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A Re-Look-See at the Constitution

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Oklahoma Joe - 22 Nov 2006 15:50 GMT
A Re-Look-See at the Constitution
by Bill Maher

NEW RULE: When the Iraq Study Group gets done studying Iraq, it should
study America.

Now, I know liberals have been on a high these last 10 days, and it
can't be the meth because that's a gay evangelical drug. But let's
remember that all that really happened was, Republicans went so batty
for so long that common sense seemed like a new idea.

Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that this election brought new
thinking to Washington. It didn't. It brought Democrats, who are often
just Republicans slowed down a step by a sense of shame. But they're
not revolutionaries, and they're not really diverse.

Oh, Congress looks like America -- we've got blacks, Asians, Hispanics,
and whatever else is in Barack Obama. But diversity of thought? There's
exactly one socialist, and when it comes to "faith" -- I bet there's
not even one who wouldn't profess the greatest of piety. Except Nancy
Pelosi, she's a freak. You know -- "San Francisco values." Right, like
66-year-old grandmother of five Nancy Pelosi is some raving,
twig-eating Marxist ideologue. If only she were. If we actually had the
occasional far left hippie in Congress to balance out all the legion of
loonytoons on the far right -- but outside of Ralph Nader and Dennis
Kucinich, there isn't a far left in America. Nancy Pelosi isn't going
to try to legalize drugs or socialize hospitals or really tax gasoline
or tell the Pentagon to cut its bloated, corrupt budget.

There's no out-of-the-box thinking in this country. If we were really
looking for a new direction, we'd not just change Congress, we'd have
another Constitutional Convention, as Jefferson suggested we do.
Jefferson said: "Let us provide in our Constitution for its revision. .
. every 19 or 20 years. . . so that it may be handed on, with
periodical repairs, from generation to generation." He himself was
saying, "I'm a bright guy, but even I can't foresee the iPod." Or the
assault rifle.

But that's Jefferson's phrase: periodical repairs. This thing needs
periodical repairs, but it hasn't been in the shop for 219 years. Of
course it's belching oil. Literally. And that's because one of the
glaring flaws a Constitutional Convention might correct is something
called corporate personhood, which means somewhere along the way,
stupid or corrupted courts gave corporations all the rights of
individuals, with none of the liability. If some person defecates on
your lawn, we throw him in jail, but if a corporation does it, they get
a tax break. Somehow "we the people" got to be defined as Halliburton.
This thing needs to go in the shop!

And I know traditionalists are saying, "But Bill, it's a sacred
document!" Please, it's full of crap about pirates, for God's sake. And
I don't mean the kind that copies Justin Timberlake CDs. I mean peg
legs and parrots. "The founders were so brilliant." Yes, they were: the
proof being, the government they designed keeps functioning even with
cement-head doofuses like you in it.

Listen to Jefferson -- he was saying, "We're smart guys, we're not
Nostradamus." We deal with things today no founding father could have
imagined -- the Internet, global warming. Toilet paper, instead of
bark. If Ben Franklin got beamed in to visit us today, the first thing
he'd say is, "For 17 dollars, I get porn on my TV all day? How can the
hotel afford that?" And then he'd say, "You're still using the old
Constitution that we told you to revise? That's so nuts hemp must still
be legal."

How about this: You can own any gun you want, as long as it works on
technology developed before 1787. This is what conservatives call
"original intent," you can look it up. By candlelight. If Robert Blake
wants to allegedly kill another wife, he has to use a musket. Or burn
her at the stake, but who has the time?

And how about getting rid of the Electoral College? We don't have to
protect the farmer in his sparse state anymore; let the votes count
from where the people are. And besides, the farmer is now a huge
corporation called Monsanto.

And most of all, let's take a little re-look-see at what you can be
impeached for: starting unnecessary wars, yes; having sex, no. Which
leads me, OK, one more request for our Constitutional Convention: Get
rid of the 22 d Amendment that says you can't run for president more
than twice. That was just hatin'. If a guy can win the popular vote, he
should be able to run, or that's not democracy -- and there's somebody
you might call Mr. Popular named Bill Clinton, and he should be able to
run for president in 2008. It'd be worth it, just to see him debate
Hillary.
Bill - 22 Nov 2006 17:34 GMT
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>A Re-Look-See at the Constitution
> by Bill Maher
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> run for president in 2008. It'd be worth it, just to see him debate
> Hillary.
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How Cute looks like you got a moronic a.s puppie...... billiebobjoe huh?

>A Re-Look-See at the Constitution
> by Bill Maher
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> run for president in 2008. It'd be worth it, just to see him debate
> Hillary.
John Wickliffe, MD - 22 Nov 2006 21:45 GMT
Good article, thanks!  Keep 'em coming!

> A Re-Look-See at the Constitution
> by Bill Maher
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
> run for president in 2008. It'd be worth it, just to see him debate
> Hillary.
Billy - 22 Nov 2006 23:50 GMT
: Good article, thanks!  Keep 'em coming!

Keep them coming? How many times do you have to sh.t in one day?

: > A Re-Look-See at the Constitution
: > by Bill Maher
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
: > run for president in 2008. It'd be worth it, just to see him debate
: > Hillary.
respk - 24 Nov 2006 22:21 GMT
Mr. Maher was doing well until his last paragraph.  He forgot, or fails
to understand, that the US is a republic NOT a democracy.

I usually enjoy Bill Maher's monologues but then he shows his true
colors which is very little understanding of reality but good enough
writers to come up with catchy phrases to seemingly be coherent.

> A Re-Look-See at the Constitution
> by Bill Maher
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
> run for president in 2008. It'd be worth it, just to see him debate
> Hillary.
letoured@nospam.net - 24 Nov 2006 23:12 GMT
In <mfk9h.25201$zb4.13205@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, on 11/24/2006
  at 10:21 PM, respk <respwall@hotmailremove.com> said:

>Mr. Maher was doing well until his last paragraph.  He forgot, or fails
>to understand, that the US is a republic NOT a democracy.

But we're fighting in iraqnam, and once did in Vietnam so they could have
a democracy.  

Ya think maybe you have something wrong in your thinking?

>I usually enjoy Bill Maher's monologues but then he shows his true
>colors which is very little understanding of reality but good enough
>writers to come up with catchy phrases to seemingly be coherent.

>> A Re-Look-See at the Constitution
>> by Bill Maher
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
>> run for president in 2008. It'd be worth it, just to see him debate
>> Hillary.
Rich256 - 26 Nov 2006 21:09 GMT
> In <mfk9h.25201$zb4.13205@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, on 11/24/2006
>    at 10:21 PM, respk <respwall@hotmailremove.com> said:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Ya think maybe you have something wrong in your thinking?

Nope, "The republic for which we stand".

 a republic is a country that is led by people whose political power is
based on principles that are not beyond the control of the people of
that country.  In republics that are also democracies where the head of
state is appointed as the result of an election.

Democracy is a form of government in which all the citizens have an
equal vote or voice in shaping policy or electing government officials.

"The United States is the longest-surviving extant constitutional
republic, with the oldest wholly written constitution in the world. Its
government operates as a representative democracy through a
congressional system under a set of powers specified by its Constitution."
Gaijin X - 25 Nov 2006 04:23 GMT
> Mr. Maher was doing well until his last paragraph.  He forgot, or fails to understand, that the US
> is a republic NOT a democracy.

"One freedom that defines our way of life is the freedom to choose our
leaders at the ballot box. We saw that freedom earlier this week, when
millions of Americans went to the polls to cast their votes for a new Congress.

Whatever your opinion of the outcome, all Americans can take pride in the example our democracy sets
for the world by holding elections even in a time of war."

--- President George W. Bush, in his weekly radio address on November 11, 2006

Seems he's not the only one.
Calif Bill - 26 Nov 2006 04:41 GMT
>> Mr. Maher was doing well until his last paragraph.  He forgot, or fails
>> to understand, that the US is a republic NOT a democracy.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Seems he's not the only one.

He says nothing about a democracy.  We get to choose our leaders.  The POTUS
is not chosen by a vote of the people.  He or she is chosen by each state
according to how many Congresspeople and Senators thay have.  The states get
to choose how they appoint those electors or Electoral College.  For years
it was the state legislatures that appointed the members of the Electoral
College.  You should have paid more attention in Civics class.  And we elect
those state legislature people.
Gaijin X - 27 Nov 2006 13:28 GMT
"Calif Bill" <bmckeespam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:cW8ah.3210>>
>> Whatever your opinion of the outcome, all Americans can take pride in the example our democracy
>> sets for the world by holding elections even in a time of war."
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> He says nothing about a democracy.

He doesn't? Well what do you think he's talking about when he says
"the example our democracy sets for the world?" Whose democracy is
he talking about? Explain yourself.

> We get to choose our leaders.  The POTUS is not chosen by a vote of the people.  He or she is
> chosen by each state according to how many Congresspeople and Senators thay have.  The states get
> to choose how they appoint those electors or Electoral College.  For years it was the state
> legislatures that appointed the members of the Electoral College.  You should have paid more
> attention in Civics class.  And we elect those state legislature people.

You seemed to have missed the point and I would tend to think that that would be
a bit embarrassing when you're trying to be condescending.
 I made no statement in regards to whether I believe we live in a democracy or a
republic so your judgment about what I should have done in civics class is in fact
a misjudgment.
 What I WAS trying to point out was that occasionally, some a.shole (much like
yourself) tries to make a huge deal out of someone saying that we live in a democracy.
Without commenting on it myself, I just pointed out that the President himself seems to
believe we live in a democracy and I quoted him. A further demonstration just the
other day says:

November 11, 2006

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush, in his Saturday radio address,
said the Democrats' takeover of Congress on Tuesday showed the world
the strength of America's democracy.

So do you think Bush should have paid more attention in civics class too?
!Jones - 25 Nov 2006 00:38 GMT
You're not in the US.  Do you post from Portugal? ... no, that's not
right... second hop.

Jones
 
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