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I was womdering if there was a forum or message board somewhere that would instantly ban such moronic activity as this newsgroup as seen lately. I am about ready to delete this one from my newsreader for obvious reasons. It is childish to post such stupid stuff in a family camping newsgroup. I thought his first one I read about kinky sex and butt plugs was a bit funny but now it looks like he is feeding a monkey to constantly throw out garbage. Thanks Ahaa come on now, Im a nice guy with grand kid and all, even a vet, so you like butt plugs and kinky sex, hnnnnn............ > I was womdering if there was a forum or message board somewhere that > would instantly ban such moronic activity as this newsgroup as seen [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > butt plugs was a bit funny but now it looks like he is feeding a monkey > to constantly throw out garbage. Thanks -- "In consciousness dwells the wondrous, with it man attains the realm beyond the material, and the Peyote tells us, where to find it." There is an easy way... Just BLOCK the idiots! You never see their drivel...  Signatureplease reply to bargerw NO @ SPAM bellsouth.net and remove the NOSPAM >I was womdering if there was a forum or message board somewhere that would >instantly ban such moronic activity as this newsgroup as seen lately. I am [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >but now it looks like he is feeding a monkey to constantly throw out >garbage. Thanks > I was womdering if there was a forum or message board somewhere that > would instantly ban such moronic activity as this newsgroup as seen [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > butt plugs was a bit funny but now it looks like he is feeding a monkey > to constantly throw out garbage. Thanks I would expect this group to die off very soon thanks to the likes of Oklahoma Joe. He's set up to crosspost in several off topic newsgroups and he will drag a lot of garbage into this once fine forum. The only remedy is for as many people as possible to complain to Supernews (abuse@supernews.com) about Oklahoma Joe's violation of their acceptable use policy which can be read here: http://www.supernews.com/about/aup.html And of course, never respond to any of his posts or replies because this not only encourages him but propagates the messages elsewhere causing problems in other groups as well. Some highlights of Supernews' AUP: Articles of an explicitly promotional nature or commercial posts repeatedly or to groups in which they are not allowed will be treated as spam and a violation of this AUP in our sole discretion. Flooding. Posting excessively to a group, particularly off-topic, frivolous, or reposted content in excess of our internal threshold for flooding is prohibited. The continued posting of off-topic messages to a group is prohibited. So if like alt.rv.pop-up-trailers I would suggest taking a stand before the group is destroyed. I've seen several of my favorite groups die off this way and frankly this group has not been very strong for a while though I still enjoy it very much. >I was womdering if there was a forum or message board somewhere that >would instantly ban such moronic activity as this newsgroup as seen [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >butt plugs was a bit funny but now it looks like he is feeding a monkey >to constantly throw out garbage. Thanks Hi, Don't bother responding to him just send an e-mail to abuse@supernews.com He is in violation of their AUP regarding newsgroup disruption and continued posting of off topic subjects. If enough folks complain loud and long enough he will be stopped. It's to bad so many kids like him don't know right from wrong. Shows how he was raised and what kind of person he really is. Take care and Happy Campin... SignatureRichA "We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart" I have reported the "malcontent". Let's see what, if anything happens. Signatureplease reply to bargerw NO @ SPAM bellsouth.net and remove the NOSPAM >>I was womdering if there was a forum or message board somewhere that >>would instantly ban such moronic activity as this newsgroup as seen [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Take care and Happy Campin... > I have reported the "malcontent". > > Let's see what, if anything happens. We'll know we have been successful if he shows up with a new name and ID, same old M.O. In the long run, the only thing that works is to completely ignore the noisemaker and ask others to do the same. Austin > Don't bother responding to him just send an e-mail to > abuse@supernews.com [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > If enough folks complain loud and long enough he will be stopped. Complain often now folks - for each one of the offending posts. When you complain please include the header information from the relevant offending post. To do this click on File>Properties, then select the Detail tab. Copy that information into your complaint. It helps in tracking. This is what it looks like for his latest post: Path: newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!tiscali!transit1.news.tiscali.nl!transit.news.xs4all.nl!newsgate.cistron.nl!xs4all!feeder2.cambrium.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!news.astraweb.com!newsrouter-eu.astraweb.com!feeder.news-service.com!feeder.news-service.com!138.199.65.86.MISMATCH!sn-xt-ams-06!sn-xt-ams-08!sn-ams!sn-feed-ams-01!sn-post-ams-01!sn-post-sjc-02!sn-post-sjc-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Oklahoma Joe <okie@nospam.com> Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam,soc.veterans,alt.politics,alt.rv.pop-up-trailers Subject: The Myth of Johnny Maverick Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:29:13 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <4561F3F9.EF032579@nospam.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 89 Xref: news.earthlink.net alt.war.vietnam:673762 soc.veterans:432564 alt.politics:3542982 alt.rv.pop-up-trailers:163350 X-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:29:24 PST (newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink.net) > On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 23:56:53 GMT, Tommy's Computer > Hi, > Don't bother responding to him just send an e-mail to > abuse@supernews.com Done! SignatureKarl & Angela `02 Durango `05 Fleetwood Allegiance If you bail he wins.... Yes, it's a family oriented newsgroup but if I child has never heard such language, they are obviously not in school yet and should have their internet usage monitored.... idiots come and go, that's the nature of Usenet... We (in another newsgroup had one such. However, it was cured by no one responding to his posts. When there is no feedback, they lose their interest. So if all here (and other newsgroups) would quit responding, he will go away.... Works like a charm john >I was womdering if there was a forum or message board somewhere that would >instantly ban such moronic activity as this newsgroup as seen lately. I am [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >but now it looks like he is feeding a monkey to constantly throw out >garbage. Thanks Some other newsgroups have folded because of such behavior. One solution is to have a 'moderated' newsgroup, where one or more moderators screen all messages (per posted rules) before they are actually posted to the group. More hassle for the moderator(s), but it keeps things pretty clean and on topic. > I was womdering if there was a forum or message board somewhere that > would instantly ban such moronic activity as this newsgroup as seen [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > butt plugs was a bit funny but now it looks like he is feeding a monkey > to constantly throw out garbage. Thanks > Some other newsgroups have folded because of such behavior. One > solution is to have a 'moderated' newsgroup, where one or more > moderators screen all messages (per posted rules) before they are > actually posted to the group. More hassle for the moderator(s), but it > keeps things pretty clean and on topic. Unfortunately, that has also killed a number of groups, as the moderators lost interest/got overwhelmed/moved on. Without active moderators, a moderated group is deader than a heavily trolled group. Austin >Some other newsgroups have folded because of such behavior. One >solution is to have a 'moderated' newsgroup, where one or more >moderators screen all messages (per posted rules) before they are >actually posted to the group. More hassle for the moderator(s), but it >keeps things pretty clean and on topic. <snipped> Hi, Moderated news groups are ok if you have good moderators and they don't become over eager with their moderating. There are several RV related moderated groups on Yahoo and other RV sites. Like Austin said the best thing to do is ignore them or filter them if you use filters. If several folks send in complaints outlining the reason that helps some too. Take care and Happy Campin... SignatureRichA "We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart" There's irony in the fact that the only topical message is the one about lack of topical messages. SignatureChris Cowles Gainesville, FL | There's irony in the fact that the only topical message is the one about | lack of topical messages. | -- | Chris Cowles | Gainesville, FL One way to clear out the dregs so that you don't have to read the trolls is to get a program called Nfilter (it is free) and set it up to delete all messages that are posted to more than one newsgroup. I've had to do this for a couple other newsgroups I watch, and it is highly effective. Jean > One way to clear out the dregs so that you don't have to read the trolls > is > to get a program called Nfilter (it is free) and set it up to delete all > messages that are posted to more than one newsgroup. I've had to do this > for a couple other newsgroups I watch, and it is highly effective. Thanks. Found it at http://www.nfilter.org/ and will take a look. > One way to clear out the dregs so that you don't have to read the trolls is > to get a program called Nfilter (it is free) and set it up to delete all > messages that are posted to more than one newsgroup. I've had to do this > for a couple other newsgroups I watch, and it is highly effective. If it is configurable enough so that it will ALLOW crossposts where specified, it would be useful for me. I just spent 1-2 minutes (not a lot of time, really) opening this newsgroup. After scanning the Subjects, before I read my first article (message), I created three, new filters. After each creation, I re-filtered the group and a few, more messages disappeared. (It's fun to watch as these unfortunate people bite the dust, their drivel unread.) The beauty of the Mac freebie I use to participate here is the power and flexibility of its filtering function. A few seconds of my time and I never see these losers again in ANY of the groups I currently use and those I might add later. One thing I have NEVER done is PLONK someone. I have quietly FILTERED a few after I no longer wished to even see the HEADER/SUBJECT of their postings, but they never knew it and never will. I do not use my newsreader's filtering function as a threat or last-resort "Oh, Yeah? Well, take THIS: <PLONK!!>" (sandbox sh*t) I'm not sure what happened here in the last, few months, but I don't remember it EVER happening to this degree. The only effective way to fix it appears to be working: Ignore/starve the trolls. They seem to be losing interest, finally. I also suspect that much of what SPREAD the "virus" is that the odd one of us (myself included) would reply to the troll but OVERLOOK that the troll's original post (or reply) was INTENTIONALLY CROSSPOSTED to numerous, other newsgroups. As you can see, this easily opens our group to the crossposted replies and flames from the other group to the SAME troll. Not merely feedback but INSTANT GRATIFICATION to the troll. Those of us that are old (and poor) enough to remember, recall the good, old BBS days when school got out for spring break, the summer or toward the start of school in the fall when a handful of kids got their first computer and modem. The occasional brat would make a scene on-line and loose their posting privileges. In seven years, I had only ONE that I banished entirely from the board. Starve the troll. Watch the crossposts. Usenet LIVES!! Signature:) JR >> One way to clear out the dregs so that you don't have to read the trolls is >> to get a program called Nfilter (it is free) and set it up to delete all [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >Starve the troll. Watch the crossposts. Usenet LIVES!! Agent allows one to only reply to the group you are reading the post in, and effectively kills the cross posting. However, not replying at all is an even better thing. The nature of the internet newsgroups is such that there is no control. Has its advantages, and as you've seen, it's disadvantages. If you're going to keep up with any internet newsgroup, you're just going to have to get used to some of this crap. Best bet, as others have advised, is to ignore the idiots. AKA...don't feed the trolls! The other option is another moderated forum. Off-hand, I would recommend RVing and ClassicRV over at http://groups.yahoo.com. But...neither of those are pop-up specific. I'm sure there are some out there. I've got a travel trailer, but have found some great info here, so I've stuck around. Just keep ignoring the idiots, they'll eventually go away if ignored. Wesley > I was womdering if there was a forum or message board somewhere that > would instantly ban such moronic activity as this newsgroup as seen [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > butt plugs was a bit funny but now it looks like he is feeding a monkey > to constantly throw out garbage. Thanks <snip> > The other option is another moderated forum. Off-hand, I would recommend > RVing and ClassicRV over at http://groups.yahoo.com. But...neither of those > are pop-up specific. I'm sure there are some out there. I've got a travel > trailer, but have found some great info here, so I've stuck around. two moderated forums include: <http://www.arveeclub.com/> <http://www.popupexplorer.com/forum/default.asp> Both are pop-up centric, and both have many times as much traffic as alt.rv.pop-up-trailers. Austin > <http://www.arveeclub.com/> > <http://www.popupexplorer.com/forum/default.asp> > > Both are pop-up centric, and both have many times as much traffic as > alt.rv.pop-up-trailers. ...and both are web-based (HTML-based) requiring a web browser to use. I hate web-based email AND newsgroups. I am using a dedicated "newsreader" designed to interface with usenet's protocols. It is, by far and away, a MUCH better and easier-to-use interface than anything I've seen using a web browser. Suffering the creeps and wackos is the price I pay for the ease and convenience of using an "official" newsreader. Signature:) JR MT-NewsWatcher 3.5.1 (Mac) We don need no steenkin' HTML Long live Use(less)Net<tm> <snip> > ...and both are web-based (HTML-based) requiring a web browser to use. I hate > web-based email AND newsgroups. Which is why I keep coming back here. Although I will admit to using Google Groups for the past several months, I prefer a real newsreader. The only time you will see me using a web-based email reader is when I have no other choice. Austin > The only time you will see me using a web-based email reader is when I > have no other choice. Same here, and let's hope it never comes to abandoning this newsgroup and having to try to enjoy myself using a web-based group. Moderated groups, particularly if well managed (a "good" blend of democracy and dictatorship), are truly a joy to participate in, even if you're NOT The Moderator. <bg> I moderated one or two VERY BUSY "echo conferences" in the days of FidoNet and the dial-up Bulletin Board System (BBS). It required a fair amount of work on the part of the Moderator back then. Just nuking the trash here would be all that would be necessary to clean this up and make it "fly right". <sigh> (Watch for crossposts when replying.) Does you have ANY idea of what it takes to get a MODERATED newsgroup off the ground, much less CONVERT one to Moderated status? I suspect it would be more trouble than it's worth, if it's do-able at all. I am a usenet USER not a usenet geek. It just works... <sigh> Signature:) JR Climb poles and dig holes Have staplegun, will travel We can always ask that it become a moderated group... >>The only time you will see me using a web-based email reader is when I >>have no other choice. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > trouble than it's worth, if it's do-able at all. I am a usenet USER not a > usenet geek. It just works... <sigh> >We can always ask that it become a moderated group... The chances of an alt group becoming moderated are about zero or less. Even if you could find someone to moderate it. > The chances of an alt group becoming moderated are about zero or less. That's as I expected. :\ > Even if you could find someone to moderate it. I would certainly volunteer if I had even just a little support. I'm sure there's a more topical group for this type of discussion. Suggestions? Signature:) JR >> The chances of an alt group becoming moderated are about zero or less. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I'm sure there's a more topical group for this type of discussion. >Suggestions? news.groups or news.groups.questions. There's also new.newusers.questions, it's moderated. news.groups is more a group where admins discuss policies about group creation in the Big 8. Also you might research creating a new moderated group for popups in the rec.outdoors heirarchy. >>We can always ask that it become a moderated group... > > The chances of an alt group becoming moderated are about zero or less. Who decides that? >>>We can always ask that it become a moderated group... >> >> The chances of an alt group becoming moderated are about zero or less. > >Who decides that? That's a question for news.newusers.answers. That is a moderated group. Alt groups do not come under the normal control of the Usenet powers that be. Alt groups can be created by any user savvy enough to send a control message. Normally, once a group is created without moderation, it's nearly impossible to change a group to moderated. I'd suggest doing a little Googling on moderated groups and creating groups. >>>>We can always ask that it become a moderated group... >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >I'd suggest doing a little Googling on moderated groups and creating >groups. alt.config is a good place to go lurk awhile and learn. > I'd suggest doing a little Googling on moderated groups > and creating groups. > > alt.config is a good place to go lurk awhile and learn. I grabbed that newsgroup and IMMEDIATELY found the following... In article <mod-pitfalls-faq-1163577608$4720@windlord.stanford.edu>, Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> wrote: [begin] Last-modified: 2001-06-10 (revision 1.5) Posted-by: postfaq 1.15 (Perl 5.8.8) Archive-name: usenet/moderation/pitfalls URL: http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/mod-pitfalls.html Posting-frequency: monthly Pitfalls of Newsgroup Moderation (or Things You Wished You'd Thought Of Before You Started) Maintained by Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> So you want to propose a moderated newsgroup... <snip> [end] I will have to print this and read it when I get the chance. It's quite lengthy but looks worthwhile. Just perusing the Subjects, methinks a LOT of geeks "live" there. Hmmmmmm... Signature:) JR >>>Who decides that? > > alt.config is a good place to go lurk awhile and learn. Thanks for the redirect. Yes but then SOMEONE has to do the moderating. As much as I like reading the newsgroups, I wouldn't want to have to do it every day. > We can always ask that it become a moderated group... > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> would be more trouble than it's worth, if it's do-able at all. I am a >> usenet USER not a usenet geek. It just works... <sigh> |
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