom of the thread. Good choice. I'm not fond of top-posting, > I agree some editing would have been in line for the last post as it > really didn't have much of anything to do with the thread. And that's why Jim changed the subject to "OT No Editing Rant". I think his request is reasonable. >Sure, but there is a compromise. Include enough text to show context >and delete the rest. In The Olde Days, the news software would not >allow you to post a message that contained more than 50% quoted text. > >And that's why Jim changed the subject to "OT No Editing Rant". I >think his request is reasonable. I snip a lot as well. Although I have seen on some newsgroups the protocol is to always leave everything in every post. I find that to be a PITA, especially when it is a "me too" response. I bottom post--but I can see where a "me too" top post would allow me to skip the rest of the post... Mark "Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't" > I can see where a "me too" top post would allow me to skip > the rest of the post... Well, if they're going to be lazy and improper, there's no reason to not go for the whole enchilada: Leave the incredibly annoying 3 screensful of 8th generation quotes and TOP POST <gag> your equally frustrating few NEW words. FWIW, it takes much restraint on my part to not complain more often about "netiquette". ANY more often and I would qualify as "net nanny" - one of the things about usenet that I dislike even more than improper/no quoting. I thank you and everyone else for your indulgence.  Signature:) JR You are welcome 8-) Mark "Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't" >> I can see where a "me too" top post would allow me to skip >> the rest of the post... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >I thank you and everyone else for your indulgence. (top posted because I'm lazy) At the risk of being more irreverent than usual, http://www.davisbaja.com/images/arguing.jpg >You are welcome 8-) > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >>I thank you and everyone else for your indulgence. Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm > At the risk of being more irreverent than usual, > http://www.davisbaja.com/images/arguing.jpg ARGH!! [sputter] Now THAT's funny! :) JR Signature:) JR I prefer top posting with proper quoting anyways! Same way the business world replies to emails. Don't care what the net nanny's say. It works for me so phhhhttttt!! > (top posted because I'm lazy) > I prefer top posting with proper quoting anyways! Same way the business > world replies to emails. Yeah? Well, we were doing it FIRST - at the bottom. It wasn't until Microslop defaulted Outlook to place the reply at the top did the practice proliferate. > Don't care what the net nanny's say. It works for me so phhhhttttt!! In that case, nevermind! <bg> JR >> I prefer top posting with proper quoting anyways! Same way the business >> world replies to emails. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > <bg> > JR I generally follow whatever that particular NG does (just to not start a fight), but I prefer top posting as it eliminates the problems that have plagued our friend Jim here, and it is how the rest of the world communicates today. Not all NGs prefer bottom posting. The Jeep NGs are 3 examples of top posting NGs. Tomes >> I prefer top posting with proper quoting anyways! Same way the business >> world replies to emails. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > <bg> > JR Bottom posting was the default as we used KSR33's for I/O. > Bottom posting was the default as we used KSR33's for I/O. lol, kinda hard to top post on a teletype printout. > Bottom posting was the default as we used KSR33's for I/O. OK, Grandpa! FidoNet (Fight-O-Net) was built on the human model - as "human" as a computer communication system could be back then: You spoke, I replied. Not the other way around. Quoting was required because of the different ways a given message might be used to move around the network. Rarely, but occasionally, the REPLY would arrive BEFORE the original message. Editing was required because your words were being disseminated - at a screaming 1200 baud - using a long distance dial-up call - at the out-of-pocket expense of the operator of the Bulletin Board System you used. In some ways, I miss the old days. My time at the keyboard is as valuable to me now as it ever was. It is a LOT harder now to "separate the wheat from the chaff" when perusing my favorite newsgroups considering the different posting styles and those that won't trim their quotes. I want to read THEIR words. Having to wade through all that "noise" (multi-generational quotes that should have been deleted from a reply - and therefore the subsequent replies - LONG ago) is a particular annoyance to me. Obviously, I must deal with it - and do - or I wouldn't still be here... OH!! Awright, who kicked my soapbox? Signature:) JR >> Bottom posting was the default as we used KSR33's for I/O. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > and do > - or I wouldn't still be here... OH!! Awright, who kicked my soapbox? Not a Grandpa, just old. Youngest daughter at 30 got married 2 weeks ago, so may be working on the Grandpa part. I was on Arpanet and others. I am 63 and started on Mainframes with NCR Corp when I was 20. First on the nets at System Industries (disk controllers for the DEC world) in about 1980. Just old. >> Bottom posting was the default as we used KSR33's for I/O. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > and do > - or I wouldn't still be here... OH!! Awright, who kicked my soapbox? While working on mainframes while going to college for my degree, I maintained an online banking center in San Francisco. We had lease lines all the way to the Canadian border and to Salt Lake city. 110 BAUD. When they came out with the first 1200 baud modem, we were blown away. > OK, Grandpa! FidoNet (Fight-O-Net) Fight? When I used FidoNet there was rarely any arguments, spam, or other BS in echos. It was almost entirely hobbiests with a common interest in computers. Once the internet went public with the general masses the floodgates opened up and the crap came flying in full speed. >> Bottom posting was the default as we used KSR33's for I/O. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > out-of-pocket expense of the operator of the Bulletin Board System you > used. Well, of course at first 300bps modems were used, I was a late bloomer and didn't get into FidoNet until the new "High Speed" 2400bps modems were out. > In some ways, I miss the old days. I am sure in other ways you do not. <ring> <ring> "Jim, is the BBS down?" "Oh my god, it is! Drop everything honey, I need to spend the next two hours tweaking the modem string to make sure that anyone who calls in can use my computer for free." > My time at the keyboard is as valuable > to > me now as it ever was. You probably spend less time on the computer than you did in the "good old days" ™ > It is a LOT harder now to "separate the wheat from > the chaff" when perusing my favorite newsgroups considering the different > posting > styles and those that won't trim their quotes. Personally, I prefer in-line quoting, it makes it easier to read responses to verbose posts. Of course, having a meaningful reply is always a good thing, scrolling through X number of pages to see, "Great!", or "Me too!" is annoying. > I want to read THEIR > words. Having to wade through all that "noise" (multi-generational quotes [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and do > - or I wouldn't still be here... OH!! Awright, who kicked my soapbox? At least here, most of the replies are of value, I've learned quite a bit from this group, and hopefully I have put <b>some</b> stuff here that others could learn from. SignatureKarl & Angela `02 Durango `05 Fleetwood Allegiance > .............. when perusing my favorite newsgroups............... > :) > JR This made me wonder what other NGs you and all of us frequent in Usenet or maybe on websites too. Since we have a common bond here as camping trailer pullers I am thinking that there is a good chance that we have commonality in NGs or we can be turned on to other NGs or forums that we might have never heard of. I know I am looking for other interesting to me stuff. I figure it is worth a shot... Tomes Here are what I have on my list: First tier, check daily: alt.home.lawn.garden alt.jeep-l alt.rec.camping alt.rv alt.rv.pop-up-trailers misc.consumers.house rec.autos.jeep rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys rec.crafts.glass rec.music.makers.dulcimer rec.outdoors.camping Second tier, check occasionally: alt.autos.toyota alt.bass alt.drwho alt.fan.asprin alt.fan.douglas-adams alt.fan.pratchett alt.home.repair (too big) rec.autos.4x4 rec.music.folk rec.music.folk.tablature >> .............. when perusing my favorite newsgroups............... >> :) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >figure it is worth a shot... >Tomes Interesting question.... and one that re-affirms my post a while back about "off topic" posts helping keep a group alive "off season"... alt.autos.4x4.chevy-trucks alt.autos.dodge.trucks alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking rec.crafts.woodturning rec.woodworking Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm For NG's, I keep up with alt.autos.dodge (have a 92 Dodge Caravan) and alt.autos.isuzu (94 and 02 Isuzu Troopers) as well as this group. Over on Yahoo Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com), I keep up with RVing, ClassicRV, and ACG (Argus camera Collector's Group), along with a few other odds & ends that don't get much traffic. Wesley > This made me wonder what other NGs you and all of us frequent in Usenet or > maybe on websites too. Since we have a common bond here as camping trailer [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > figure it is worth a shot... > Tomes >> Bottom posting was the default as we used KSR33's for I/O. > >OK, Grandpa! FidoNet (Fight-O-Net) was built on the human model - as "human" >as a computer communication system could be back then: You spoke, I replied. >Not the other way around. Hand braces were used to drill holes, too... but mines in a box somewhere.... If older means right or better, then I must be right a LOT! *eg* Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm With FidoNet we tended to top post echos (news groups) as well as emails. This predates the Internet and Outlook by over a decade. Bottom posting seemed to be a big issue once usenet entered the public domain. It's been an argument ever since. Doesn't really matter to me as long as proper quoting is used. Not enough of an issue to worry about. > Yeah? Well, we were doing it FIRST - at the bottom. It wasn't until > Microslop defaulted Outlook to place the reply at the top did the practice > proliferate. > Not enough of an issue to worry about. I keep telling myself that. It's only a newsgroup. It's only a newsgroup. It's only a... Signature:) JR > It's only a newsgroup. It's only a newsgroup. It's only a... Sometimes people take things in a newsgroup or in chat (IRC etc.) was too seriously. I have trouble getting upset at a nickname on a screen. |
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