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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / March 2008Floor fasteners
Hi i have a 1975ish popup viscount camper. The floor was a bit "spongey" in places so we lifted the lino up and found several fasteners that hold the flooring onto the steel beams under the flooring. They have a flat flush head on them and a hole in the centre of the head, they look like big rivets. i havnt taken one out yet, the local hardware store said they would'nt be rivets becuse rivets are made for metal to metal contact and they would push through the wooden flooring when compressed. Anyone know if they are rivets, or how they are fastened to the beams and what to replace with? The camper top is down at the moment, i think they're approx 10mm across the head. Thanks Gary Just a guess. but they may be fasteners used in lots of (cheap) furniture. The big side is hammered into the wood (after the center hole is drilled) - it has some teeth on the underside which grip the wood - and they have threads inside the center hole. Then a bolt is screwed through the other piece of furniture (or the metal beam in your case) into the center hole. If you replace them, I would guess at least the bolts should be stainless steel. > Hi i have a 1975ish popup viscount camper. > The floor was a bit "spongey" in places so we lifted the lino up and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Anyone know if they are rivets, or how they are fastened to the beams > and what to replace with? These are probably plastic fasteners that use a feathered pin to hold them. They are used quite a bit in the automotive industry. Try http://www.fastenal.com/ for these or look at Loews or Home Depot for Auto fasteners in the specialty fastener cases you know where the wing nuts are and the mirror clips etc. Here is what they look like http://aehonline.thomasnet.com/viewitems/06-rivets/08-series-barbed-rivets-x-mas -tree?&forward=1 > Hi i have a 1975ish popup viscount camper. > The floor was a bit "spongey" in places so we lifted the lino up and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Gary > Hi i have a 1975ish popup viscount camper. > The floor was a bit "spongey" in places so we lifted the lino up and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Gary Have you crawled under the camper and looked up at the underside? If you see a bolt head, the "rivet" is a threaded fastener. Does it look like the following examples of a T-nut?: http://www.stafast.com/products/utnut.html http://www.woodpeck.com/tnut.html Usually these are used, for example, to attach legs to a table top, but there are types that one can thread bolts into from the back side as well. HTH > Hi i have a 1975ish popup viscount camper. > The floor was a bit "spongey" in places so we lifted the lino up and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Anyone know if they are rivets, or how they are fastened to the beams > and what to replace with? It looks like a 10mm flat aluminium pop rivet head whith a small hole in the centre. seeing as no one knows what is used, i'll try and pull one of the buggers out today and let you all know what it is. Gary > It looks like a 10mm flat aluminium pop rivet head whith a small hole in > the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Gary Post a link to a picture. Where can i upload a pic to? Gary >> It looks like a 10mm flat aluminium pop rivet head whith a small hole in >> the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Post a link to a picture. Try clicking.."attach" john > Where can i upload a pic to? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Post a link to a picture. Well, i thought it was not good practice to send attachments in non binary n/g. > Try clicking.."attach" > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>> >>> Post a link to a picture. You are correct. Some folks will see it, and some folks will not, depending on their Usenet server. Folks with slow connections still are chagrinned about having all that data come through slowly, but I do not personally see this as a big issue any more. I go with a good percentage of folks will not see it as my concern. I would recommend Flickr or Shutterfly. Then post a link to it/them here. This will be useful for you in other NGs too when you want to have folks actually see what it is that you are talking about. The old picture being worth 1000 words thing. Tomes "Gary Smith" ... > Well, i thought it was not good practice to send attachments in non binary > n/g. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>>>> out today and let you all know what it is. >>>>> Gary Thankyou, i will do that in the next day or so... Gary. Looking forward to it. > Thankyou, i will do that in the next day or so... > > Gary. > Well, i thought it was not good practice to send attachments in non binary > n/g. I concur. Some news servers won't carry it. Flickr is a good choice. > >>> Post a link to a picture. DOH! > Well, i thought it was not good practice to send attachments in non binary > n/g. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>>> >>>> Post a link to a picture. > Try clicking.."attach" I don't think so, timmy; does the name of this newsgroup contain the word "binaries?" If you want your online photos to actually be seen, know that a lot of ISPs strip binary attachments that people try posting to non-binary newsgroups, and rightly so. Upload to Flickr or Shutterfly, and post a URL pointer here. That'd be good Usenet etiquette. -Dave  Signaturerigger-at-TDS-dot-net IATSE#274 DoD#2117 ACGwB#5 NGI#666 BMoZ#[classified] Alt.test.binaries? john >> Try clicking.."attach" > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -Dave > Alt.test.binaries? news:alt.binaries.photos.original Then, again, I have always wondered how one would POINT to a specific article or articles: Many a file is split across several or numerous articles. Getting a free account on flickr is easy as is posting a photo and getting a URL to it for posting elsewhere. <https://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=flickr&.scrumb=0&new=1&.pd=c%3DE0.Ga hOp2e4MjkX.5l2HgAoLkpmyPvccpVM-&.intl=us&.logout=1&.direct=1&.done=https%3A%2F% 2Flogin.yahoo.com%2Fconfig%2Fvalidate%3F.src%3Dflickr%26.pc%3D5134%26.scrumb%3D 0%26.pd%3Dc%253DE0.GahOp2e4MjkX.5l2HgAoLkpmyPvccpVM-%26.intl%3Dus%26.done%3Dhtt p%253A%252F%252Fwww.flickr.com%252Fsignin%252Fyahoo%252F> Signature:) JR Well i crwated a shutterfly account, surely i dont have to add each individual that wants to view the album?!?!?!!?? ELP > Hi i have a 1975ish popup viscount camper. > The floor was a bit "spongey" in places so we lifted the lino up and found [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Gary > Well i crwated a shutterfly account, surely i dont have to add each > individual that wants to view the album?!?!?!!?? You shouldn't have to. At least, not having a Shutterfly account (IOW, not really experienced there) I would think you could copy some sort of "pointer" (URL) that you could post here. That's how I do it with my Flickr account, such as: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1264/837412446_0f6ac5b870_b.jpg http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1006/836458865_daa4edb663_b.jpg In shutterfly, the visitor may need to know your username there or something and GO FIND the album. Thanks for going to all the hassle! Signature:) JR 2000 Skamper Ultra 249 TT 2002 Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD Vortec 8100 - Allison 1000 Thanks Jim, i created a flickr account, hope these links work: http://www.flickr.com/photos/24249347@N03/2300274530/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24249347@N03/2299478945/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24249347@N03/2299478851/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24249347@N03/2300274300/ Shitty photo's but you get the idea, the rivets are tapered under the head and slightly dished in on top. The only ones i could find around the same size are flat UNDER the head and rounded on top, i popped one in today, its holding but i think i need longer ones. all good fun. Is there a specific ng for camper diy repairs? we are doing one up, it's old, but we don't have much money and are setting it up how we like it. Thanks to all for suggestions/help. Gary >> Well i crwated a shutterfly account, surely i dont have to add each >> individual that wants to view the album?!?!?!!?? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Thanks for going to all the hassle! > Thanks Jim, i created a flickr account, hope these links work: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24249347@N03/2300274530/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24249347@N03/2299478945/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24249347@N03/2299478851/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24249347@N03/2300274300/ They worked fine here! Thanks. > i popped one in today, its holding but i think i need longer > ones. all good fun. I used common pop rivets for some of the repair on my popup camper and they worked fine. I really didn't "tune in" to your project until the [post photos] thing began discussing. I can't imagine any popup maker using a special or proprietary fastener for no other reason than, when it comes to making popups, CHEAP is king. > Is there a specific ng for camper diy repairs? Not that I know of. > we are doing one up, it's old, but we don't have much money > and are setting it up how we like it. While I wouldn't do anything to divert traffic from this newsgroup, and I suspect that most of those that are "worthwhile" from the other newsgroup I am about to recommend also lurk here, feel free to try <news:alt.rv> You may be repairing/restoring a popup but probably most of the work you'll be doing can be related to RVs in general. > Thanks to all for suggestions/help. Don't mention it. It is a thrill to read new, TOPICAL stuff in this newsgroup. Good luck with your project and please keep us posted on your progress. Signature:) JR "Gary Smith" ... > Thanks Jim, i created a flickr account, hope these links work: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Gary The pics worked for me too. I have no idea what your answer is now that I see it. What does the bottom of the thingy look like - threaded or solid? Now that you are an expert on posting pictures, you have a skill that will come in handy lots. Tomes > Thanks Jim, i created a flickr account, hope these links work: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24249347@N03/2300274530/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24249347@N03/2299478945/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24249347@N03/2299478851/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24249347@N03/2300274300/ You only need to post http://www.flickr.com/photos/24249347@N03 to show them all at once. SignatureChris Cowles Gainesville, FL good trick. >> Thanks Jim, i created a flickr account, hope these links work: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You only need to post http://www.flickr.com/photos/24249347@N03 to show > them all at once. > Hi i have a 1975ish popup viscount camper. > The floor was a bit "spongey" in places so we lifted the lino up and found [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Gary Take a look at these pop rivets they are a load-spreading type that may work for your purpose http://www.emhart.com/products/pop/lsh.asp Jeff > Hi i have a 1975ish popup viscount camper. > The floor was a bit "spongey" in places so we lifted the lino up and found [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Gary Probably pop rivets. You can get them with large heads, and they even sell a washer to back up the rivet on softer materials. They are just not for metal to metal use. > Hi i have a 1975ish popup viscount camper. > The floor was a bit "spongey" in places so we lifted the lino up and found [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Gary Gary there are many types of blind fastaners on the market that any manufacture may use but most are a type of rivet so that it is quick to assamble in the factory. I would look under the trailer also and then look around on the web for rivets or fastaners and i am sure you will find it. As for the floor feeling soft i have never been in a trailer yet that there is not somewhere that this is not the case, with weight and building cost in mind there is always something that could be done better, but it always comes down to $$$$$$$$$$. Happy Camping
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