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A number of years ago, when I bought our first motorhome, I inquired about carrying a gun. The best reply was from a retired police sergeant from somewhere. He stated some facts: - The statistics for police shootings are on average less than 15 feet away. These trained men and woman miss more than 80% of the time. - If you are in your RV and someone is trying to enter, the best thing is to make noise. Letting them know someone is inside. Yell that you have called the police and they are on their way. If they continue to try and get in, they are real "bad guys", aimed at doing you bodily harm. Probably high on alcohol or drugs. - If a person is on drugs, a bullet won't stop them; they will keep coming at you. - The only gun that works is a shotgun. You usually can hit your target and it has a good chance of stopping someone. It will wreck your RV pretty much though. - Now, he warns against buying a shotgun named an "avenger", or something like that. - Never say you have a gun for protection. You have it for target shooting, and just happen to have it with you. Join a gun club and even have a box of skeet's with you. - More people are shot with their own gun or that of a family member. - The law says that an RV is not considered a "home", when it's can be moved easily. It would have to be in a trailer park, like with the wheels off. - The only legal way to carry a gun is if the gun is empty and the bullets are stored a distance away. Both not in reach of the driver or passengers. - Some states don't allow carrying one through their state. I think my state, (New York), is one of them. Just some food for thought. Pretty vague advice from a cop... If you are a US citizen, you have the right (Second Ammendent of the US Constitution) to own firearms. This right is not suspended just because you are in an RV. This right is not suspended just because someone is trying to rob you. Any firearm (including a .22) will stop a human, even if they are drunk, stoned, crazy or all three. Just remember, gun control is correct target aquisition, ie: heart, heart, heart. Remember, guns don't kill, people kill. Know your target, and don't flinch. >A number of years ago, when I bought our first motorhome, I inquired > about carrying a gun. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Just some food for thought. > Pretty vague advice from a cop... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Remember, guns don't kill, people kill. Know your target, and don't > flinch. I agree with this poaster. Proper gun control is knowing when to quit shooting also. When they stop moving is a good time to think about stopping. Well, maybe one or two more just in case they are the Rodney King type.  Signature---Scott Hendryx--- There isn't much difference between bird watchers and bird hunters, except we hunters only look for a little while before we start blastin...... What bullshit. << What bullshit. >><BR><BR> What bullshit? I like what Gary Wensell (2nd post of this thread) had to say on this issue. I'm a former police officer from Ohio and when I worked, I would never have bothered a man with a firearm in an RV. If he's sleeping there, I would consider it his home and he would have all the privileges of such. I don't own an RV but if I did, I would keep a firearm in it. An RV'er could be going in and out of all the states. Let's face it. Gun laws vary from state to state because the CONSTITUTION has been usurped everywhere. The 2nd amendment to the Constitution states "" THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP & BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. "" I think the people who wrote these words kept them very simple so EVERYONE would understand them................. Unless someone has the balls to do away with the second amendment, It would take precedence over any "local law" in the UNITED STATES. When I took my oath as a police officer, I had TO SWEAR to UPHOLD the laws of the CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES............... Oh, You could be messed with anytime. Let's face it, anyone who thinks he is a free man in this country in 2005 is out of his mind. Long story short, If I was RVing around the country, I would have a firearm however I would also have a xeroxed copy of the CONSTITUTION with me with the 2nd Amendment highlighted with one of those markers. This would at least get the police officer to thinking as he has sworn to uphold the Constitution or he wouldn't have his job. I have given accurate advice here HOWEVER YOU COULD GO TO JAIL SOMEWHERE IN AMERICA FOR HAVING A FIREARM. Most Americans don't realize that there is ""no freedom anymore"" in America like you were taught in school. An example: The same CONSTITUTION says ONLY CONGRESS HAS THE POWER TO DECLARE WAR. I'll bet you've never seen this happen in your lifetime, have you even though the U.S. has been in several wars................ I'm just an elderly ole surfer who happened to be passing through. If you've read this far, thanks for listening. Most of you seem like nice people. Good day................... Ron >I like what Gary Wensell (2nd post of this thread) had to say on this > issue. I'm a former police officer from Ohio and when I worked, I would [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > passing through. If you've read this far, thanks for listening. Most > of you seem like nice people. Good day................... Ron I agree with this poster. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply! --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- Three or four nights ago, here in Las Vegas, a casino executive was going home at eleven at night. Two members of the Rolling Sixties Crips gang pulled along side him in their stolen Lincoln Towncar and opened up on him with a 12 ga. shotgun. He was hit, and his car left the roadway and struck a wall. He told the first person to reach him that two men in a dark Continental had shot him, and they were captured within half an hour. The man died the next day leaving a widow and a ten year old daughter. The two men who shot him said they wanted to know how it felt to kill someone. The man had a legally permitted concealed firearm in his vehicle. He did not have time or warning to use it. For those who think guy carrying is a subject of paranoid fools, I offer this story. The man would be just as dead, but at least he had a weapon, and had circumstances been a little different may have had a chance. So it is in RVs. I would rather have one than not. Steve > Three or four nights ago, here in Las Vegas, a casino executive was going > home at eleven at night. Two members of the Rolling Sixties Crips gang [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Steve I also agree with this poster. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply! --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- For MoParMaN & others. In this thread, I've heard of the "gun laws" of New Mexico and Vermont touched upon. Could you guys tell me how these laws read? Thanks, ............ Ron > For MoParMaN & others. In this thread, I've heard of the "gun laws" of > New Mexico and Vermont touched upon. Could you guys tell me how these > laws read? Thanks, ............ Ron According to my 2002 Travler's Guide to the Firearm Laws of the Fifty States, (See www.gunlawguide.com)... Vermont has unrestricted handgun, rifle, and shotgun (including "assault weapon") ownership and no permit or license is required; Machine guns may be owned with compliance with federal laws; The state requires uniform firearm laws throughout the state; Open carry is unrestricted in most public area except "state institutions"; No license is required for concealed carry; Rifles and shotguns in vehicles must be unloaded; Handguns may be carried in vehicles loaded and concealed; Discharge and use of firearms may be restricted locally. New Mexico has unrestricted handgun, rifle, and shotgun (including "assault weapon") ownership and no permit or license is required; Machine guns may be owned with compliance with federal laws; The state requires uniform firearm laws throughout the state; Open carry is unrestricted in most public area except "state institutions"; License is granted for concealed carry on a "shall issue basis"; There is no reciprocity for non-residents with carry permit from another state; Rifles, shotguns and handguns may be carried in vehicles loaded and concealed for self-protection; Unloaded firearms may be carried concealed while on foot without the need for a license; Open carry of loaded firearms is permitted; Localities may prohibit individuals with licenses from carrying concealed firearms within their jurisdictions. Get the book. Mine is probably out of date now. John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee JOHN ANDREWS and MoParMaN: Thanks John for all the information you took the time to send about the GUN SITUATION in Vermont and New Mexico................... For MoParMaN: You sound like my kind of man. I'm proud to say I'm not a Yanqui.. :-) Although I worked in Law Enforcement in Ohio, I have now returned to my home state of West Virginia. West Virginia was stolen by the Yanqui's in 1863 during the Civil War in an illegal action. They took about one third of Virginia's ""western counties"" which they had managed to occupy with troops and illegally made it a state. Had the Confederacy won the war, Virginia would have naturally took her western counties back. Three of my Confederate gg-grandfathers were killed by Yanqui's in that war. I'm getting way off topic here................. Sorry about the history lesson and I certainly mean no offense to my Yanqui friends. It's just that my ancestors were hit particularly hard in that war.................. Now I'll get back on topic: West Virginia is a Right-To-Carry state but you have to get a "License or Permit" to carry. I don't even approve of this practice. I'm 61 years of age and I am currently looking after both of my elderly parents who are frail and in bad health. They're in their mid eighties. If I manage to outlive them it's my dream to get a small motor home and hit the road. I've never really had a vacation. I'm divorced so it will be only me and I figure I don't need a big unit OR DO I? COMMENTS WELCOME as I don't know diddly about RVing... :-) TO JOHN and MoParMaN, Thanks again.................. Ron > JOHN ANDREWS and MoParMaN: Thanks John for all the information you took > the time to send about the GUN SITUATION in Vermont and New [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > diddly about RVing... :-) TO JOHN and MoParMaN, Thanks > again.................. Ron I thought my first one was to big, then in about a month, I decided it was too small....CRAP.. SOmething in the 32 to 36 foot range is about right for me and my wife. She can still have her space and I can still have mine. We use it allot for fishing and all of hunting season. In Texas that's a long time. (Sept 1 thru the first weekend in January) So we live it 3 days a week and three complete weeks during that time. I don't think you'll meet to many young lady's out camping though. But at least, the BIT!^@%$#...lost carrier... won't be yelling at you anymore;;;; Good luck on getting your first. Mine was a Cougar 27 footer. We really enjoyed it until it caught fire a coupla weeks ago. Make sure you have enough truck too, I ended having to buy a 3/4 ton Dodge cause the salesman said my 1.2 ton would handle the trailers. HAAAA, 2 transmissions later, I'm a slow learner, I bought a 3/4 ton Hemi....I shoulda bought a D, but....I didn't. I bought a Dodge Ram 3500HD DUally with the 5.9L Cummins 600 Turbo D last weekend preparing for the insurance companies payoff money and my new RV. I got enough truck to yank most houses off their foundations. I Can't wait. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply! --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- > For MoParMaN & others. In this thread, I've heard of the "gun laws" of > New Mexico and Vermont touched upon. Could you guys tell me how these > laws read? Thanks, ............ Ron I'm actually from Texas, so it doesn't matter to me what the laws are in any state. I'm carrying in my camper and usually my truck. Texas has conceal and carry laws that cross over to I think about 17 other states if you wanted to be legal!! If there really is such a thing. I've never had any problems with the police or park rangers over weapons. Of course I don't go flashing them either. Any reasonable cop isn't going to say squat about your right to defend yourself and yours. When asked by other campers why I carry one (specially them carpet baggin yanquis) I just tell them I'm afraid of Snipes and don't want one to get me. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply! --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- > When asked by other campers why I carry one (specially them carpet > baggin yanquis) I just tell them I'm afraid of Snipes and don't want > one to get me. Just when he's dressed up as the sooperdooper vampire killer or all the time? Signature(__) (__) (__) (__)(__) (__) (__)(__)(__) (__) (oo(__)oo) (__)o) (oo)((__)(__)oo) (__)(o(__)o)(__)o)(__) \/(oo)\/ (oo)/(__)/ (oo)(oo)\/ (oo) \(oo)/ (oo)/ (oo) \/ \/ (oo) \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ a cownfluence You nauseate me, Mr. "Joel K. 'Jay' Furr" <jfurr-nospam@nospam-furrs.org>, with a nauseaus super-naus: >> When asked by other campers why I carry one (specially them carpet >> baggin yanquis) I just tell them I'm afraid of Snipes and don't want >> one to get me. > > Just when he's dressed up as the sooperdooper vampire killer or all the > time? Not "Snapes", _"SNIPES"_. You "Harry Potter" geeks are everywhere. Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Schrumpf http://www.hilltopper.net Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke up lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing and kill it. -- Master Shake >> For MoParMaN & others. In this thread, I've heard of the "gun laws" of >> New Mexico and Vermont touched upon. Could you guys tell me how these [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >When asked by other campers why I carry one (specially them carpet baggin >yanquis) I just tell them I'm afraid of Snipes and don't want one to get me. "Concealed weapon" is a problem because it varies from state to state. In KY it's okay to have a gun on the seat where it can be seen or in the glove box - but, in an SUV, don't put it IN the console. Removing the clip makes no difference (or didn't some time ago). Some states define "concealed" as available but not in view. In AL I don't think a gun rack is even considered an accessory for a pickup - carpet baggin yanquis use them for the umbrella. Hugh >>> For MoParMaN & others. In this thread, I've heard of the "gun laws" of >>> New Mexico and Vermont touched upon. Could you guys tell me how these [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Hugh That reminds me, I need to get a new gun rack for my new truck, I think I need a 3 rack, rack. 1 for the shotgun, one for the pick axe handle, and one for fishing pole. Ya gotta be prepared in Texas. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply! --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- You nauseate me, Mr. "MoParMaN" <scott.hendryx.clothes@sbcglobal.net>, with a nauseaus super-naus: >>>> For MoParMaN & others. In this thread, I've heard of the "gun >>>> laws" of New Mexico and Vermont touched upon. Could you guys tell [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > think I need a 3 rack, rack. 1 for the shotgun, one for the pick axe > handle, and one for fishing pole. Ya gotta be prepared in Texas. Scott, if yer not the poster boy for Texicans, the Tourism Board is missing out on a good thing. Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Schrumpf http://www.hilltopper.net Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke up lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing and kill it. -- Master Shake > You nauseate me, Mr. "MoParMaN" <scott.hendryx.clothes@sbcglobal.net>, > with a nauseaus super-naus: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Scott, if yer not the poster boy for Texicans, the Tourism Board is > missing out on a good thing. I have a criminal record, oh wait, that's a plus in Tejas. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply! --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- >>When asked by other campers why I carry one (specially them carpet baggin >>yanquis) ^^^^^^^^^^ >In AL I don't think a gun rack is even considered an accessory for a >pickup - carpet baggin yanquis use them for the umbrella. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ S'xuse me? Mark from NH >>> When asked by other campers why I carry one (specially them carpet >>> baggin yanquis) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Mark from NH Don't get too upset. He's old enough to remember Sherman razing his front lawn and taking his mom on a "vacation." SignatureJefferson N. Glapski http://www.glapski.com > >>When asked by other campers why I carry one (specially them carpet baggin > >>yanquis) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Mark from NH Live Free or Die -- John Leinaweaver >I'm actually from Texas, so it doesn't matter to me what the laws are in any >state. I'm carrying . . . Not exactly a surprising revelation . . > >On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 "MoParMaN" <scott.hendryx.clothes@sbcglobal.net> > >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Not exactly a surprising revelation . . Xactly....That's the way it should be, I'm still waiting for us to succeed, tyou do know we are the only state that can. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply! --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- Sorry - the "pretty vague advice" from a cop is a lot more logical and credible than yours. Just because your ancestors didn't anticipate the mess they would eventually create 200 years later by drafting this section of the constitution is hardly a compelling reason to arm yourself and become a public menace. Finally, the section on the constitution relating to the right to bear arms indented this to be used to allow citizens to form a militia to defend the country - not to encourage everyone to arm up and engage in vigilanteesm. Gordon Gibson > Pretty vague advice from a cop... > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >> >> Just some food for thought. > Sorry - the "pretty vague advice" from a cop is a lot more logical and > credible than yours. Just because your ancestors didn't anticipate the mess [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > indented this to be used to allow citizens to form a militia to defend the > country - not to encourage everyone to arm up and engage in vigilanteesm. This topic could start to get interesting now! :) SignatureSteve - From behind a hill somewhere in WV Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -- Benjamin Franklin I see where Gordon J. Gibson wrote: >> Finally, the section on the constitution relating to the right to bear arms >> indented this to be used to allow citizens to form a militia to defend the >> country - not to encourage everyone to arm up and engage in vigilanteesm. Isn't it interesting how mile-deep ignorance allows some people to re-write the Constitution to suit their personal ideas? The actual wording of the relevant material does not, by ANY rational definition, limit the ownership of weapons to the members of a "militia". The clear language follows: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the _people_ to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." (Second Amendment to the Constitution.) ::sigh:: Personally, I'd feel better if every sane, adult CITIZEN (other than convicted felons) who wanted to do so carried a weapon. I'm confident that crime would be drastically curtailed. Will Sill > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free > State, the right of the _people_ to keep and bear arms, shall not be > infringed." (Second Amendment to the Constitution.) How DARE you quote the Constitution? We can't let such *TRIVIAL* documents get in the way of a socialist utopia! <big grin> > ::sigh:: Personally, I'd feel better if every sane, adult CITIZEN > (other than convicted felons) who wanted to do so carried a weapon. > I'm confident that crime would be drastically curtailed. Ditto. Just look at the dropping crime stats from the "shall issue" states. Hopefully, Nebraska is next. :) JR >> Sorry - the "pretty vague advice" from a cop is a lot more logical and >> credible than yours. Just because your ancestors didn't anticipate the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > This topic could start to get interesting now! :) Yep, that person obviously has never been to south Dallas in the day or the night.... SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply! --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- Finally, the section on the constitution relating to the right to bear arms indented this to be used to allow citizens to form a militia to defend the country - not to encourage everyone to arm up and engage in vigilanteesm. REALLY? Well what you don't know is that all of us gun owners in this country do belong to a militia group. We just never have meetings. We don't know each other, there are no dues or news letters. Heck we don't even think, work or agree on a whole lot of things at times. But when the time comes that some commies whacko country tries to take over America just see how fast we all get together and take care of theses mothers. If this happens our great militarie and local police can't do it all. But thank God for what they do. And please don't come crying that you don't have a gun. Tought sh.t. Gene > Just because your ancestors didn't anticipate the mess they would > eventually create 200 years later by drafting this section of the > constitution is hardly a compelling reason to arm yourself and > become a public menace. Agreed. However, protection from bleeding heart liberals like you, thankfully increasingly impotent at the ballot box, but bound and determined to impose your leftist views via a sympathetic, activist judiciary, *IS* a compelling reason. ...and I have yet to own a firearm. I predict this will eventually change. Pbbbbbffffftttttt! JR >> Just because your ancestors didn't anticipate the mess they would >> eventually create 200 years later by drafting this section of the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > JR I hope it doesn't change too late. If you were a good scout at one time, your not being one now. Even if you never use it for self defense and I would hope you never have too, you would still have something to kill them damn tree rats with. I hate squirrels. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply! --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- >Sorry - the "pretty vague advice" from a cop is a lot more logical and >credible than yours. Just because your ancestors didn't anticipate the mess >they would eventually create 200 years later by drafting this section of the >constitution is hardly a compelling reason to arm yourself and become a >public menace. And just how does MY carrying a weapon make me a public menace? Do you know if I have ever hurt anyone? Have I ever killed anyone? Would I to protect my family or I? You bet your sweet a.s! >Finally, the section on the constitution relating to the right to bear arms >indented this to be used to allow citizens to form a militia to defend the >country - not to encourage everyone to arm up and engage in vigilanteesm. Indented? Anyway, this is NOT the law Per the USSC. >Gordon Gibson Unk. >>Sorry - the "pretty vague advice" from a cop is a lot more logical and >>credible than yours. Just because your ancestors didn't anticipate the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>indented this to be used to allow citizens to form a militia to defend the >>country - not to encourage everyone to arm up and engage in vigilanteesm. It doesn't....I think you should go get another one. If you happen to find a Ruger 44 Magnum Carbine (Deerslayer Model) let me know. I need to replace one that got ripped off. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply! --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- 'If a person is on drugs, a bullet won't stop them; they will keep coming at you.' I think most of the advice that cop gave you is good, but, regardless of how whacked out they are....a bullet fired at the right spot on the intruders body will stop him instantly . This is one of the reasons when i go to the indoor pistol range, i shoot at targets the size of a half dollar from 15 feet away in subdued lighting. 'The law says that an RV is not considered a "home", when it's can be moved easily. It would have to be in a trailer park, like with the wheels off.' My Insurance Policy and Vehicle Registration says it IS a home...a MotorHome for which i live out of when i use it. 'The only legal way to carry a gun is if the gun is empty and the bullets are stored a distance away. Both not in reach of the driver or passengers.' Alot of good it does having a Constitutional Law giving me right to bear arms and defend myself in case my life is endangered...when it will take me at least 20 seconds to get to my gun, load it, so i can protect my life and those of my loved ones. 'Some states don't allow carrying one through their state. I think my state, (New York), is one of them.' But what about the 'Constitutional' Law ? Until those states can guarantee my protection from not needing to carry a gun...then im afraid my life is a tad more important. Dave, no one cares about your so called "life" PS Where's the proof, YA FUCKHEAD The only legal way to carry a gun is if the gun is empty and the bullets are stored a distance away. Both not in reach of the driver or passengers. Bill, This statement is completly accurate. What about all the states that have adopted conceal and carry laws? Ted deadheadte...@yahoo.com wrote: > The only legal way to carry a gun is if the gun is empty and > the bullets are stored a distance away. Both not in reach of the > driver or passengers. OOP'S, forget the first post. Bill, This statement is NOT completly accurate. What about all the states that have adopted conceal and carry laws? Ted Ted, If you have a permit to carry a gun in a particular state, I guess you can carry it. I don't think it counts in the other 49 states though. Bill L >deadheadte...@yahoo.com wrote: >> The only legal way to carry a gun is if the gun is empty and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Ted > Ted, > > If you have a permit to carry a gun in a particular state, I guess you > can carry it. I don't think it counts in the other 49 states though. Texas has reciprocating carry laws with about 17 other states. Most are not yanqui states, for obvious reasons. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply! --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- >> Ted, >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Texas has reciprocating carry laws with about 17 other states. Most are not > yanqui states, for obvious reasons. We need more states with gun laws like Vermont. >>> Ted, >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > We need more states with gun laws like Vermont. You are a smart man. SignatureJefferson N. Glapski http://www.glapski.com >>> Ted, >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > We need more states with gun laws like Vermont. And New Mexico. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply! --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- There is no sense in carrying a weapon in the RV unless you can lay down sustained, withering fire. Happiness is a belt fed weapon. >A number of years ago, when I bought our first motorhome, I inquired > about carrying a gun. It is amazing that after all these years that you can still quote it. > The best reply was from a retired police sergeant from somewhere. He > stated some facts: Or was it the friend of a police sargent? Or that police sargents's husband-in-law? Or the police sargent's hairdresser? Or .....? > - The statistics for police shootings are on average less than > 15 feet away. These trained men and woman miss more than 80% of the > time. Actually, civilian self defense shootings hit their mark 17% of the time, and police hit theirs 24%. > - If you are in your RV and someone is trying to enter, the best > thing is to make noise. Letting them know someone is inside. Yell > that you have called the police and they are on their way. If they > continue to try and get in, they are real "bad guys", aimed at doing > you bodily harm. Probably high on alcohol or drugs. By then, I would have a round jacked into the Remington, and have called a cleanup crew. > - If a person is on drugs, a bullet won't stop them; they will > keep coming at you. Ever hear of Luudes? I didn't think so. > - The only gun that works is a shotgun. You usually can hit your > target and it has a good chance of stopping someone. It will wreck > your RV pretty much though. People are killed every day with all calibers of guns. Good thing about a shotgun is that if you even cock it or point it at someone, your chances of them stopping are pretty dramatic. It may wreck a motorhome, but you won't kill someone a mile away. > - Now, he warns against buying a shotgun named an "avenger", or > something like that. An inexpensive shotgun is a good MH defense weapon, even an old "crack back". > - Never say you have a gun for protection. You have it for > target shooting, and just happen to have it with you. Join a gun club > and even have a box of skeet's with you. What is a skeet? > - More people are shot with their own gun or that of a family > member. Than what? > - The law says that an RV is not considered a "home", when it's > can be moved easily. It would have to be in a trailer park, like with > the wheels off. On which planet? > - The only legal way to carry a gun is if the gun is empty and > the bullets are stored a distance away. Both not in reach of the > driver or passengers. Your free advice is inaccurate. The law changes with state, county, city, temperature, and barometric pressure. > - Some states don't allow carrying one through their state. I > think my state, (New York), is one of them. You think? Why don't you just admit you are an idiot, and giving out heresay? > Just some food for thought. A bad clam is food. (vomit) Steve Good points. However I would rater be judged by 8 than carried to my grave by 6. The shotgun is a good idea. They actually miss 80% of the time? >A number of years ago, when I bought our first motorhome, I inquired >about carrying a gun. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >Just some food for thought. >Good points. However I would rater be judged by 8 than carried to my >grave by 6. The shotgun is a good idea. They actually miss 80% of >the time? 8? 6? Live in a small town? Hunter Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!" > Good points. However I would rater be judged by 8 than carried to my > grave by 6. The shotgun is a good idea. They actually miss 80% of [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >> >>Just some food for thought. pu Don, While I agree with some of your points, I take exception to some also. 1) I would bet that either my .45cal or my .44Mag will stop a person even one high on drugs. 2) Why not say you have a gun for protection, among other reasons? It is a perfectly legal reason to have one. Precisely, you don't need a reason to have a gun, simply wanting to have one is good enough. 3) I would like to know your source for the statement that more people are shot with their own guns or that of a family member. This is just another untruth pushed out by the "Brady Bunch", the HCI, and others of that ilk. 4) I can legally carry a gun loaded, concealed on my person in about 30 states of the 50 (the last time I checked) and if one wishes to push the issue, an unconcealed gun can be carried anywhere. I know, I know, there are certain "areas", such as schools, where firearms are prohibited and that is a different story. 5)The bottom line on transporting firearms is to check the laws in each state because they differ so greatly. For example, in some states firearms must be transported in the manner you describe. However, in some states that method would constitute a concealed weapon which requires a permit. In still others, the firearm is to be in plain sight of an approaching LEO, etc. Just some sauce for the food for thought. Dave D good points snipped .............. > 5)The bottom line on transporting firearms is to check the laws in each > state because they differ so greatly. For example, in some states firearms [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Just some sauce for the food for thought. > Dave D I just completed my third CFP class. I now have Nevada, Utah, and Florida, and with their reciprocity agreements, am permitted in scores of other states. The classes have changed over the years. It used to be called a CCW, for carrying a concealed weapon. But since that might be construed (and was by a few morons) as a permit to carry a concealed Bowie knife, now it is called a Concealed Firearm Permit, and "firearm" has been legally defined as concealable handgun. But I digress. Each class has been different over the last ten years. This last one stressed heavily the FACT that local law supercedes all law. That means if you are in a city, that city's law is binding. If you are in a different county, that county's law is binding. Long story short, there is no way you can keep abreast of all of the laws in this land when moving about in a RV because the jurisdictions change instantly and invisibly. What is perfectly legal at one moment is illegal at another moment, and ten feet further down the road. It would be absolutely impossible for any person or agency to keep up with the laws everywhere at any given time. So, what to do? Whatever you can live with. Keep the gun and ammo stored in different places while driving. Load up when you stop. Leave the gun loaded. Leave the gun at home. Sell all your guns and buy granola. Whatever floats your boat. There are no hard and fast rules about guns, except the one that is pertinent for that exact moment, that exact GPS coordinate, that exact situation, and the exact LEO who is handling that situation. Anything anyone spouts is drivel because it can change in an instant, or one foot down the road. HTH, but I doubt it. Steve I see where "SteveB" <deserttraveler@cox.net> contributed: >Long story short, there is no way you can keep abreast of all of the laws in >this land when moving about in a RV because the jurisdictions change >instantly and invisibly. What is perfectly legal at one moment is illegal >at another moment, and ten feet further down the road. It would be >absolutely impossible for any person or agency to keep up with the laws >everywhere at any given time. True. Therefore, if you are determined to try to be in compliance with ALL dumbass laws concerning firearms, you must keep yer piece at home - assuming it is even "legal" there. IMO, any adult citizen not under indictment or convicted of a felony _ought_ to be allowed to carry whatever weapon they want. Of course, I also believe abortion for convenience should be treated the same as any other murder - and those days are gone forever. Will Sill "Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." Wm. Penn >I see where "SteveB" <deserttraveler@cox.net> contributed: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > "Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by > tyrants." Wm. Penn And, as usual, the guy who tries to comply with the law is dead in the water with a hole at his water line. And the criminal runs free with no regard for the law. A citizen gets "caught" with a gun in the wrong place, and they pay dearly. A criminal gets "caught" with a gun, and they do a few days, pay a few bucks, and add another notch to their rap sheet. Go figger. Steve Wrongo. Many city jurisdictions do not allow any firearms in ANY condition (loaded, unloaded, broken down, long or hand guns) no matter what. Look at DC's laws or Manhattan's ordinances. The best place to look at NO cost is: www.packing.org Next, check with each jurisdiction to see if things have changed or added. Gordie *4) I can legally carry a gun loaded, concealed on my person in about 30 *states of the 50 (the last time I checked) and if one wishes to push the *issue, an unconcealed gun can be carried anywhere. I know, I know, there are *certain "areas", such as schools, where firearms are prohibited and that is *a different story. *Dave D *>> *> * > Wrongo. Many city jurisdictions do not allow any firearms in ANY > condition (loaded, unloaded, broken down, long or hand [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Gordie No Gordie. You need to reread my original statement and comprehend it. You cite example in one state and the D of C which do not have concealed carry laws. As I said, in about 30 of the 50 states etc, etc.... Your examples are irrelevant to my statement, however I agree with your point that one should check local ordinances because some befuddled municipalities have some weird ordinances regarding many things including firearms, their owership, possession, and use... DaveD > *4) I can legally carry a gun loaded, concealed on my person in about 30 > *states of the 50 (the last time I checked) and if one wishes to push the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > *> > * |
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