Charles, I drain every drop of water from my
rv that I possibly can before towing. Waterheater, fresh water, and
holding tanks.
 I do that just to minimize
weight, but it isn't absolutely necessary.
I bring a few gallon jugs of fresh water for
emergency though.

Hi,
First Charlie please learn how to post to  newsgroups.  At 46 I
should think you could be able to afford a computer and learn how to
use it to post properly.  Or do some research on how to use webtv to
post to news groups. When you post without quoting part of what you
are responding too nobody knows what your talking (posting) about or
to whom you are directing your post.

The chemicals used in the toilets in RV's has a couple of functions.
One is help break down the paper and solids, another might be to
lubricate the dump valves, another might be to make it smell better.
Some of the chemicals don't have any perfume or smell at all just
depends upon what you buy.  But if you use the toilet properly and
empty it when you should you shouldn't get much if any odor from it.
I've never had a problem with any I've had.

How much water you carry is up to the individual.  When I go
somewhere where I know there won't be water available I might fill the
water tank.  If I'm going to where I know water will be available I
might only put enough in to use while on the road until we get to
where ever we are going.  My RV is designed to be able to carry a full
load of water, fuel, and full waste tanks and still be able to haul
another 2000+ lbs. of stuff.  I've never seen any MPG difference in
running with a full water tank or an empty one.

Most RV's don't hold 160 gallons of fuel.  Only the bigger motor
homes might hold that much.  More common is 30, 60 and 90 gallon or so
fuel tanks.  Most big diesels hold 90, 100, 150 gallons some may have
bigger tanks but they are not that common.

As far as the vehicle being as big as a house for two people, so
what?  A lot of couples live in buildings that are houses with just
themselves for company and use all of it's resources just for
themselves.   It's not any harder on the environment then the
thousands of people using cars on the highways.  RV's compared to cars
and trucks are nothing.  It's can be expensive but so what, it's not
your money.   It's up to the people doing it on how much they spend.

So you think owning an RV is an overindulgence?   That it's a symptom
of what's wrong with this country?  You think RV'ing points to the
fall of this country?  Get real.  That makes you sound like a whiner
who can't stand to see other people doing what they like, because they
can...

I'm glad you come home from what you call roughing it with a greater
appreciation for what you have at home.  In a few years that
appreciation will either lead you to stop roughing it or to finding an
easier way to rough it.  Come back and tell us that when you are 60.

So, because you so called rough it, you have a greater appreciation
of nature?  What do you do to get this better appreciation?  Sleep
with the rabbits and squirrels?  I can appreciate nature without
having to be sitting in a tent during a thunderstorm trying to keep it
from being blown down by mother nature.  Just because you have an RV
doesn't mean you can't go out and hike or walk in the woods or
mountains or fish or watch wildlife or just sit and enjoy a nice day.
You probably have less of an appreciation of nature because you more
then likely haven't been to all the places many people with RV's go.
That's one of the biggest reasons to have an RV, to be able to go and
see nature and how different it can be in different locations.

I don't know how you compare a generator running with pigs ready for
slaughter but if it bothers you that much and you are in a campground
you have three choices.  One ask the people not to run the generator
past a certain time, two ask the campground owner to ask the people
not to run the generator past a certain time,  three move.   Most
campgrounds have quiet hours when generators are not allowed to be
run.  If you are not in a campground then your best choice is either
three or one.

As far as Harleys go you need to go out to Sturgis South Dakota
around August 8th or so this year and tell it to the folks there. They
would love to hear how much they overpaid for their bikes and that
they are to loud and their leathers are stupid.  They would especially
like to hear about the sheep comment, I'm sure. You would like it a
lot of them tent camp, but some do have big RV's too.   By the way
that area around the Black Hills is a great place to get close to
nature while you are out there.  Try a day in the Badlands on the way
out too, so you can appreciate the trees more...

Take care and Happy So Called Roughing It...

RichA
"We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"

news:19260-4260733F-387@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net...

With the ididiocy exhibited by your posts, it was no surprise to
find that you are a webtv user. It is amazing how much nonsense
originates from users of this service.

Charles recently stated

"I'm 46 , so I am old enough to 'want' things easy all the time. But yet
I find when I 'rough' ( I was in the military so tent camping is
'smooth' compared to that)  it for a time I come home with a greater
appreciation for all I have at home and a greater appreciation for
nature. I have had the displeasure of camping near an rv with the
generator running all night and I think of pigs that are ready for
slaughter."

Cheeez Charles you seem to have a real problem with everyone but yourself. As to being all of 46 and having been in the modern " Military". Well there is a group of us nasty old RVer's that enjoy our lifestyles and respect others even if we don't agree.

When you get to my age 60 and are still tent camping, in the mountains, in November and March because you can't get the trailers in due to the snow let me know.

Frank

Are you having any fun, Charlie?

You forgot to add "humbug" after the Baaa, so I think you're trying to
pull chains rather than bitch at the members of this group who enjoy
what they do, how they do it, and mostly with whomever they do it.
Otherwise, it makes no sense for you to come in here, shooting your
mouth off, complaining about this, that, and the other.

So what caused this barrage of outrage, hmm?  Penis envy?  Frightened
by a big bad biker who kicked sand in your face?  Some RVer peed on
the fire?

Even more curious is your presence here: if you are so down on those
of us who have our own agenda, rather than your POV,  why are you
bothering us with your criticisms? If you're trying to convert anyone
to your way of looking at things, you've failed entirely.  

Sad to say, you come across as a miserable, unhappy person,
dissatisfied unless you are knocking what other, happier people are
doing with their time.  I would filter you out, Charlie, but I admit
to a fondness for lunatic posts: yours is as good - or bad - as it
gets.

Canoli

snipped slop bucket spill

See ya Chuck.
HD in NY

Well I use webtv...very infrequently. I use to cut and paste and now
I've forgot it. Computing is not really my cup of tea. Webtvers are no
different than computer users. There is always a troll who will come
into a newsgoup and be
insulting. Usually the trolls are PC users and
they are informed by the few regulars that they
are a troll. This Charlie is obviously a troll.
He could go to a Harley Davidson NG to inform
them he doesn't like Harleys. There probably
isn't a newsgroup for tenters so he came here
as if anyone here is about tenting.
   These few rv groups are one of a few that I
know of that aren't infested wih trolls.
The Internet obviously wasn't invented or intended for webtvers. It is a
real computer
function. Webtvers are the minority.

Well, you know, WebTV was invented so that AOLers would have someone
to look down on.

I originated this post under Edgar Allan and
now I'm Mark Twain, I hardly ever post  to the news groups. I'm aware
that allot of the rv'ers
are wealthy people and that they buy all of the gadgets. Judging by the
replies everyone who
responded is not worried about the price of fuel.
Allot of posters are highly professional and are
offended by amateurs with webtvs.

...and for that I humbly apologize.   <sorry>

I thought better of what I was agreeing with AFTER I posted.  <sigh>

I have NO problem with H-D or those that ride them.

I DO have a problem with gratuitous noise - but I REFUSE to call it noise
POLLUTION <gag>.

A coworker waited over a year for his new hog.  Upon receipt, before the
license plate was on, he swapped the stock pipes with a set that made more - a
LOT more - noise.

I discovered that I don't care much for gratuitous noise even back when I was
helling around in my '68 Chevelle w/headers and cutouts.  Now, many years
later, I can't see spending the $$ for a new Harley only to modify it right
out of the box just for more noise.  I think the stock mufflers are just the
right amount of rumble without being annoying.  To each his own, of course.

I'd LOVE a Harley.  Heck, I feel perfectly safe in a campground full of
Angels.  At least I know there won't be any crap going down while they're
there!

(Sufficient mea culpa?)

         :)
JR