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KidThrifty - 28 Oct 2006 17:23 GMT
Hello,
I am in the market for a pop up.  The one I have my eye on is an older 1990
model that is priced above NADA but it's very well maintained and has a new
fridge and aftermarket porta potty.
It doesn't have a few things I want though.  Namely an awning and an indoor
shower.
For those of you who camp a lot, is not having an indoor shower a big deal?
Do most campgrounds offer showers?
Is there any place to get an aftermarket potty shower combo and easily
install it?
What about awnings?  Or would you suggest just buying an cheap stand alone
pop up shade cover?
Thanks
Junk Man - 28 Oct 2006 17:43 GMT
I don't think the shower will be a big deal not to have.  I've been
camping for years now and have always used the campgrounds showers.
Not all are great but you can get clean.  As for the potty I just got a
portable one I use when I have to get up in the night, otherwise I go
to the shower house.  The camper I bought  a couple of years ago has an
awing.  I love it!  I think you can buy them seperately and have them
installed.  A 1990 camper is quite old.  I personally would give it a
very good going over before buying.  When set up, get on the beds and
see if it sags much.  Have someone open and close the door when doing
this. The door should operate normally.  Also look under the camper at
the floor.  Just to make sure it's okay.  Make the guy an offer for
what you think it's worth.  If he doesn't take it there will always be
another.  You don't have to have it RIGHT NOW do you.  Good luck.

> Hello,
> I am in the market for a pop up.  The one I have my eye on is an older 1990
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> pop up shade cover?
> Thanks
asadi - 29 Oct 2006 14:25 GMT
>I don't think the shower will be a big deal not to have.  I've been
> camping for years now and have always used the campgrounds showers.
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> what you think it's worth.  If he doesn't take it there will always be
> another.  You don't have to have it RIGHT NOW do you.  Good luck.

Now matter the condition, I would never pay above nada for a 16+ year old
camper...

jjohn
KidThrifty - 29 Oct 2006 16:38 GMT
Well, remember that the online NADA values are average retail value.  Many
things should be considered.  Like. condition and location.  I am going to
pay about $500 over average NADA retail.  The camper is in immaculate
condition and has a new refrigerator.  All the records have been maintained
and original owners manuals kept.  This is a one owner camper.  The owner
has also agreed to deliver it about 70 miles for free.  Also,  I live in
Texas where any camper in good condition goes for more than NADA.  I've been
looking at them now for almost 2 years so I speak from experience.
All things considered, I feel pretty good about the deal I'm getting.

>>I don't think the shower will be a big deal not to have.  I've been
>> camping for years now and have always used the campgrounds showers.
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>
> jjohn
Chris Cowles - 29 Oct 2006 18:13 GMT
Be careful to look for signs of hidden water damage. If the seller is as
careful as you describe, it's unlikely. However, there may be damage of
which they're unaware. Poke around with a screwdriver on the underside of
the floor. Do something similar but non-damaging on the ceiling, especially
around any roof penetrations, and along the bottom edge.
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> Well, remember that the online NADA values are average retail value.
> Many things should be considered.  Like. condition and location.  I am
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> from experience.
> All things considered, I feel pretty good about the deal I'm getting.
Chris Cowles - 29 Oct 2006 18:11 GMT
Does that mean 'never pay above nada' or 'never pay above NADA'? Both could
be valid.
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> Now matter the condition, I would never pay above nada for a 16+ year old
> camper...
>
> jjohn
asadi - 30 Oct 2006 13:34 GMT
Never thought of that....

john

> Does that mean 'never pay above nada' or 'never pay above NADA'? Both
> could be valid.
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>>
>> jjohn
Tom Yost - 31 Oct 2006 01:01 GMT
>Now matter the condition, I would never pay above nada for a 16+ year old
>camper...

Unlikely they can get it for nada. They will likely have to pay
something...  :-)
Chris Cowles - 31 Oct 2006 07:39 GMT
Some would choose not to pay, preferring nada over a 16+ year old camper...

>>Now matter the condition, I would never pay above nada for a 16+ year old
>>camper...
>
> Unlikely they can get it for nada. They will likely have to pay
> something...  :-)
altar nospam - 31 Oct 2006 07:57 GMT
>Some would choose not to pay, preferring nada over a 16+ year old camper...
>
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>> Unlikely they can get it for nada. They will likely have to pay
>> something...  :-)

I'm always amazed that some people think these things are "old" at
only sixteen years. While I eventually went on to get fifth wheels,
MH, etc., I still have my 72 Starcraft pop-up. In all that time all I
did was replace bearings, tires, and canvass. It still works great,
and we still use it from time to time. 16 years is just getting broken
in!

Tom
Merlin - 31 Oct 2006 14:29 GMT
> I'm always amazed that some people think these things are "old" at
> only sixteen years. While I eventually went on to get fifth wheels,
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>
> Tom

I agree... Just because it's newer, does not mean it's in better condition.
I had been looking for a newer pop-up for a year, before finally
purchasing a 1991 Coleman Sequoia in August. Not only was it a
considerably lower price than others, but it was in far better shape. A
1998 I looked at had mildew all over the inside walls; a 2003 had
ripped and patched walls and roof, cracked and chipped counter and
table, and just generally dirty. The Sequoia was clean and well taken
care of, plus came with a screen add-a-room, which was a nice bonus.
Unless it was a very exceptional deal, I would not buy anything too new.
Just my two cents worth...

Lynne

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Chris Cowles - 03 Nov 2006 02:57 GMT
I have a 16 year old car. My comment was that SOME would choose not to pay.
Personally, I'd never BUY something that old, but I would KEEP something
that old if I already knew it well.

>>Some would choose not to pay, preferring nada over a 16+ year old
>>camper...
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> and we still use it from time to time. 16 years is just getting broken
> in!
Eksak - 28 Oct 2006 19:33 GMT
We have never used our awning, we take it out and clean it every year,
but yet to use it at the site.  For the showers, all of the campgrounds
that we used has had showers, with unlimited hot water.  We do have a
small Sani-potty in our popup in case of night time emergencies, that
was used maybe once or twice.  My Sister has an indoor shower/porta
potty in her popup and uses it for storage and a hanging up closet.  My
opinion is that the shower does not hold enough hot water that comes
with popup, I'm spoiled and like to take LONG HOT showers.

-Shawn

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3 Boys
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Mark Jones - 28 Oct 2006 22:37 GMT
> We have never used our awning, we take it out and clean it every year,
> but yet to use it at the site.  For the showers, all of the
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> enough hot water that comes with popup, I'm spoiled and like to take
> LONG HOT showers.

My hot water heater holds 6 gallons. I have never come close
to using this much water to take a shower in my popup.
miles - 28 Oct 2006 22:44 GMT
> My hot water heater holds 6 gallons. I have never come close
> to using this much water to take a shower in my popup.

Same here but then you can't just sit and soak for a nice long hot
shower either.  I turn on the water, wet myself down, turn off water,
soap, turn on water and rinse.  If I have hookups with water then I tend
to use more water.  If you have a family that all needs to take showers
then a 10-15 minute wait between is needed for the water tank to
re-heat.  It heats quickly.
Steve Kranz - 28 Oct 2006 20:18 GMT
> For those of you who camp a lot, is not having an indoor shower a big deal?

It is for me, but it all depends on where you go (or might go) camping.
 I have a 2000 Coleman Westlake with a toilet/shower combo.  I camp at
least once a year where there is no shower/bath house, and especially in
the summer, a real shower can make you feel like a king.

And yes, even where there are bathrooms/showers, sometimes you just
don't know what you're likely to step into and pick up.  I go to a 4-day
bluegrass music festival in Gettysburg twice a year.  Granite Hill
Campground is usually a pretty nice place to camp.  But during the
festival the place is full, and the showers just flat out suck.  They
have crappy, misty, "water saver" shower heads to begin with.  Then the
hot water runs out *fast*, and I've seen the shower stalls get pretty
gamey inside.  That's when I turn tail and take a nice, hot, private
shower in my camper.

As for the on-board toilet, this is another necessity.  The Spousal Unit
required it as a condition to buying the camper to begin with.  But even
for myself, I'm getting to the point where, if I wake up at 3 am and
gotta go, the last thing I want to do is get dressed and schlepp through
the dark to a bath house.

>  Is there any place to get an aftermarket potty shower combo and easily
> install it?

An alternative to an on-board shower is a tall, tent-style shower
enclosure.  They're available in different styles/brands for about
$50-100.  I also have one of these, and sometimes use it in combination
with the outdoor hand-held spray hose that is on the rear-side of my
Westlake.  Set it up close to the back of the camper and the hose
reaches in through the zipper door.  Still gives hot and cold shower,
and especially if there's a bunch of us camping, it can be more
convenient than setting up the inside shower curtain within the toilet
enclosure.

> What about awnings?  

Absolutely.  Would not camp without one.  I use it every time.  It only
takes 10 minutes or less to set up.  Adds sun shade, and if the weather
turns crappy at least you can open the windows that are underneath the
awning.

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tobe - 28 Oct 2006 21:22 GMT
> Hello,
> I am in the market for a pop up...
> What about awnings?  Or would you suggest just buying an cheap stand alone
> pop up shade cover?

We always use our awning.  It even has a front and sides which attach -
screens with roll down coverings which attach at the bottom with Velcro.
 That means we have a screen house attached to the camper, and can get
privacy or rain protection in a minute or two by rolling down the walls.
 You can buy either a plain awning or one with a screen room attachment
separately.  Neither are very cheap.

Look at www.carefreeofcolorado.com for examples.
miles - 28 Oct 2006 21:53 GMT
> Hello,
> I am in the market for a pop up.  The one I have my eye on is an older 1990
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> What about awnings?  Or would you suggest just buying an cheap stand alone
> pop up shade cover?

I love the indoor shower but thats because we dry camp far away from any
campgrounds.  The alternative is a portable outdoor shower which are
readily available.  If staying only at campgrounds most do have showers.
 Some forest service campgrounds do not offer such amenities.

I love being able to sit out under the awning when it rains.  Also makes
nice shade for the day time.  Awnings can be easily purchased to fit
your trailer.  Check to see if the roof has a track along it that the
awning would attach too.  Most of them already have such a track.
Chris Cowles - 29 Oct 2006 01:55 GMT
We camp in Florida, generally in state parks, and always use the awning. We
have a screen room (velcro's onto the awning) and use it only for longer
stays.

We do not have an indoor shower and, in a pop-up, don't miss it. We are
considering changing to a hybrid in the future but, for now, our pop-up
equipped as you describe serves us well. We do have a hot-water heater,
which is a significant benefit.

> Hello,
> I am in the market for a pop up.  The one I have my eye on is an older
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> alone pop up shade cover?
> Thanks
Tom Yost - 31 Oct 2006 01:07 GMT
>Hello,
>I am in the market for a pop up.  The one I have my eye on is an older 1990
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>pop up shade cover?
>Thanks

Inside Shower:
If you ask me, what a big pain in the a.s.  Others will tell you it
is indispensable.  I think it could be a real job to add one to a
trailer not already equipped.

Awning:
Inexpensive and easy to add.  We have the standard factory "bag"
awning on ours and we also use either an "EZ-Up" shelter or a tarp
tied to trees depending on the situation.

Good luck!
Tom
Tomes - 31 Oct 2006 03:27 GMT
> Hello,
> I am in the market for a pop up.  The one I have my eye on is an older
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> pop up shade cover?
> Thanks

Hi KidThrifty,
As others have noted, I would look very carefully at one that age, but
having had a 94 and now a 97 model I am thinking that a 90 one owner well
maintained ought to be still really good.  You sound like you have been
looking around enough to know.

On the awning, we have one (it is a relatively rare popup that does not) and
we almost always use it.  We also have a couple of the EZ-up thingies
(actually the old pole kind, but that style) and usually use them too.  When
we camp with other folks we also employ 1 or 2 giant tarps that we use to
cover it all to give us shade, using the small thingies to hold parts of it
all up.  Awnings are easily added on and go for a couple hundred bucks.

I have never had an indoor shower and do not miss it at all.  Using the
campground showers when we go to such places work fine enough.  When we
field camp we have a stand alone one that uses a black bag (we have 2 bags)
that heats up enough water for us.  I would think that retrofitting a shower
would be pretty severe.
Hope this helps,
Tomes
 
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