I ran my 3-way fridge on propane for the first time this past weekend.
The ambient temperature was around 24°C during the day and 15°C at
night. The fridge seemed to cool at first but then it was near ambient.
I kept checking to make sure a flame was present. On the last night, I
switched over to DC. In the morning, the battery was dead and the fridge
was still not cold. The fridge works well on AC (actually freezes items
in fridge) but I had no electrical hookup this trip.
Any things to look for on the fridge to improve propane performance?
Does it require service? DIY? The fridge is manufactured by NorCold - I
don't recall the model number off hand but it is in a tent trailer.
I'd appreciate any advice.
Thanks,
DS
Calif Bill - 04 Sep 2007 17:22 GMT
>I ran my 3-way fridge on propane for the first time this past weekend. The
>ambient temperature was around 24°C during the day and 15°C at night. The
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> Thanks,
> DS
When mine did not cool on propane, the thermocouple was bad.
AustinMN - 04 Sep 2007 19:35 GMT
> I ran my 3-way fridge on propane for the first time this past weekend.
> The ambient temperature was around 24°C during the day and 15°C at
> night. The fridge seemed to cool at first but then it was near ambient.
> I kept checking to make sure a flame was present. On the last night, I
> switched over to DC. In the morning, the battery was dead and the fridge
> was still not cold.
That doesn't surprise me - even with unlimited 12V, the fridge won't
cool much on 12V. You have to think of it as "buying time" when in
transit (connected to tow vehicle with tow vehicle engine running).
> The fridge works well on AC (actually freezes items
> in fridge) but I had no electrical hookup this trip.
Most people pre-cool the fridge on 120V for 24 hours, then switch to
12V or propane as appropriate.
> Any things to look for on the fridge to improve propane performance?
> Does it require service? DIY? The fridge is manufactured by NorCold - I
> don't recall the model number off hand but it is in a tent trailer.
There are a few things:
* The tubing from the gas valve to the actual burner can attract a
variety of insects/spiders that can partly or completely clog it.
* The burner can be come clogged with an ash-like powder that needs to
be cleaned.
* The fridge coils can become covered with or clogged by debris that
can reduce their efficiency.
All of these are serviceable by someone with reasonable handyman
skills.
Other things that can affect the effectiveness of the fridge:
* The fridge may not stay below 40 deg. F (4.5 deg. C), which is the
key number, if the ambient temperature is too high. This could become
a problem at anywhere between 85 and 100 deg F (29-38 deg C),
depending on a number of factors.
* The fridge will not work as well if the vent has the sun shining on
it.
* The fridge will gradually loose effectiveness if it is run
significantly out-of-level (4 degrees is usually the max. angle, which
translates to about 4" (10 cm) side-to-side on a pop-up trailer).
This damage is permanent and can not be repaired. Usually, operating
on the road does NOT contribute to this kind of damage.
Austin
Chris Cowles - 05 Sep 2007 05:47 GMT
> That doesn't surprise me - even with unlimited 12V, the fridge won't
> cool much on 12V. You have to think of it as "buying time" when in
> transit (connected to tow vehicle with tow vehicle engine running).
Doing that will connected to the tow vehicle also requires very large
conductors direct from the power source all the way back to the point
of connection to the refrigerator. Otherwise the refrigerator 12v heat
source can't get enough power to function adequately.

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AustinMN - 05 Sep 2007 19:32 GMT
> > That doesn't surprise me - even with unlimited 12V, the fridge won't
> > cool much on 12V. You have to think of it as "buying time" when in
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> of connection to the refrigerator. Otherwise the refrigerator 12v heat
> source can't get enough power to function adequately.
There are very few "charge" lines wired for less than 30 amps, far
more than the 10 amps the fridge draws on 12V. (Self-wired setups are
an exception, where any size wire may have been used.)
OTOH, the fridge can draw enough to prevent the "charge" line from
doing much charging, where a difference of just a few tenths of a volt
make the difference between full charge and half charge.
Austin
Wesley - 05 Sep 2007 13:16 GMT
Have you tried it on AC since you got back home? Or is your "works on AC"
statement an assumption from before your trip? If it doesn't work on AC
now, you've got a bigger problem.
Not surprising that running it on DC killed your battery. A gas/electric
fridge cools by heating only (odd concept, I know!) So, running on DC, it
is just pulling a lot of current to run a heating element. You'll want to
only use that while on the road...and as someone else has noted, with a
heavy-gauge wire running to it. The jostling on the road will keep the
refrigerant solution circulating, but if you stop somewhere off-level, be
sure to turn it off, or it will get damaged. Not sure how quickly
though...been wondering that myself.
How does the flame look? Strong and blue? Or lazy and orange? Look in
from the outside (may have to remove your vent covers since it's a pop-up)
and make sure nothing is obstructing airflow. An ammonia absorption fridge
works by having a draft of air cooling the coils and fins. If something has
blocked it up, that will be a problem. I bought a used travel trailer back
in the spring and in my inspection after purchase, I found insulation had
fallen in at the top cooling fins (the critical ones)! If that's clear,
check the flue and make sure nothing has blocked it or fallen down inside.
If you pull the fridge out, you should find a blue baffle hanging from the
top of the chimney above where the flame is. Pull it out and make sure all
is clear down inside.
Let me know what you find and I can try to help from there...
Wesley
> I ran my 3-way fridge on propane for the first time this past weekend.
> The ambient temperature was around 24°C during the day and 15°C at
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> Thanks,
> DS
DS - 05 Sep 2007 15:26 GMT
> Have you tried it on AC since you got back home? Or is your "works on AC"
> statement an assumption from before your trip? If it doesn't work on AC
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> Wesley
Thanks for your advice. I'll be looking further into this on the
weekend. But to answer one of your questions: the fridge was on AC
before we left on our trip and it was nice and cold inside. I do have
heavy gauge wiring to run the fridge while driving, but I never do. It
is always still cool by the time I get to my destination. We also tend
to pack all our food in coolers for the trip since the trailer stays
closed down while at home (I only pop it up enough to open the door and
load stuff in).
My first action will be to check the flame and do some cleaning in the
burner box. I'll report back next week.
Thanks,
DS
Wesley - 06 Sep 2007 00:30 GMT
You are very welcome...hope it helps. I would still suggest plugging it
into AC again and make sure it is still working ok that way. Just because
it was before you left on the trip is no guarantee it still is. The AC mode
is a known quantity...it puts out the same amount of heat always (assuming
voltage is correct). Gas can vary if there's any sort of a problem. It's
not that you just need heat...you need the correct amount of heat.
If you have a can of compressed air, you might try blowing things out with
it...that seemed to work pretty well to clean the dust/rust/dirt/etc out of
mine after I bought it.
Good luck!
Wesley
> Thanks for your advice. I'll be looking further into this on the
> weekend. But to answer one of your questions: the fridge was on AC
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> Thanks,
> DS
DS - 14 Sep 2007 14:56 GMT
> You are very welcome...hope it helps. I would still suggest plugging it
> into AC again and make sure it is still working ok that way. Just because
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>> Thanks,
>> DS
I pulled open the burner box and found all sorts of crud in there. I
cleaned it out and took a look at the flame. It is pure blue but it does
not seem very big - maybe 1 cm in height. Is this normal?
I'll be camping again soon so I'll try running on propane to see if it
works any better than last time. Unfortunately I can't try it out in the
driveway since the camper stays closed down.
Regards,
DS
Wesley - 16 Sep 2007 04:04 GMT
Yeah, that's probably about right. But probably the burner jets are making
the flame fairly wide and looking like several little humps? I'm assuming
you cleaned/blew it out as best you could? If it's that dirty, you may need
to pull the fridge and clean the chimney/flue.
You should be able to run it with the camper down? Assuming you can leave
the camper door open and/or it doesn't get too hot inside to affect the
fridge trying to cool otherwise...
Let us know how it works out...
Wesley
> I pulled open the burner box and found all sorts of crud in there. I
> cleaned it out and took a look at the flame. It is pure blue but it does
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> Regards,
> DS