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Tires blowing out on 1999 Tioga 31SL

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frank907 - 04 Apr 2005 03:54 GMT
Need some help with a serious problem. Fleetwood has (so far) refused to
help because my RV is out of warranty and Ford will not do anything because
Fleetwood modified their chassis when they put the motorhome on it. I have
blown five tires on the outer rim of the passenger side of my 1999 Tioga
31SL. I am always about 500# below max weight and always maintain 78-79#
cold air pressure and drive around 62 mph and on state highways. Type E
light truck 10 ply tires have been blown (Firestone and Bridgestone).  The
pass side tire air pressure gets 6-7# greater than the driver side and the
side wall gets a little hotter after about 150 miles of driving. No increase
in the warmth of the axle or bearing hubs. The wheel well of the pass side
is noticeable smaller than the driver side which could be causing less
cooling air flow there. There has been some slight rubbing of the wheel well
edge on the edge of the tire from coach side swaying and road dipping but
not enough to be heating the tire. The coach body is mounted about 1 inch to
the left of the centerline which causes the tire to be closer to the wheel
well edge on the pass side. The inner bottom of the pass side wheel well is
closer to the top of the tire than on the driver side. I even blew out a
tire AFTER putting on $750 Bilkin ? shocks all around to help ease side
sway. Something is causing that tire to lose air pressure, get flared on the
road surface, rub against the hard inner tire, overheat and rip apart. I
caught the last blowout by checking every 50 miles. All was fine except
higher air pressure (89 psi) at 150 miles. Then 20 miles later we smelled
rubber, pulled over and the tire was too hot to touch from running flat and
air was escaping from burnt areas in the sidewall near the thread surface.
Steel air valves and caps are on the rims and three different rims have been
involved. Luckily I am able to change the tire and get back on the road in
about half hour but lately am not enjoying trips because of "waiting" for
the tire to blow. Takes the fun out of Rving!!  I did notice that Fleetwood
has changed the rear wheel well shape in later year 31 ft RVs but their
customer service people told me that they can not reveal WHY because that is
private info not available to the buying public. They said that they have
never heard of this problem and I am hoping someone has or can shed some
light on it. At least before I start thinking that it has just been my bad
luck and before I turn the matter over to legal persons. Thanks for any
help.
Frank Tabor - 04 Apr 2005 04:11 GMT
>Need some help with a serious problem. Fleetwood has (so far) refused to
>help because my RV is out of warranty and Ford will not do anything because
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>luck and before I turn the matter over to legal persons. Thanks for any
>help.

Have you weighed the motor home to see if you are overloaded on that
side?  weigh it with only one side on the scale at a time.

Get a lawyer.
Signature

Frank Tabor

frank907 - 06 Apr 2005 04:59 GMT
Thanks for the reply, Frank. I did weigh my RV five years ago and all was
proper. We usually have about  120 to 150 pounds of food and clothing on
that side and about 50 pounds of tools & misc in storage compartment. My
wife and I weigh about 320 pounds together and we usually run with half tank
of fresh water and dump our tanks after the second half tank refill. The
fresh tank and black tank are on the driver side. All this comes to 800
pounds with the second water reload (650 before the reload). The tires are
not even near max loads. And the motor home is allowed to carry 1050 pounds.
I have been told by others, and read on this NG, that everyone is running
overloaded almost always but they are not blowing out tires.  I blow them
out not being overloaded and only at one tire location! I will try to get
each wheel weight soon and with the RV loaded like we travel. The lawyer bit
is a possiblity but as a last resort.

Frank

> Have you weighed the motor home to see if you are overloaded on that
> side?  weigh it with only one side on the scale at a time.
>
> Get a lawyer.
> --
> Frank Tabor
tat-2 - 04 Apr 2005 04:42 GMT
This might help,
I found it when doing a recall search for my 1997 Montara.You may be riding
on your spare!

Ed
SCHOOL BUSES AND MOTOR HOMES
Fleetwood Enterprises, Inc.
Models: Fleetwood Jamboree Years: 1996-2000
Fleetwood Tioga Years: 1996-2000
Fleetwood Montara Years: 1996-1997
Number Involved:  3,897
Dates of Manufacture:  July 1995 - April 2000

Noncompliance:  Certain motor homes are equipped with a spare wheel with
insufficient weight carrying capacity when matched to a maximum loaded tire.
This does not meet the requirements of FMVSS No. 120, "Tire Selection and
Rims for Motor Vehicles other than Passenger Cars." Premature wheel failure
can result in a loss of vehicle control.

Remedy:  Dealers will replace the spare wheel with a new higher capacity
wheel. The manufacturer has reported that owner notification began May 3,
2000. Owners who do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time
should contact Fleetwood at 1-800-322-8216. [NHTSA Recall No.
00V104/Fleetwood Recall No. 00229]

> Need some help with a serious problem. Fleetwood has (so far) refused to
> help because my RV is out of warranty and Ford will not do anything
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> luck and before I turn the matter over to legal persons. Thanks for any
> help.
frank907 - 06 Apr 2005 05:01 GMT
Thanks, Ed, about the very interesting data you sent, but my spare lasted
longer than the tire on the RV. I blew the first one out at about 900 miles
and it was brand new. My spare got me 600 more miles to Arkansas and back to
California and 18,000 miles more before it blew out 20 miles east of Indio
in the desert at 10 PM. Half hour later I was back on the road, tho. I
brought my RV new and was never notified about this recall. But now that you
mentioned it, THAT spare tire did blow out and all that was left was about 5
inches of sidewall on both sides. So it could have been a weaker tire but we
will never know now. But it could explain blowout Number 2. Thanks.

Frank
> This might help,
> I found it when doing a recall search for my 1997 Montara.You may be riding
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> should contact Fleetwood at 1-800-322-8216. [NHTSA Recall No.
> 00V104/Fleetwood Recall No. 00229]
RichA - 04 Apr 2005 05:02 GMT
>Need some help with a serious problem. Fleetwood has (so far) refused to
>help because my RV is out of warranty and Ford will not do anything because
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>luck and before I turn the matter over to legal persons. Thanks for any
>help.

Hi,
I've heard of folks blowing tires, usually it's because the tires are
overloaded or under inflated or both.  But if I were you I would get
the RV weighed at all four corners to determine if you have a lot more
weight on the passenger side then the drivers side.  Doing that you
will know exactly what the weight is on each tire.  Running so close
to maximum you may have the passenger side overloaded.  500 lbs. is
close.  That's what it sounds like since you keep blowing the same
tire.

You also don't say what tire size you are running on the RV.  If you
are running LT215/85R16  you might be better off going up one size to
keep the tires well within their maximum ratings for the load. If you
have enough space for the dual wheels that is.

The E450 chassis has a GVWR of 14,050 lbs. and the rear axle GVW is
9,450 lbs. the front axle 4,600 lbs.  The max load for a set (duals)
of LT215/85R16 tires is 4940 lbs. (Michlin RV Tire Guide) so times
that by two, equals 9,880 lbs. the tires can carry on that axle.  That
is within 430 lbs. total or 215 lbs. per side of the maximum rear axle
GVW.  You didn't say if your 500 lbs. below max weight is the total or
not, but if it is you can easily be overweight on the back axle, while
being light on the front.  Or overweight on one side.  

Some other things you might want to check are to see if the spacing
between the dual rear wheels is correct.  Maybe someone did something
and the tires are two close and are rubbing.  Wrong rims, spacers etc.

Your tires should never contact the sides of the RV.  It should not
be able to sway enough to do this.  Maybe your springs are bad or
there are loose mounts.  Also saying that the top of the wheel well is
closer on the passengers side then on the drivers side, and that the
tire on that side gets hotter and has higher pressure makes me think
you have lots more weight over there.  Look for a broken support on
that side or some reason that side is lower and applying more pressure
to the outside tire.  Usually it's the inside tire that goes bad
because they are harder to maintain and take more of a beating due to
the crown in roads.  Look to see if both tires on that side are
setting equally flat on the ground.  In other words that the outside
tire isn't carrying more weight then the inner one.

Unless you bought the motor home new from Fleetwood I doubt you will
get much if any help.  I also doubt you can do anything about them not
helping unless you can prove it is a common problem to that specific
make and model.   Most RV's have warranties of 1 to 3 years.  Yours is
almost 6 years old.  To many things could have been done to it over
this period of time.  Any help you get from Ford or Fleetwood would be
as a gesture of good will.  If you bought it used I would be going to
talk to whoever you got it from.

It sure sounds like an overweight problem though.

Hope this helps.  Take care and Happy Campin...

RichA
"We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"
frank907 - 06 Apr 2005 05:09 GMT
My tires are not overloaded or underflated. And the tire pressure has always
been proper and checked before and during trips. We usually go on trips
about a couple 100# below max but have been as low as 500# below and
have a tire blow. But as I mentioned in another email to the NG, I have
heard and read on thie group that almost everyone is almost always
overloaded and I don't hear of tires being blown as I do. I will be trying
to
get separate wheel weights as we are loaded soon to check this. Front and
rear wheel weights were proper and below the tire loading factors,
especially with the 235/85s.

The RV came with 225/75 type E tires made by Firestone at the time Firestone
had tire troubles. The first blown one was replaced with no questions asked
by the dealership. After blowing out two more, I changed to 235/85 type E 10
ply tires which were just a little bigger but fit fine and recommended by a
truck tire company here. Blew one of these out 20,000 miles later and then
one at only 1090 miles. In case you are wondering, yes, I changed the gear
to make the speedometer read properly so I was not driving 10 percent
faster. Picked up over 1 MPG more with this change and by using middle
octane fuel. These tires do have a very slight sign of touching the wheel
well but only when going over road dips or body sway and only on the
passenger side. But this does not even wear out the piece of duct tape I put
on the wheel well edge to monitor this so I know it is not causing this
problem.

The 500# below max weight was the total weight for the vehicle. I had 225/75
tires on the RV when brought new so the figures would be higher so I had
plenty or room for weight differences. Why did not the inner tires blow
which theoretically carry more weight? Or a tire on the driver side? Or,
heaven forbid, a front tire?

I think this could be some of the problem but can not prove it. One mechanic
thought he heard that the wrong rims were put on some of the Ford chassis in
1999 and even seen a memo on it but they could never find it again. I do
know that when I put the front tire on the rear it makes my dual tires
closer together. They are only about half inch apart at the bulge by the
road surface with 78-79# pressure cold and these are the Bridgestone tires.
The 225s were the same. I was told by tire people that they could be rubbing
near the road surface but I think these tires are two hard with 95# pressure
in them from running and are both turning at the same rate in the same
direction to be of concern. I have had a tire blow in 60 degree weather
also.

I measured all areas below the frame to the floor and they are within .250
inch. Nothing is broke or seems wrong. I have not checked for an off angle
axle flange or the distance from front to rear axles but I doubt this could
be off. Will check this soon. The body is one inch to the left of center tho
and the wheels are the same distance from the frame. I keep it parked on a
flat concrete floor and have made many measurements.

It was new when I got it but the passenger side tire had a 1/8" groove cut
into the tire sidewall and no one knew how it got there and even noticed it.
They replaced the tire but I think that in haste they replaced all four rear
rims because they are different from the two front rims. That could be
causing this and I have been trying to figure it out for over 50,000 miles
with no help from anyone.

I wish it was an over-weight problem because that would be easily solvable.
Even overrated
tires did not change things. But I still do wonder why Fleetwood changed the
design of the rear tire wheel wells in later models!! I may be doing this
myself soon and that should fix things. But if it was an original design
defect or the body is mounted wrong, I think Fleetwood should fix it. But
there rep told the dealership here not to EVEN TOUCH IT as was told to be by
there body manager. Thanks again.

Frank
Will Sill - 06 Apr 2005 11:43 GMT
I see where "frank907" <frank907@sbcglobal.net> contributed:

>My tires are not overloaded or underflated. And the tire pressure has always
>been proper and checked before and during trips.

A possibility you probably don't want to consider: you may be damaging
the sidewall of that particular tire by scuffing against curbs.

Will Sill
"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by
tyrants." Wm. Penn
Gary Smith - 06 Apr 2005 14:44 GMT
Frank,
If you haven't weighed your coach in 5 years and don't know the weight
by tire location, how do you know what the proper air pressure is?  
Gary

>I see where "frank907" <frank907@sbcglobal.net> contributed:
>
>>My tires are not overloaded or underflated. And the tire pressure has always
>>been proper and checked before and during trips.
frank907 - 08 Apr 2005 05:42 GMT
Hi Will,

Hope you believe it but I have almost never been along a curb with
neither
of my two RVs and over 71,000 miles of driving in the past 7 years!!
Hard to
damage 10 ply tires parking in Walmarts and driving on good state
highways.

Frank

> I see where "frank907" <frank907@sbcglobal.net> contributed:
>
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> "Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by
> tyrants." Wm. Penn
Gary Smith - 06 Apr 2005 14:40 GMT
Frank,
Since you upsized your tires, you may not have sufficient clearance
between your duals.  Just a thought.  Also, you haven't identified the
age of the tires?
Gary

>My tires are not overloaded or underflated. And the tire pressure has always
>been proper and checked before and during trips. We usually go on trips
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
>
>Frank
Hunter - 06 Apr 2005 16:08 GMT
>The RV came with 225/75 type E tires made by Firestone at the time Firestone
>had tire troubles. The first blown one was replaced with no questions asked
>by the dealership.

Hi Frank,

You have smaller tires on your 31 foot motorhome than I have on my 21'
pick up truck......

Couldn't that be part of the problem?

Hunter
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!"
frank907 - 08 Apr 2005 05:25 GMT
Hi Hunter,

No, it came with the same tires that all Tioga RVs come with. I like what
you say about "Life's journey".  I am sure having "hell of a ride"
occassionally. Ever have a blowout in Dallas, Texas freeways during rush
hour driving in the fourth lane from the right? And on your FIRST trip in
your new RV after the first 900 miles ever driven in an RV?

Frank

> >The RV came with 225/75 type E tires made by Firestone at the time Firestone
> >had tire troubles. The first blown one was replaced with no questions asked
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
> but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!"
Hunter - 08 Apr 2005 14:13 GMT
> Ever have a blowout in Dallas, Texas freeways during rush
>hour driving in the fourth lane from the right?

No, but I had a Firestone delaminate and explode on I -40 when I was
pulling my Airstream.  It was the rear street side tire on the truck.
I was in the right lane fortunately.....

I had to change my shorts <g>

It just seems odd that my pick up truck takes the same load rated
tires that your 31' motorhome does.....

Hunter
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!"
RichA - 06 Apr 2005 23:06 GMT
>My tires are not overloaded or underflated. And the tire pressure has always
>been proper and checked before and during trips. We usually go on trips
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
>
>Frank

Hi,
 You still don't know about being overweigh on that corner though.
If you get it weighed and it's not overweight then it's got to be
something in the rims or tire spacing, or something getting hot and
transferring the heat to that one tire.  The tire not running flat on
the ground when at speed etc.

The rims themselves shouldn't cause the tire to blow.  Just if they
make the tires to close together, or if the tire can't seat properly
on the rim.   You should be able to find a set of rims for the F450
fairly easy in a junk yard or salvage yard.  Might to worth at least
going to look at some and comparing them to what you got.  It could be
that whatever the tire is mounted to is bent the axle flange as you
said. The other thing is to look at the inside tire and how it's
mounted and see if it could be contributing to the problem in some
way.  How about the whole axle being off, skewed side to side or front
to back??

 I can't see how the shape of the wheel well would make much
difference.  If anything it would effect the inside tire more since
they usually run hotter.

If you ever do find out the problem please let us know.  I for one
would like to find out what could be causing just one tire to keep
blowing out if it's not weight.

Take care and Happy Campin...

RichA
"We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"
tat-2 - 07 Apr 2005 05:16 GMT
I would think if it was a wheel well problem at the speeds and milage he has
traveled would cause the well to be pulled away from the underside of the
RV. Lets face it the wells aren't bolted to the frame.

Are the front tires throwing a belt prior to blowing out? I had a 1995 Chevy
K-3500 (4X4 dually that if I took turns too fast with under pressure tires
would shift the belts causing a bubble/blister on the sidewall. This was an
unloaded truck (PU) trying to make a sharp turn at a higher rate of speed
then it should have. (My error both speed and tire pressure).

If you are near weight and "speeding"  into and out of turns this will heat
up your tires fast. If it is traveling in a straight line the I would try
driving through a puddle or run your hose to see if the wheels are tracking
straight.

If the axle was bent by overloading (say sitting in a RV park/campground)
full fuel, full fresh, full gray and black tanks, this could easily happen
and cause the wheels not to track in a straight line. (I know this is
extreme but it could happen).

Ed

>>My tires are not overloaded or underflated. And the tire pressure has
>>always
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> RichA
> "We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"
RichA - 07 Apr 2005 19:41 GMT
>I would think if it was a wheel well problem at the speeds and milage he has
>traveled would cause the well to be pulled away from the underside of the
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>Ed

Hi,
He is only having problems with one tire,  The passenger side rear
outside tire on a set of dual wheels.  He is either overweight or has
something bent or out of wack with the rims or axle.  IMO.  Or he
keeps damaging that tire when making tight right hand turns or
parking.  Or is just plain unlucky...  Hard to tell without seeing the
tires and setup.  With blowing 5 tires he is lucky he didn't tear the
wheel well out :)

>>>My tires are not overloaded or underflated. And the tire pressure has
>>>always
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>>rear wheel weights were proper and below the tire loading factors,
>>>especially with the 235/85s.
<bunched snipped>
>>>also.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>> Hi,
>>  You still don't know about being overweigh on that corner though.
<snipped>
>> If you ever do find out the problem please let us know.  I for one
>> would like to find out what could be causing just one tire to keep
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> RichA
>> "We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"

RichA
"We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"
frank907 - 08 Apr 2005 05:19 GMT
Another few comments about this email RichA replied to:
I haven't made any tight right turns except for the 40 foot radius turns to
get into the building that I park it in but this happens only about 8 to10
times a year. No overweight problem as I have mentioned before and tire
pressure always 78-79# checked with three different gages before leaving.
The tires seem to blow because of excessive heat buildup caused from
pressure loss. I will be sending one back to Bridgestone soon that blew at
1090 miles to see if they can tell why. Still has the red paint stripe in
the threads. I have not torn up the wheel wells for two reasons. One is that
the road surface of the tires completely tears apart into small chuncks just
leaving the sidewalls on the rims. The other is that I can stop very soon
after we hear the pop from the blowout or when I smell the rubber and start
stopping just about the time the tire blows. I even stopped one time quick
enough to hear some remailing air coming out of the fifth blowout before it
ripped apart. The rubber smell made me stop and the tire was too hot to
touch from rubbing on the inner tire sidewall due to a pressure loss in the
outer tire. That is the one I will be sending to Bridgestone because it is
all intact. I am starting to believe that I am just unlucky but my
persistance will solve this so I can once again enjoy going on trips.

Frank

> Hi,
>  He is only having problems with one tire,  The passenger side rear
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> tires and setup.  With blowing 5 tires he is lucky he didn't tear the
> wheel well out :)
Gary Smith - 08 Apr 2005 17:18 GMT
Frank,
In another of your posts on this topic today you indicated your front
and rear rims are not identical.  If that is the case, and you have
rotated tires front to rear, your rear tire spacing would not be
correct, which could be the cause of either the rear tires rubbing
each other, or the outer tire rubbing the body of the MH.  One other
possibility you have not mentioned:  Are you using valve stem
extenders?
Gary

>The rubber smell made me stop and the tire was too hot to
>touch from rubbing on the inner tire sidewall due to a pressure loss in the
>outer tire.
>
>Frank
frank907 - 09 Apr 2005 04:03 GMT
Hi Gary,

Using the front rim on the rear only brings the tires an eight inch closer
together and no change towards the wheel well. I've been told by some that
all rims on a pickup truck body, which is what is under this motor home, are
the same and others have told me that when you rotate the tires you are
supposed to take them off the rims and only rotate the rubber. Never heard
of any one ever doing this either.  No valve extenders, just steel ones with
steel caps. I believe that I have thought of everything mentioned so far but
am still thinking.
Frank

> Frank,
> In another of your posts on this topic today you indicated your front
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> extenders?
> Gary
Ron Recer - 09 Apr 2005 15:50 GMT
The reason some have told you one thnig and others another concerning
rotating tires is that both are correct.  I have an '01 Chevy dually and all
the wheels on it are the same and can be placed in any wheel position.  My
uncle has a '90s something Ford dually and it has two or three different
types of wheels and you have to remount tires to do a tire rotation.  So the
answer is, it depends.

Ron

> Hi Gary,
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> > extenders?
> > Gary
frank907 - 08 Apr 2005 04:31 GMT
Ed,  Don't know what you mean by the speeds that I travel at.  I drive in
the low 60s with an occassional 65-67 down hill or when passing. Should be
no problem for an RV built like this one and it is on good highways. My
wheel wells are cut into the sides of the RV and are not seperate parts. But
the ones on newer units are a lot larger around the tires and the tires are
set in more away from the edges of the wheel well than mine are.

Don't know why you mention the front tires. No problem there as they stay
cool and only gain a couple pounds of pressure. My problem is all in the
rear outer pass side tire area. I am not near weight that much and never
speed into turns. I am a very cautious driver. Also I doubt any axles are
bent. The unit has never had all tanks full and when not in use is jacked up
on the frame to take the load off of the springs and tires. Not off the
floor but enough to ease up on the tires. This weekend I hope to check to
see that the tires are all squared of with each other and don't have one
that is cantered a bit. Could all be just ocassional bad luck as we have put
52,000 miles on it in five years; but 5 tires in the same place? No way lady
luck would contribute to that.

Frank

> I would think if it was a wheel well problem at the speeds and milage he has
> traveled would cause the well to be pulled away from the underside of the
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Ed
tat-2 - 17 Apr 2005 05:00 GMT
I was refering to my experience with speed and under inflated tires (front).
Not your speed.

Ed

> Ed,  Don't know what you mean by the speeds that I travel at.  I drive in
> the low 60s with an occassional 65-67 down hill or when passing. Should be
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
>>
>> Ed
frank907 - 08 Apr 2005 05:01 GMT
Hi RichA,
I doubt there is an overweight on that side because of trips with my wife
and I only and not much baggage and things and half tank of fresh water and
still a blowout. That IS the driving tire side and could account for some
heat due to driving friction with the road surface compared to the other
side. But one blew out in 60 degree weather after about 120 miles of
driving!! I've had blown tires re-mounted by three different large companies
doing this but just remembered that I have been rotating between the spare
rim and the same pass side rim for four of the blowouts. After the fifth one
I put that rim on the front (may as well make things more interesting) where
it was originally before rotating the tires around. Now there is a different
rim in that location.

I did mention once that when I put the front rim/tire on the back it caused
the tires to get closer together than they were before doing this by 1/8
inch and that is why I suspected a different dish depth to one rim. My front
rims ARE NOT like my rear rims and this is how it came from Ford unless the
dealership changed them. I tried to get Fleetwoods distributors to do an
evaluation to see if there is an axle or flange problem but the very
co-operative manager was stopped from doing ANYTHING by the Fleetwood rep
stating is was out of warrantee and was a tire under-flation problem.
Absolutely no interest in the fact that the wheel is closer to the inner
side of the coach on that side. And no mention as to why newer units have
been redesigned in this area. After I try to do as you say and see if there
is any axle/flange problem or lack of symmetry, I will probably just
redesign the wheel well areas myself once I am sure the tires are tracking
properly.  I will let you know if I ever solve this but it may take some
time. Fleetwood made their corporate copeout so it will probably be up to me
and the suggestions I get from this group.

Frank

> Hi,
>   You still don't know about being overweigh on that corner though.
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> RichA
> "We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"
Traveling - 08 Apr 2005 04:19 GMT
My 99 Ford E450 32 ft Class was delivered with Firestone Tires. They
started to blow out (tread Separation) after just 5,000 miles (rig not
overloaded and inflation pressures checked each travel morning). After 3
incidents (Firestone replaced the tires but never admitted it had a
problem) Dealers would not replace the tires with another brand. Lost
confidence in the tires and replaced all 6 with Michelins. No problem
since

Traveling

> My tires are not overloaded or underflated. And the tire pressure has
> always
> been proper and checked before and during trips. We usually go on
> trips
> about a couple 100# below max but have been as low as 500# below and
Will Sill - 08 Apr 2005 12:20 GMT
I see where "Traveling" <rvparked-newsroup@yahoo.com> contributed:
>My 99 Ford E450 32 ft Class was delivered with Firestone Tires. They
>started to blow out (tread Separation) after just 5,000 miles (rig not
>overloaded and inflation pressures checked each travel morning).

My '99 GMC 3500 was delivered with Firestone tires.  I replaced them
with nearly identical Bridgestones after 50,000+ trouble free miles.

People who think Firestone sells only bad tires are like those who
still think Japanese products are junk.

Will Sill
The list of subjects I care about is shrinking steadily.
Items missing from that list include but are not limited to:
- The views of moronic and anti-American nut cases
- Terminally boring and/or thoughtless commentaries.
frank907 - 09 Apr 2005 04:21 GMT
My dads 1999 Chevy pickup had the same tires and he would carry as much as
3500 pounds in it and drive into dirt junk yards until they had less than
the legal pennys thread thickness. But in his case, and your GMC 3500, they
are pickup trucks. I did get about 25,000 miles on four of my original
Firestone tires before changing to seven Bridgestones. Probably would have
made 50K, too,  if I kept them. So I doubt my problem is only the tires.
Frank

> I see where "Traveling" <rvparked-newsroup@yahoo.com> contributed:
> >My 99 Ford E450 32 ft Class was delivered with Firestone Tires. They
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> - The views of moronic and anti-American nut cases
> - Terminally boring and/or thoughtless commentaries.
Will Sill - 09 Apr 2005 13:25 GMT
I see where "frank907" <frank907@sbcglobal.net> went on and on
including:

>My dads 1999 Chevy pickup had the same tires and he would carry as much as
>3500 pounds in it and drive into dirt junk yards until they had less than
>the legal pennys thread thickness. But in his case, and your GMC 3500, they
>are pickup trucks.

You mght have less trouble if you didn't leap to unjustified
conclusions.  My GMC 3500 is a class B MH.  

Despite your voluminous verbiage it seems to me you don't yet know how
much load you're carrying, what the right pressure is for that load,
whether the wheels really are the same or different, whether the duals
are kissing, etc.  Instead of spending so  much time telling about it,
why not check those things out?  

Will Sill
"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by
tyrants." Wm. Penn
frank907 - 10 Apr 2005 06:10 GMT
I DO know that the load I am carrying is far below anything that would cause
tires to blow. I DO know that my tire pressure is very adequate for even the
maximum allowable load, at which I am not. I DO know that there is a very
small difference in the front wheels and the four rear wheels which is not
contributing to this problem. And, lastly, I DO know that the duals are not
kissing because at the increased air pressure from running the 10 ply tires
become too rigid to kiss. So I have already checked these out.

I try to explain things in depth so that people that are trying to help me
can get answers to their questions by reading my statements. This way they
are not wasting their time asking me unneccessary questions, which I do not
mind at all answering. And I guess that I just like using my God given
ability to write. Sorry I was not knowledgeable enough to know what a GMC
3500 was but now, thanks to you, I do.

Frank

> I see where "frank907" <frank907@sbcglobal.net> went on and on
> including:
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> "Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by
> tyrants." Wm. Penn
frank907 - 09 Apr 2005 04:11 GMT
I am heading in this direction as I have replaced the last blowout with a 10
ply class E tire. Soon as I can get the time to enlarge the wheel well area
I will be getting six more. But I still wonder why Fleetwood changed the
wheel well area on these RVs. My tires done the same thing yours did on
three incidences. But the Bridgestones, made by Firestone, were supposed to
be better but were made at the same time of the Firestone tire problems!!
I've been told that Fleetwood changes to Michelins because of getting a
better price for their contract but I don't believe that. Been in the
manufacturing business too long, 35 years, to except price only as a reason
to change.
Frank

> My 99 Ford E450 32 ft Class was delivered with Firestone Tires. They
> started to blow out (tread Separation) after just 5,000 miles (rig not
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>
> Traveling
Mark Tetrault - 09 Apr 2005 14:22 GMT
The one thing I have not seen yet addressed is the possibility of a cracked
or leaking rim.

I have seen many examples of this in my career and either a cracked rim, or
a damaged bead surface on the rim will allow slow leaks that will
eventually cause a low inflation blow out.

Has the rim(s) been checked for damage or leaks?

Mark
frank907 - 10 Apr 2005 05:50 GMT
Hi Mark,
Very good inquiry. Because three different rims have been involved and they
were all new with the RV I did not think this was the problem. But now that
you mention it, I do remember the air pressure dropping to the low 70s (I
keep them at 78-79# cold) on the problem side when I had it sitting on my
floor without jacks under the RV to take some of the load off the
tires/springs. And I think it has happened with two of the three rims
involved. Sure hope one of them was not the one I put back on the front of
the RV!! I don't think it was, tho.

I have checked the air pressure several times during trips and it does
increase so I can rule out any air pressure loss. BUT, is it possible that
because on the bad side, the pressure rose to 90# about 40 miles before it
blew and it could have gotten even higher and then started to leak from a
crack in the rim? Or the damaged bead surface you mention? When I do change
(soon) to Michelins I will have these surfaces checked good. But then I
would have to have 2 or 3 rims like this.

Frank

> The one thing I have not seen yet addressed is the possibility of a cracked
> or leaking rim.
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>
> Mark
Frank Tabor - 11 Apr 2005 01:37 GMT
>I have checked the air pressure several times during trips and it does
>increase so I can rule out any air pressure loss. BUT, is it possible that
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>(soon) to Michelins I will have these surfaces checked good. But then I
>would have to have 2 or 3 rims like this.

This extreme temperature rise is telling you something.  Only two
things will cause that kind of temp rise, under inflation caused by
air loss, or the duals rubbing together, or both.
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