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KidThrifty - 23 Nov 2006 04:13 GMT
I have a jayco 1206 and I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations on
space heaters?  At least what at a minimum I should look for when
purchasing.
Thanks in advance.
Karl & Angela - 23 Nov 2006 05:20 GMT
> I have a jayco 1206 and I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations
> on
> space heaters?  At least what at a minimum I should look for when
> purchasing.
> Thanks in advance.

We've been happy with the output of our Mr Buddy heater.  It kind of depends
on what you are trying to accomplish, but the Mr Buddy isn't overly pricey,
puts out a good amount of heat , has a tip over switch, and a low oxygen
shutoff, thus being (relatively) safe for use inside a camper/tent.

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Jonathan - 23 Nov 2006 05:22 GMT
Greetings,

We are quite comfortable in moderately cold temperatures with a 1500 watt
ceramic electric heater.  I recommend one that has a high and low heat
setting, a fan to circulate the air and a thermostat to turn the unit on and
off.  We've used the same heater in both our Coleman Sea Pine as well as our
Niagra with temps down to the upper 40's, although on occasion we've also
used an electric blanket and don't use our camper when it gets colder than
that.

A lot will also depend on how "tight" your camper is as well.  If it has air
leaks (espeically on windy days) then even the best heater may not be able
to keep you warm.  I do not recommend any portable heater that burns a
liquid or gas fuel because of the danger of carbon monoxide poisoning,
regardless of how "safe" you believe your heater is.

Just my two cents worth.

Cheers - Jonathan

> I have a jayco 1206 and I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations
> on space heaters?  At least what at a minimum I should look for when
> purchasing.
> Thanks in advance.
Chuck James - 23 Nov 2006 05:47 GMT
We bought a ceramic heater from WalMart that works really well, in my
Rockwood 2516G.  I didn't get one of the ones that "rotate" around.  Mine
has a black front cover that has the front of it turn red when on, so that
you know it is hot.  It is cylindrical shaped and about 18 inches high.  We
used it this past Veteran's day weekend in Lake Brownwood State Park, in
Texas.  It was cool enough that a nice roaring fire (outside) felt really
nice.  I put it on a cabinet in the trailer very near and at the same height
as the bed I slept in.  I slept in a sleeping bag with the top thrown off of
me most of the night.  The propane heater was set for about 70 degrees, and
kicked on a few times throughout the night.  I don't like being cold!

> I have a jayco 1206 and I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations
> on space heaters?  At least what at a minimum I should look for when
> purchasing.
> Thanks in advance.
eddie07 - 23 Nov 2006 11:24 GMT
> I have a jayco 1206 and I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations on
> space heaters?  At least what at a minimum I should look for when
> purchasing.
> Thanks in advance.

I have three ceramic heaters and don't use them in my pop-up any more.
I use an oil filled, 5? section, electric radiator I got from either
Lowes or HD for about $35  ($70 deluxe model)     Its SILENT , safe,
and gets the job done even though its a bit bulky and heavier than the
ceramics. Also have propane heater that came with the Aliner which I
only use boondocking.     NOISY.

Cheers ,  Eddie
Linkd@mindspring.com - 24 Nov 2006 01:06 GMT
>> I have a jayco 1206 and I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations on
>> space heaters?  At least what at a minimum I should look for when
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>
>Cheers ,  Eddie

I like the oil heaters but they take forever to warm up and cool off
and they weigh a ton.  I have found that the ceramic heaters are quick
to heat and actually do so much better for the weight than the oil
based.  The oil based are much better to use a house to keep a cold
room at a decent temp.  

If you do not use your ceramic let me know the what you want for them
and could you post a picture.
Jim Redelfs - 23 Nov 2006 14:31 GMT
> recommendations on space heaters?

Except for the small amount of light many electric heaters emit, electric heat
is virtually 100% efficient.  1500-watts, for example, amounts to the same
heat regardless of the brand, type or technology.

We bought a Pelonis Ceramic Disc Furnace a few years ago and are very happy
with it.  With its surprisingly sophisticated thermostat operation, including
the variable-speed fan, it can be very quiet when running at low speed,
maintaining a nice temp in the camper.

<http://www.campingworld.com/browse/skus/index.cfm?skunum=33386&src=SRQB>

However, given its higher price when compared to similar-appearing,
cube-shaped, small electric heaters, I would consider a lesser-expensive model
if buying again.

> At least what at a minimum I should look for when purchasing.

Portable, electric heater?  Just about anything should do, watt-for-watt.

Propane, like Karl's Mr. Heater Buddy?  I'm impressed by his heater enough
that I would get one for its ease of use and safety features alone.

If your camper does NOT have a built-in, propane furnace, I'd investigate the
cost of having one professionally installed.  That is the best and safest way
to keep REALLY warm in your camper.

As mentioned by another here, the on-board furnaces can be noisy, but they
sure put out a LOT of SAFE heat.  Good luck!
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Tommy's Computer - 23 Nov 2006 15:48 GMT
>>recommendations on space heaters?
>
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> As mentioned by another here, the on-board furnaces can be noisy, but they
> sure put out a LOT of SAFE heat.  Good luck!

From the years of reading posts here the problem would be cost with
having a heater put in. Not only the cost of the furnace but the cost of
propane. Two ceramic heaters can keep us plenty warm even if it gets to
freezing and only costs $40 for both of them. Of course if the
campground doesn't have 30 amp electric you can't run them both on high
at the same time and if you are boondocking you are screwed. Just my .02.
Mark Jones - 23 Nov 2006 17:49 GMT
>  From the years of reading posts here the problem would be cost with
> having a heater put in. Not only the cost of the furnace but the cost
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> high at the same time and if you are boondocking you are screwed.
> Just my .02.

I decided to buy a fully equipped pop-up that is more like
a travel trailer with the features it has. It should be plenty
good to use for several more years before I will decide
to change to a regular travel trailer or small motorhome.

It is a 2005 Fleetwood Niagara.
Jim Redelfs - 24 Nov 2006 04:00 GMT
> I decided to buy a fully equipped pop-up that is more like
> a travel trailer with the features it has.

Yeah, and you can fold it down to at least half-height and tow it with a
vehicle that is almost economical when NOT towing.

> It is a 2005 Fleetwood Niagara.  It should be plenty
> good to use for several more years before I will decide
> to change to a regular travel trailer or small motorhome.

When my first travel trailer is "used up", I will probably go with a
motorhome.  Large towables require a large tow vehicle.  If I was towing
constantly, I can see the value of a HUGE pickup (I have one).  Otherwise, I'd
like a car like my wife's Corolla to drive those times when I'm not RVing
which, for probably more than a few years still, will be the BULK of my
driving.
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Jim Redelfs - 24 Nov 2006 03:40 GMT
> the problem would be cost with having a heater put in.

There is no denying the CO$T would be high (~$1k?), but you get what you pay
for.

> the cost of propane [vs] Two ceramic heaters

You are comparing two, potentially VERY dissimilar things.

I can keep (and have kept) two adults and three children TOASTY warm with
overnight, outside temps in the mid-30s, without an electric outlet in sight.  
This is done, perfectly safely, using propane and a 12VDC-powered,
thermostatically controlled, forced-air furnace.  It was one of the options I
KNEW I wanted when buying my Starcraft.

We camped for five nights in Norris Geyser Basin campground INSIDE Yellowstone
National Park.  No hookups.  Zip, zero, nada.  Absolute wilderness just
outside the door and we had hot-and-cold, running water, a fresh-water, flush
toilet and a gas furnace.  That's "roughing it smoothly".

We've camped in Morraine Park campground INSIDE Rocky Mountain National Park
several times and never with a hookup of any kind.  We stayed warm and dry.

If a camper can separate himself from an electric source, his choices for
sites expand dramatically.  The likelihood of improved solitude is increased
as well.

> if you are boondocking you are screwed. Just my .02.

Without an electric hookup, without an RV furnace system, you're right.
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Mark Jones - 23 Nov 2006 17:43 GMT
> I have a jayco 1206 and I was wondering if anyone had any
> recommendations on space heaters?  At least what at a minimum I
> should look for when purchasing.
> Thanks in advance.

I use a 750/1500 watt electric heater to provide heat when I
just want to warm things up a little. If I really want to warm
things up I can turn on the furnace.

My pop-up is a 2005 Fleetwood Niagara.

Outside photo:
http://home.mindspring.com/~mejones/HST_State_Park_sml.jpg

Inside photo with LCD HDTV.
http://home.mindspring.com/~mejones/InteriorLookingTowardsHitch1.jpg

Another inside photo with heater sitting in flloor.
http://home.mindspring.com/~mejones/Sink_Refrigerator_Stove.jpg
Jim Redelfs - 24 Nov 2006 04:17 GMT
> My pop-up is a 2005 Fleetwood Niagara.
>
> Outside photo:
> http://home.mindspring.com/~mejones/HST_State_Park_sml.jpg

Nice rig.  Nice camp site.   :)

> Inside photo with LCD HDTV.
> http://home.mindspring.com/~mejones/InteriorLookingTowardsHitch1.jpg

You aren't a TRUE, high-tech redneck (oxymoron or just moron?), until you
place the TV OUTSIDE on the picnic table under a canopy and watch it with
drizzle all around.

> Another inside photo with heater sitting in floor.
> http://home.mindspring.com/~mejones/Sink_Refrigerator_Stove.jpg

I would like to see a new option:  Built-in electric heat.  Sure, it wouldn't
run off the battery but neither does the air conditioner or microwave oven.  
The biggest downside to a portable heater is the floor space it occupies.

In the 13 years we used our Starcraft, I only used an electric heater a few
times.  The electric heater didn't put out enough heat to keep us
satisfactorily warm on some of those occasions and it took up precious floor
space.

I paid for the furnace, so I used it.  We once camped when the overnight
temperature fell to 13 degrees F.  We used a LOT of propane, but we stayed
toasty and warm.  The drinking water in my 5-gallon casks outside was slushy
the next morning.  Even TWO electric heaters wouldn't have been able to "cut
it" in this case.  There isn't much 'R' value to canvas and vinyl.

Boondocking (camping without any hookups) is the last, big "pioneering"
challenge for me:  It is satisfying to do all the work and planning necessary
to keep my family warm and fed for several days without the luxury of an
electric hookup or water nearby.  Camping like this is generally more secluded
than where there is electric hookups.
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Rich256 - 23 Nov 2006 18:17 GMT
> I have a jayco 1206 and I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations on
> space heaters?  At least what at a minimum I should look for when
> purchasing.
> Thanks in advance.

Gas or electric?  Most seem to be plugging their electric but I have
seen only one National Forest campground that has electric so if you got
places like I do you need Gas.  Mr. Buddy.

And I am most always in the high country of Colorado where the night
temperatures may well get into the 30s in the middle of the summer.
Jim Redelfs - 24 Nov 2006 04:24 GMT
> I have seen only one National Forest campground that has electric

That's one too many.

I'd like to see the NPS BAN hookups on ALL their sites except for hosts and
staff.  This keeps the wimps and their noisy technology in the PRIVATE
campgrounds that are outside the nearest town.

This would help the private campground industry and improve the ambience of
wilderness campgrounds.  (Gensets between 2-3pm only?)

I can dream...
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Eksak - 30 Nov 2006 06:20 GMT
we have a 1500 watt space heater that we use, it has the safety feature
that if it is tipped over, it automatically turns off.  in our '84 coleman
Sun Valley, it keeps the entire Pop Up toasty even on those cold nights.  
Of course, we are spoiled and have only used the popup at campgrounds that
have electric hookups.
Karl & Angela - 30 Nov 2006 21:01 GMT
> we have a 1500 watt space heater that we use, it has the safety feature
> that if it is tipped over, it automatically turns off.  in our '84 coleman
> Sun Valley, it keeps the entire Pop Up toasty even on those cold nights.
> Of course, we are spoiled and have only used the popup at campgrounds that
> have electric hookups.

Another example of how everyone is different.  Angela and I think WE are
spoiled by being able to NOT camp in campgrounds, but instead having the
luxury of camping in a clearing deep in the woods away from
everyone/everything.

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Jim Redelfs - 30 Nov 2006 23:30 GMT
> Of course, we are spoiled and have only used the popup at campgrounds that
> have electric hookups.

Many folks CAN'T "dry" camp because their RV isn't properly equipped and
provisioned to do so.  Many fear the unknown.  However, anyone that has tent
camped can certainly remember what it was like BEFORE they used an extension
cord EACH time they camped.  If the power goes out in an RV, you are pretty
much back to primitive tent-like camping.  No big deal.

For me, it's a challenge to ensure that we have all the comforts of home a
long way from an electrical hookup.  It takes some extra work, but the
benefits are huge.

A friend spent his visit to Yellowstone National Park...

<http://www.nps.gov/yell/>

...safely and securely PLUGGED-IN at a private campground "just outside" the
park because there are no hookups IN the park.  (One exception)

Many folks, particularly those from east of the Mississippi River, that have
NOT visited our first national park, tend to forget that the park is LARGER
than several eastern states.

Camping "just outside" the park is a 50-mile commute!   :)

Not for me!  When WE visited there, we spent five nights, toasty warm, at
Norris Geyser Basin campground - living in the wilderness and soothing quiet.

Look, ma!  No hookups!   :)

Camping there during "high season" wouldn't have been to my liking.  That is,
if we were to have gone in July or August, we wouldn't have needed artificial
heat to stay warm overnight but we would have had to endure traffic jams and
THRONGS of people.  That's not my cup of tea.

Instead, we went right after school got out - the last week in May.  Of
course, it gets downright COLD up there that early in the season.  I'll never
forget the late afternoon we got back from day-tripping and Leslie made a
full-blown, x-course meal of fried chicken, mashed potatoes and gravy.  We
hung wet laundry from a line strung between the two bunkend poles.  We then
crawled into bed.  The 12VDC furnace cycled all night keeping us cozy and
dried the clean laundry!

In the morning, with a hot cup of coffee, I stepped-out into pure wilderness.  
Once just can't do that at a KOA.

Whether one is absolutely secluded or "just" camping in a wilderness with a
handful of other campers doesn't matter much to me.  Camped in a private
campground, with full hookups, with a neighbor close enough to hear their
conversation is OK - for what it is:  A place to hookup, do some laundry, go
into town to restock BEFORE you head into the wilderness!
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Rich256 - 01 Dec 2006 03:14 GMT
>> Of course, we are spoiled and have only used the popup at campgrounds that
>> have electric hookups.
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> conversation is OK - for what it is:  A place to hookup, do some laundry, go
> into town to restock BEFORE you head into the wilderness!

And if you are up to it and really want to get away from it all, the
"Flat Tops" in the White River is the greatest.   It's wilderness area
and no motor vehicles allowed.  Best explored if you can get a couple
horses and mules.

http://www.coloradowilderness.com/wildpages/flattops.html
Wesley - 02 Dec 2006 01:52 GMT
I sat down recently and thought over what camping we've done this year.
With the exception of one weekend when we camped primarily as an alternative
to staying in a hotel, all our camping was dry camping.

We found a close campground a few years ago that's $13 a night and has flush
toilets and hot showers, but no electric.  Plus it's back up in the
mountains (George Washington National Forest in VA) and quite nice.
Occasionally there are some annoying people around, but it's always been
nicer and quieter than the other nice local campground...and half the price!
Only got there one weekend this summer.  It would have been twice, but the
first scheduled outing was scheduled due to the fact that the front of our
camper was still in pieces (travel trailer...rotted wood...photos here -
http://www.megley.com/photos/camperrepair)

Then we spent 2 long to extra-long weekends at the National Park Service
camprounds on the Cape Hatteras National Seashore.  A few nights at Oregon
Inlet, then back again to Ocracoke in the fall.  Wish I could go back!!

But...now the camper is winterized and sitting around waiting for spring...
Should be an adventure next year...our son is currently 9 months old and now
is into everything...

Wesley

> > Of course, we are spoiled and have only used the popup at campgrounds that
> > have electric hookups.
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> conversation is OK - for what it is:  A place to hookup, do some laundry, go
> into town to restock BEFORE you head into the wilderness!
 
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