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Formaldehyde and camping

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tobe - 15 Feb 2008 18:53 GMT
Now that the CDC has confirmed high (toxic) levels of formaldehyde in
the travel trailers FEMA supplied to Katrina victims, especially in warm
weather, I did a google search on Formaldehyde in campers.  It turns out
that:

1.  There are no regulations about or standards for levels of
formaldehyde for RV trailers/campers.  This will probably change soon.

2.  Probably all RV trailer/camper manufacturers in the past have used
products (such as in floors) which can give off a lot of formaldehyde.

3.  The RV Industry association set standards only recently for
formaldehyde in RV's that parallel those standards used in 'manufactured
housing'.  This is not law or regulation, and no notice is required to
buyers (it IS required for manufactured housing).

I have even seen one web site where a person had a log of his complaints
about his TT and formaldehyde smell, and the responses from the dealer
and the manufacturer (Jayco) first acknowledging a problem and giving
advice about how to get rid of the fumes, then denying that there ever
was a problem.

I have heard of some camper manufacturers that had already switched to
formaldehyde-free construction products before the recent flap.

I suppose that pop-up campers are so non-air tight that a toxic buildup
of formaldehyde is unlikely after it is opened up for a few minutes.
Even so, I would recommend a *thorough* airing of the camper especially
in the Spring with the first opening, and then also every time you open
the camper up, *before* closing all windows and doors for air
conditioning or heating.  The higher the temperature the more
formaldehyde is released.

Test kits for formaldehyde levels in the air do exits, if you are
interested.

At any rate, if you or someone you know is going to purchase a new
pop-up camper, I would suggest doing your homework about the use of
formaldehyde containing products in the manufacture (and knowing the
answer, if possible, before asking the dealer, so that if his answer is
wrong, you can run for the nearest exit).
asadi - 16 Feb 2008 03:11 GMT
> Now that the CDC has confirmed high (toxic) levels of formaldehyde in the
> travel trailers FEMA supplied to Katrina victims, especially in warm
> weather, I did a google search on Formaldehyde in campers.

...Did you run across any info in regards to age of the camper...are
constant levels released or does this fall off over time...?

john
tobe - 16 Feb 2008 03:43 GMT
>> Now that the CDC has confirmed high (toxic) levels of formaldehyde in the
>> travel trailers FEMA supplied to Katrina victims, especially in warm
>> weather, I did a google search on Formaldehyde in campers.
>
> ...Did you run across any info in regards to age of the camper...are
> constant levels released or does this fall off over time...?

I did not find this information out.  However, the FEMA trailers are at
least two years old now...   I will look and try to find out about less
emissions over time.
tobe - 16 Feb 2008 04:58 GMT
The following website:

http://web.bsu.edu/ien/archives/082506.htm

discussed the decrease in formaldehyde release over time. stating that
it decreases "by as much as 50-75% over a period of several years. Most
of the decrease occurs in the first 6 to 9 months of the unit’s history."

Remember, however, that the FEMA trailers are 2.5 years old and tests
just finished by the CDC found toxic levels in some travel
trailers...and it is not hot & humid weather [which increases release of
formaldehyde] yet, even there!  Note that smoking makes it worse, as
cigarette smoke releases some formaldehyde as well.

As per one news report:  "The Sierra Club conducted air-quality tests
last year that showed 83 percent of trailers contained formaldehyde at
levels that can irritate the eyes and sinuses."

HTH

>> Now that the CDC has confirmed high (toxic) levels of formaldehyde in the
>> travel trailers FEMA supplied to Katrina victims, especially in warm
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>
> john
Wesley - 16 Feb 2008 14:00 GMT
Another reason I'm happy to have an older camper...not much to worry about
here.  :-)  I heard someone several years ago talking about that same danger
in brand new homes - fumes from the carpet especially.  I don't know how
well-founded those fears may be though...

Sounds like a good reason to keep your camper aired out!  Not as much of a
problem with pop-ups I'm sure, but I could see it easily being a problem
with a new travel trailer.  Especially since they have few small windows and
most folks just keep them closed up and run the AC.

It will be interesting to hear how the industry responds...

Wesley

> ...Did you run across any info in regards to age of the camper...are
> constant levels released or does this fall off over time...?
>
> john
Tomes - 16 Feb 2008 19:03 GMT
> Another reason I'm happy to have an older camper...not much to worry about
> here.  :-)  I heard someone several years ago talking about that same
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>
> It will be interesting to hear how the industry responds...

If they do at all.....

> Wesley
>
>> ...Did you run across any info in regards to age of the camper...are
>> constant levels released or does this fall off over time...?
>>
>> john
Chris Cowles - 17 Feb 2008 19:17 GMT
> At any rate, if you or someone you know is going to purchase a new
> pop-up camper, I would suggest doing your homework about the use of
> formaldehyde containing products in the manufacture (and knowing the
> answer, if possible, before asking the dealer, so that if his answer
> is wrong, you can run for the nearest exit).

While kicking tires on new travel trailers at a dealer last year,
several were brand new with upholstery still wrapped in plastic. It
was the peak of summer in Florida and the trailers were ovens. I
couldn't even go inside some of them because the formaldehyde fumes
burned my eyes instantly.
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Gainesville, FL

bsmi021b - 24 Mar 2008 14:25 GMT
> Now that the CDC has confirmed high (toxic) levels of formaldehyde in
> the travel trailers FEMA supplied to Katrina victims, especially in warm
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> answer, if possible, before asking the dealer, so that if his answer is
> wrong, you can run for the nearest exit).

Please do not get me wrong it is not a good thing to have this
chemical being used but a HUD manufactured homes and trailers have a
lower theshold requirment to keep costs down. So not blame all the
manufactors blame the FEDS people this has been the case for many
years and all the pepole had to do in the south is open the windows!
How many of you have had new carpeting installed why do you think that
has a smell to it? Yes it is the same chemical some many products in
your home and your rv's have this chemical and have had it for over 30
years so it is nothing new, but untill the feds bad it it will be
used.
tobe - 24 Mar 2008 17:36 GMT
 > Please do not get me wrong it is not a good thing to have this
> chemical being used but a HUD manufactured homes and trailers have a
> lower theshold requirment to keep costs down. So not blame all the
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> years so it is nothing new, but untill the feds bad it it will be
> used.

WHY do there have to be regulations for the manufacturers to do what is
right and safe?  IF there were not a problem with formaldehyde fumes in
mobile homes because manufacturers never used formaldehyde containing
materials, there would be no need for regulations. Everybody complains
about Federal regulations running their lives, without realizing that
the Feds generally get involved only when industry does not solve the
problems on their own!

Fortunately, there are at least a few RV manufacturers who have already
stopped using formaldehyde containing materials.  Support those
manufacturers, as they are doing the right thing before being regulated.
 I cannot find a list of those who manufacturers who are eliminating
formaldehyde from their trailers.  Use your nose in the dealer showroom,
and then ASK.

The RV Industry Association

(see the press release at:

http://rvbasics.com/rv-press-release/RVIA-RV-Formaldehyde-Standard.html)

is somewhat behind the eight ball, as their 'standards' do not fully go
into effect until June 1, 2009.
asadi - 25 Mar 2008 16:31 GMT
>  > Please do not get me wrong it is not a good thing to have this
>> chemical being used but a HUD manufactured homes and trailers have a
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>> years so it is nothing new, but untill the feds bad it it will be
>> used.

I heard it was coming out of the plywood imported from China...

john
 
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