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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / November 2007

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Towing a Pop-up

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yocraze - 24 Oct 2007 18:14 GMT
Hey group!

I'm thinking of getting a Hyundai Santa Fe -- anyone know whether that
will have enough UMPPH (with a V-6) to pull most anything Pop-Up
related?

Thanks!

Y
Mark Jones - 24 Oct 2007 18:31 GMT
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I don't think it would for some of the biggest ones. The big
ones are available in 14 and 16 foot box length. I pull a
Fleetwood Niagara with a 14 foot box using a 2004 Ford
F-150 4x4 5.4L and am glad that I have a full size truck
to pull it with. It also gives me enough cargo capacity to
toss a bicycle, generator and coolers in the bed of the truck.

It is an extended cab and I end up with the area behind the
seats packed full of stuff that I do not want exposed to the
weather. I traded in a Ford Ranger 4x4 4.0L V-6 for a full
size truck and it was a very good thing to do.
tobe - 24 Oct 2007 19:45 GMT
> Hey group!
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> I'm thinking of getting a Hyundai Santa Fe -- anyone know whether that
> will have enough UMPPH (with a V-6) to pull most anything Pop-Up
> related?

The Santa Fe comes with a choice of 2 different engines...both V6.  The
first is a 2.7L V-6 with a rated towing capacity of "2000-3500 pounds".
 The 3.3L V-6 comes with a towing capacity of "3500-5000 pounds".  This
is IF it comes with the towing package, which includes a transmission
cooler, among other things.  The packages that include the towing stuff
range from $1276 to $4720 over base price, depending on which other
fancy car features you want.

I would go with the lower numbers...i.e. 2000 or 3500 pounds depending
on which engine, since I think the higher numbers really refer to towing
with NOTHING but the driver in the Santa Fe (unrealistic).

Using the standard safety margin of 75%, the Santa Fe with the larger
engine can probably safely tow about 2625 pounds (total...trailer plus
all the extras and stuff you put in it).  Lots of smallish pop-ups these
days are about that weight (loaded) or more.

The Santa Fe is not a very large vehicle, and not a great wheelbase for
towing.

It can probably tow a smallish not-too-heavy trailer (with trailer
brakes) on level ground for not-very-long distances, but I would not
haul a trailer hundreds of miles with this vehicle, nor up much of a
grade for long.
rigger - 24 Oct 2007 20:34 GMT
> I'm thinking of getting a Hyundai Santa Fe -- anyone know whether that
> will have enough UMPPH (with a V-6) to pull most anything Pop-Up
> related?

Depends on the GVWR and (if spec'ed) the GCWR.

The engine should handle things okay, long as you're not trying to pull the
Grand Hotel On Wheels. I'd check deeper into what towing options you can get
in the tranny/suspension departments, though.

-Dave

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yocraze - 26 Oct 2007 00:34 GMT
Thanks for the great advice -- I'm looking for something that is not too
truck-like, doesn't suck gas like air, and is relatively comfortable for
the weekender trips.  If the Sante Fe isn't the plan, what SUVs do the
trick, if any, for the Pop-Up world?

Thanks again -- Yocraze

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miles - 26 Oct 2007 04:42 GMT
> Thanks for the great advice -- I'm looking for something that is not too
> truck-like, doesn't suck gas like air, and is relatively comfortable for
> the weekender trips.  If the Sante Fe isn't the plan, what SUVs do the
> trick, if any, for the Pop-Up world?

Getting great mpg and being able to tow a decent popup aren't all that
possible.  Something has to suffer!  Either you get good mpg and poor
towing or great towing abilities but poor or mediocre mpg.

I towed a popup for many years with a Nissan 4x4 V6 pickup.  It got
about 13 towing and 18 not towing highway.

One of the problems is with todays popups.  In the 90's my 1st popup was
a Coleman Roanoke.  It weighed about 1200lbs fully loaded.  It did not
have a shower or potty. My next popup was a Coleman Shenendoah.  It
weighed 2000lbs fully loaded and had a shower and potty.  Todays popups
are HEAVY!  Theres only a select few that are light and I'm not sure if
a 1200lb loaded popup can be bought new anymore.

Most of the smaller SUV's don't get very good mpg.  Especially since
you'll want the larger engines for towing.

Our 2004 Hemi Durango 4x4 is overkill for your needs.  But it pulls our
5000lb Hybrid easily and gets 13mpg towing and 20mpg not towing highway.
 Perfect for us.
rigger - 27 Oct 2007 02:15 GMT
> Getting great mpg and being able to tow a decent popup aren't all that
> possible.  Something has to suffer!  Either you get good mpg and poor
> towing or great towing abilities but poor or mediocre mpg.

Oh, I dunno...
I get virtually the same fuel economy in my truck ('89 Chevy 1/2-ton 2WD,
350-V8, TBI injection) whether towing my pop-up or not, about 16mpg.

(...and sixteen miles per gallon is pretty darn good for a full-size pickup.)

-Dave

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miles - 27 Oct 2007 02:39 GMT
> Oh, I dunno...
> I get virtually the same fuel economy in my truck ('89 Chevy 1/2-ton 2WD,
> 350-V8, TBI injection) whether towing my pop-up or not, about 16mpg.
>
> (...and sixteen miles per gallon is pretty darn good for a full-size pickup.)

16mpg is decent for a full size truck but lousy in general!  I get about
18mpg in my 3/4 diesel truck.  Around 15-16 towing.

None the less many people want much better mpg especially when not
towing. They often buy minivans and mini SUV's, neither of which handle
loads very well.
rigger - 28 Oct 2007 02:08 GMT
> 16mpg is decent for a full size truck but lousy in general!  I get about
> 18mpg in my 3/4 diesel truck.  Around 15-16 towing.

I would submit that 16mpg isn't quite "lousy in general," given the number of
large sedans out there on the road that can't beat it. The current CAFE light
truck standard is only 20.7mpg, anyway.

I have the motorcycle for fuel-efficient transport when that's what's
appropriate. It *does* tow trailers, too, albeit maybe not my Rockwood. :-)

> None the less many people want much better mpg especially when not
> towing. They often buy minivans and mini SUV's, neither of which handle
> loads very well.

They also don't get all that great fuel economy, either; at least not as good
as the buyers are led to believe they'll get, at any rate.

-Dave

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Jonathan - 26 Oct 2007 15:03 GMT
Greetings,

Instead of the Santa Fe, I would consider the Kia Sorento.  They both share
the same 3.7L 6-cylinder powerplant, but the Sorento has three major
advantages over the Santa Fe when it comes to towing.  Both are the same
size and have similar capacities, and since Hyundai owns Kia both are very
good quality and share many of the same components.

The first advantage that the Sorento has for towing is rear wheel drive,
which has a stronger transmission than the comparable front wheel drive in
the Santa Fe.  It's the nature of the beast that a FWD tranny will be more
compact for the same application, plus RWD handles better for towing.

The second is a solid rear axle instead of the more car-like independent
rear suspension of the Santa Fe.  This is better for handling while towing
and overall load capacity.

And third, the Sorento has a full frame with nine crossmembers instead of
the more carlike unibody design of the Santa Fe.

You're not going to get much more in the way of capacity and still stay with
the caveats of not being too truck-like, good comfort and fuel efficiency if
you move up to anything larger like the Trailblazer or the Explorer,
especially in this price range.  For the price and size of a Sorento or
Santa Fe, the comparably price Honda CR-V or Toyota Rav-4 aren't in the same
league for towing as the Sorento.  Of course it all depends on how much
money you want to spend...

Just my two cents worth!

Cheers - Jonathan

> Thanks for the great advice -- I'm looking for something that is not too
> truck-like, doesn't suck gas like air, and is relatively comfortable for
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yocraze - 27 Oct 2007 03:01 GMT
Great advice, Jonathan -- I'll look into it... and thanks!

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Wesley - 29 Oct 2007 02:34 GMT
Unless you have a pretty light pop-up, you're really going to want to look
for something that is "truck-like".  The truck-like vehicles are going to be
designed to tow and do it well.  Whatever you get, don't expect to get
stellar gas mileage while towing.  I heard someone once complain about how
horrible their first trip was towing a 21' travel trailer...the gas mileage
was horrible...like 10mpg!  Huh...imagine that, towing around something
about as heavy as the vehicle itself!  :-)

Good luck!

Wesley

> Thanks for the great advice -- I'm looking for something that is not too
> truck-like, doesn't suck gas like air, and is relatively comfortable for
> the weekender trips.  If the Sante Fe isn't the plan, what SUVs do the
> trick, if any, for the Pop-Up world?
>
> Thanks again -- Yocraze
Warren Moore - 30 Oct 2007 02:15 GMT
I have a 2003 Santa Fe with the 3.5L V6.  It tows my 1995 Coleman
Arcadia (over a ton with all the junk that the wife and I carry)
with absolutely no trouble.  On the other hand, I wouldn't try it
with the smaller V6 (2.7L) back then.  The new 3.2L actually has
more HP and torque than my older one, so they should work with
pretty well anything around a ton or so.

Warren Moore (1995 Coleman Arcadia)

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Zeppo - 30 Oct 2007 20:45 GMT
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Yo,
I have a 2005 Santa Fe 3.5L V6 and tow an '87 Coleman Chesapeake, without
brakes. It comes in at ~1900 lbs fully loaded. My Santa Fe has no problem
towing this but I would not feel comfortable towing anything much heavier.
The 3 trips we've used it on were all mountain trips and the Santy did very
well.

In looking to replace my pop-up this year  I was unable top find anything
current (new to 5 years old) near this size that was this light.

BTW, the Santa Fe is a wonderful vehicle but my gas mileage sucks. 16-17 MPG
Suburban driving.

Hope this helps,
Jon
Tvfarmer - 12 Nov 2007 20:00 GMT
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I tow a 2000 Coleman Cheyenne with my 99 town and country with a 3.8 l
v6 with 100k, Made 5 trips this year it that size engine handled it
fine. As long as you watch the trailer weight all the ones with pull
outs were too heavy. Just follow the weight limits of the truck and
stay about 500+ pounds under that- gear (and friends) add weight up
quick.
Jeff
 
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