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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / November 2006

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KidThrifty - 24 Nov 2006 02:54 GMT
Hello to all.
Help me out here.  This may be a stupid question but I am a first timer at
towing.
My jayco owners manual tells me that the toungue of my camper should be at
14" above the ground when level.
My Yukon sits such that the bottom of the ball hitch with no drop is at
about 21"
I bought the biggest drop I could find which was 5 1/4" so now my hitch is
at about 16 1/2" and the trailer is supposed to be at 14" when level
Am I going to have problems because of the 2 1/2" difference when I tow?
Thanks
tobe - 24 Nov 2006 03:29 GMT
Put your new hitch bar and ball in the hitch, get a measuring tape, and
then stand on the ball.  Measure the distance from the bottom of the
ball hitch to the ground.  This MAY be lower than 16 1/2 inches.  Your
weight will approximate the weight from the trailer on the hitch ball.

Get a level, and level your unhitched trailer.   Measure from the bottom
of the part that goes over the ball to the ground.  This will give you
an accurate measurement, not just what the manufacturer states. You want
these to be about the same.  2 1/2 inches is a little more than I am
comfortable with.

You want at least 10% of the loaded weight of the trailer to be on the
hitch.  You may have to get a scale and measure the weight that will be
on the hitch at the height it will be sitting.  You can actually use a
bathroom scale for this.  Put the scale on the ground, and cut a 2 X 4
or 4 X 4 to the right length (so that the trailer will be where it would
be when hitched up).  Put the wood on the scale, then lower the trailer
onto the wood (until the front wheel is off the ground).  Adjust your
stuff in the trailer until you get the right weight up there.

> My jayco owners manual tells me that the toungue of my camper should be at
> 14" above the ground when level.
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> Am I going to have problems because of the 2 1/2" difference when I tow?
> Thanks
Chuck James - 24 Nov 2006 03:46 GMT
I don't THINK that will matter too much, but just to be sure, are BOTH
vehicles on level ground, when you are mesuring the tongue height?  I drive
a Tahoe, and I had to turn my stinger over to increase the height for my
Rockwood 2516, compared to other trailers (not RV's) I have towed.

> Hello to all.
> Help me out here.  This may be a stupid question but I am a first timer at
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> Am I going to have problems because of the 2 1/2" difference when I tow?
> Thanks
KidThrifty - 24 Nov 2006 04:17 GMT
My 07 Yukon is on level ground.  When I stand on the ball, it drops it down
to about 16"
The trailer is not on level ground.  When I get it level the trailer, the
bottom of the frame is at about 14" but the tongue of the trailer that sits
over the ball is about 1/2- 3/4" higher.  It is a surge brake system welded
to the frame so it sit's a bit higher than the bottom of the trailer frame.
So, optimistically, the ball sits at 16" roughly and the trailer at 14 1/2".
It's between 1 1/2" -2" difference with weight on the tow vehicle.  It might
even sit a bit lower with it loaded.  I have a wife, 2 kids and a dog, not
to mention other items for camping.
Hopefully this setup will work.

>I don't THINK that will matter too much, but just to be sure, are BOTH
>vehicles on level ground, when you are mesuring the tongue height?  I drive
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>> Am I going to have problems because of the 2 1/2" difference when I tow?
>> Thanks
Chuck James - 24 Nov 2006 12:22 GMT
Shouldn't be a problem.   Just load most of the weight in the front of the
trailer.
> My 07 Yukon is on level ground.  When I stand on the ball, it drops it
> down to about 16"
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>>> Am I going to have problems because of the 2 1/2" difference when I tow?
>>> Thanks
Jim Redelfs - 24 Nov 2006 04:36 GMT
> the toungue of my camper should be at 14" above the ground when level.
> My Yukon sits such that the bottom of the ball hitch with no drop is at
> about 21"  I bought the biggest drop I could find which was 5 1/4"

You didn't look around enough.  Longer "drops" are available but, due to their
increasingly low demand (the longer they get), they won't be found retail.

> Am I going to have problems because of the 2 1/2" difference when I tow?

Probably not, given your tow vehicle.

Then again, the Tahoe/Yukon is a shorter wheelbase vehicle.  When towing, a
LONGER wheelbase is better than a shorter one.  For safety's sake, you should
probably try to level the trailer.  See you if can get your money back for the
5-1/4-inch drop drawbar then go on-line and ORDER the appropriate drop drawbar.
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Tomes - 24 Nov 2006 04:37 GMT
> Hello to all.
> Help me out here.  This may be a stupid question but I am a first timer at
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> Am I going to have problems because of the 2 1/2" difference when I tow?
> Thanks

Bottom line is that you want your trailer to trail level to the ground.  A
couple of inches might not make a lot of difference; it can vary with
different rigs.  If you find that it trails nice and does not wander you
might just be fine.
Tomes
Karl & Angela - 24 Nov 2006 19:04 GMT
> This may be a stupid question but I am a first timer at
> towing.

The stupid thing would be NOT asking the question!  If you have concerns,
there are a number of very experienced people here that are more than
willing to help out new folks.  Just remember (and this is NOT a slam on
anyone here), it is the internet, and some of the advice you'll get is
worth what you paid for it.

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`02 Durango
`05 Fleetwood Allegiance

Tomes - 25 Nov 2006 04:22 GMT
>> This may be a stupid question but I am a first timer at
>> towing.
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> anyone here), it is the internet, and some of the advice you'll get is
> worth what you paid for it.

I absolutely second K&A's advice here.
Tomes
Jim Redelfs - 25 Nov 2006 08:52 GMT
> >> This may be a stupid question but I am a first timer at
> >> towing.
> >
> > The stupid thing would be NOT asking the question!

> I absolutely second K&A's advice here.

Yes, but was it Karl OR Angela's advice?

(This is a TRICK question.  Since I know the answer, I'm not eligible.)

Where are you, Karl?
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Karl & Angela - 25 Nov 2006 13:07 GMT
>> >> This may be a stupid question but I am a first timer at
>> >> towing.
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>
> Where are you, Karl?

When that was posted, was in El Segundo, am typing this from Honolulu.  It
would be great weather for camping here, but the Durango doesn't have fluid
drive to make the trip.  :)

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RichA - 24 Nov 2006 21:43 GMT
>Hello to all.
>Help me out here.  This may be a stupid question but I am a first timer at
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Am I going to have problems because of the 2 1/2" difference when I tow?
>Thanks

Hi,
You should load up your trailer and tow vehicle as you would for travel
then hitch them together on level ground.  Now check and see if the
trailer sits level.  If not measure from the front of the frame to the
ground, then measure from the rear of the frame to the ground.  Subtract
the smaller number from the larger and that is the size of the drop you
need to add to get the trailer level. Doing this will take into account
the tongue weight of the trailer and suspension of the tow vehicle. A
little high 1/2 to 1 inch is better then low to allow for additional
weight you may put on the trailer or in the tow vehicle and suspension
wear over time.  

When the trailer is not level it can cause problems in certain
situations.  If the front of the trailer is high, hitch ball not low
enough, a sudden or panic stop could lift the rear of the tow vehicle
reducing rear braking.  If it's low a sudden or panic stop could push
the rear of the tow vehicle down lifting the front of the tow vehicle
affecting steering and front braking.

During normal towing and stopping the hitch height doesn't matter as
much, unless it's way off,  it's just when bad things happen that the
hitch height can make things worse.  How much depends upon the
combination of the tow vehicle and trailer and how they react together.

Take Care and Happy Campin...
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"We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"

Calif Bill - 26 Nov 2006 04:50 GMT
> Hello to all.
> Help me out here.  This may be a stupid question but I am a first timer at
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> Am I going to have problems because of the 2 1/2" difference when I tow?
> Thanks

With a 21" height you have to have a raised vehicle.  I week stingers with a
lot more than a 6" drop on some of the trucks.  Ask at the place you got the
parts to raise the truck.
nobodyhome1 - 26 Nov 2006 15:43 GMT
Hi Kid,
We to have a Jayco with the 14" suggested height. It is pretty low! We have
to use a 6" drop on our 4x4 F150. The problem we had before getting down to
the 14" was the back of the trailer dragging on driveways, etc. The extra
height in front translates to decreased clearance in back! Good luck, Steve

> Hello to all.
> Help me out here.  This may be a stupid question but I am a first timer at
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> Am I going to have problems because of the 2 1/2" difference when I tow?
> Thanks

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