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asdf@global.net - 05 May 2005 22:18 GMT
Hopefully the small trend will continue. I 24 in northwest Georgia.
Unleaded 1.96 Diesel 2.09.
Ron Recer - 05 May 2005 22:57 GMT
Sorry to hear your fuel prices are so high. ;-)

The Flying J at I-35 & 122nd Street in Oklahoma City had the following
prices this morning:

Regular Unleaded = $1.909
Unleaded+ = $1.979
Premium = $2.049
Diesel = $1.979

Ron

> Hopefully the small trend will continue. I 24 in northwest Georgia.
> Unleaded 1.96 Diesel 2.09.
Dean Norris - 06 May 2005 01:40 GMT
>Sorry to hear your fuel prices are so high. ;-)
>
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>> Hopefully the small trend will continue. I 24 in northwest Georgia.
>> Unleaded 1.96 Diesel 2.09.

Phoenix.  $2.41 down to $2.35 87 octane.
SteveB - 06 May 2005 00:52 GMT
> Hopefully the small trend will continue. I 24 in northwest Georgia.
> Unleaded 1.96 Diesel 2.09.

Prices today in Las Vegas -
Unleaded - $2.34 to $2.39
Jim Redelfs - 06 May 2005 03:59 GMT
Elkhorn (Omaha), Nebraska

$2.02   87 Octane (no alcohol)
SteveB - 06 May 2005 06:40 GMT
> Elkhorn (Omaha), Nebraska
>
> $2.02   87 Octane (no alcohol)

All these low prices are making me itch to get out of this high priced town
and put some mileage on Mongo.

Steve
danny - 07 May 2005 10:22 GMT
>Hopefully the small trend will continue. I 24 in northwest Georgia.
>Unleaded 1.96 Diesel 2.09.

We Americans have no intrinsic right to cheap gasoline.  You think gas is
"expensive" here, go buy it in Canada or or Europe.

Personally, regular unleaded gas should be averaging $3.00 per gallon around
the country.

Not for all the tea in China nor all the gunboat diplomacy my country can
muster should gasoline be cheap.

These are my views.  Your mileage may vary.       ;)

-danny
Ron - 07 May 2005 15:09 GMT
>>Hopefully the small trend will continue. I 24 in northwest Georgia.
>>Unleaded 1.96 Diesel 2.09.
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> -danny

The taxes that different states, provinces and countries put on gasoline
makes for the difference in price to a great extent.
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Dapper Dave - 07 May 2005 17:33 GMT
>"Ron" <spam@kwic.com> wrote:

>The taxes that different states, provinces and countries put on gasoline
>makes for the difference in price to a great extent.

Some interesting statistics: Excluding Alaska, the range in state taxes
per gallon of gasoline is 14.0 to 39.6 cents. The average is 25.6 cents
per gallon.  

http://api-ec.api.org/filelibrary/GastaxNovember2004Final.pdf

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Ron - 08 May 2005 16:44 GMT
> >"Ron" <spam@kwic.com> wrote:
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> http://api-ec.api.org/filelibrary/GastaxNovember2004Final.pdf

Governments are "tax addicts." Whatever they can get away with, they go for.
Governments have tied the tax to the price of gasoline so when the price
goes up, the taxes go up.

Here in Canada, the actual price of the gasoline before taxes isn't the
problem. It is the taxation level that is intolerable.
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Rich256 - 08 May 2005 17:26 GMT
> > >"Ron" <spam@kwic.com> wrote:
> >
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> Here in Canada, the actual price of the gasoline before taxes isn't the
> problem. It is the taxation level that is intolerable.

And they want to "give" you all kinds of "free" services.  The Canadian
Medical care is nice for the general public but it has to be paid for
somehow.  However, when a bureaucrat gets involved in deciding what care you
should get, someone suffers.
Ron - 09 May 2005 01:25 GMT
>> > >"Ron" <spam@kwic.com> wrote:
>> >
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> you
> should get, someone suffers.

One of the good things about the Canadian Medicare system is that your
coverage doesn't "run out" like private insurance does.  It does have its
problems though like nearly all other systems.
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Dapper Dave - 08 May 2005 22:31 GMT
>"Ron" <spam@kwic.com> wrote:

>> >"Ron" <spam@kwic.com> wrote:
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>Here in Canada, the actual price of the gasoline before taxes isn't the
>problem. It is the taxation level that is intolerable.

At least in the U.S., taxes at the pump are by and large *not* tied to
the price of gasoline. Federal and state excise taxes are "per gallon".
Those few states that charge sales tax on motor fuel, though, do collect
more as the price of fuel increases.

In the U.S., the total state and federal taxes on a gallon of gas
averages 44 cents.

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Ron Recer - 07 May 2005 16:55 GMT
> >Hopefully the small trend will continue. I 24 in northwest Georgia.
> >Unleaded 1.96 Diesel 2.09.
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>
> These are my views.  Your mileage may vary.       ;)

Generally crude oil is bought and sold on a global market.  Domestic crude
oil prices tend to follow the global market prices.  Almost every country
pays the same price for crude oil, but transportation cost do change
depending on method and distance.  After refining, everything else is just
taxes and profit.

In my part of the country right now gasoline prices would have to go up over
a dollar to get to your $3.00 per gallon price.  So, are you proposing
increasing the tax by a dollar or increasing retail and wholesale profits by
a dollar?

Ron
danny - 08 May 2005 03:13 GMT
[snip]

>In my part of the country right now gasoline prices would have to go up over
>a dollar to get to your $3.00 per gallon price.  So, are you proposing
>increasing the tax by a dollar or increasing retail and wholesale profits by
>a dollar?

I am proposing any plan that forces consumers to use less gasoline.  As oil
and gas companies are profitable enough, I favor raising the gas tax.

In the same way that higher cigarette taxes have cut some smoking, increasing
the taxes on gasoline, hopefully, would have the same effect.

As far as higher gas prices affecting my full-time RVing, I'm not concerned.
If gasoline went to $10 - - or even $20 - - a gallon, I still wouldn't sweat
it.

Thank God for nice dividend checks!      ;)

-danny

>Ron
Jim Redelfs - 08 May 2005 05:51 GMT
> As far as higher gas prices affecting my full-time RVing, I'm not concerned.
> If gasoline went to $10 - - or even $20 - - a gallon, I still wouldn't sweat
> it.
>
> Thank God for nice dividend checks!      ;)

Ahhhhhh...  Wotta troll!

          :)
JR
RichA - 08 May 2005 05:57 GMT
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>-danny
That's nice for you but what about people not as well off, or don't
they deserve to be able to use RV's or heat their homes or use their
cars for work?  Gasoline prices will not cut back on usage for very
long, remember the 70's?  People will pay what they have to for
gasoline because in this country it's not a luxury it's a necessity.  

Raising the tax on gasoline will help no one except some elected
officials salary.  We have some of the highest gasoline taxes in the
country here in my state and it's suppose to go to help keep the roads
in repair.  The tax on diesel fuel both federal and state is 25% of
the cost. We also have some of the worse roads in the country, because
it doesn't pay to build them right.  There will always be tax money
for roads...if there is not enough, just raise the gasoline tax.

All a sudden jump in prices will do is stop younger families from
RV'ing and cut back on the travels of older folks who don't get such
nice dividend checks.  AND hurt those who need the gasoline,fuel and
gas for heat and for work but can't afford the higher prices.  Price
spikes don't hurt the rich it's the middle and lower class that
suffer.

There is plenty of oil to be found it's just a matter of how much the
people of the world are willing to pay for it at any given time.  Oil
prices are higher in other countries because of the lack of oil there
and the cost of importing it and TAXES. Oil prices will continue to
climb because most of the easy oil has been found, now it will
continue to get more and more expensive to get the oil that's left.
Oil companies will have to spend more and charge more for their
product.  We are lucky in this country because we've had large
supplies of cheap oil.  We still have large supplies but it won't be
cheap in the future.

Oil and gas companies don't care that much about how much gasoline is
used.  They make money when there is a shortage and they make money
when there is an excess.  If not they would not be in business.  You
might want to take a little of your dividend check and invest it in an
oil company or two.

I think we should just raise the gasoline taxes on folks who get a
nice dividend check and lower them for everyone else. :)

Take care and Happy Campin...
RichA
"We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"
danny - 08 May 2005 20:17 GMT
>That's nice for you but what about people not as well off, or don't
>they deserve to be able to use RV's or heat their homes or use their
>cars for work?

In fairness, RVs are a luxury, not a necessity.  Surely, they are in the same
category as boats, planes and sports cars.

My call - - however futile - - is for more expensive gasoline, so as to reduce
this country's dependence on Middle East oil.

> Gasoline prices will not cut back on usage for very
>long, remember the 70's?  People will pay what they have to for
>gasoline because in this country it's not a luxury it's a necessity.  

True, but we Americans have made gasoline a necesity by having to take 40, 50
and 60 mile round trips to work, pushing the peddle way to close to the metal,
and idling in two and three hour rush hour traffic.  However, equal blames
goes to city and community planners, for selling people the illusion that
living spread out from everything is a good thing.

[snip]

> I think we should just raise the gasoline taxes on folks who get a
>nice dividend check and lower them for everyone else. :)

Touché!      :)

-danny

>Take care and Happy Campin...
>RichA
>"We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"
Ron Recer - 08 May 2005 23:56 GMT
> >That's nice for you but what about people not as well off, or don't
> >they deserve to be able to use RV's or heat their homes or use their
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> My call - - however futile - - is for more expensive gasoline, so as to reduce
> this country's dependence on Middle East oil.

I don't have the actual data, but if you check I believe you will find that
very little of our oil comes from the Middle East.  Most US oil imports are
from Canada, Mexico and northern South America.

Ron

> > Gasoline prices will not cut back on usage for very
> >long, remember the 70's?  People will pay what they have to for
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>
> Touché!      :)
Ron - 09 May 2005 01:40 GMT
>> >That's nice for you but what about people not as well off, or don't
>> >they deserve to be able to use RV's or heat their homes or use their
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>
> Ron

Dependence is dependence whether it is the Middle East or elsewhere. Energy
dependence on outside sources, means economic vulnerability. Few countries
have even the slightest chance of being energy independent. The U.S.A. with
its huge economy is perhaps in a unique position because that huge economic
engine requires energy on a scale that hasn't been experienced before.

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Ron Recer - 08 May 2005 23:51 GMT
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> Thank God for nice dividend checks!      ;)

If gasoline went to $20 a gallon, those dividend checks probably wouldn't be
as nice!

Ron

> >Ron
Dean Norris - 09 May 2005 03:35 GMT
>I am proposing any plan that forces consumers to use less gasoline.  As oil
>and gas companies are profitable enough, I favor raising the gas tax.

And just what is profitable "enough".  Is it your dictate?

>In the same way that higher cigarette taxes have cut some smoking, increasing
>the taxes on gasoline, hopefully, would have the same effect.

Smoking is down mainly because of restrictions and the realization
that it is a health concern.  Taxes should NOT be used to control
behavior.

>As far as higher gas prices affecting my full-time RVing, I'm not concerned.
>If gasoline went to $10 - - or even $20 - - a gallon, I still wouldn't sweat
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>-danny

You badmouth capitalism and then bless it.  You are a strange bird.  
danny - 09 May 2005 08:35 GMT
>>I am proposing any plan that forces consumers to use less gasoline.  As oil
>>and gas companies are profitable enough, I favor raising the gas tax.
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>
>You badmouth capitalism and then bless it.  You are a strange bird.  

*tweet*  *tweet*       ;)

-danny
Jim Redelfs - 09 May 2005 12:52 GMT
> You badmouth capitalism and then bless it.  You are a strange bird.  

No bird at all:  He's a troll.

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danny - 10 May 2005 06:22 GMT
>> You badmouth capitalism and then bless it.  You are a strange bird.  
>
>No bird at all:  He's a troll.

Uh, huh.  

And you remind me of a chicken wing.

-danny

>JR
Dean Norris - 10 May 2005 23:47 GMT
>>> You badmouth capitalism and then bless it.  You are a strange bird.  
>>
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>
>-danny

Danny, your rapier wit and sharp cutting comebacks always cease to
amaze me.  How DO you do it?  Are you a professional comic?  A comedy
writer.  Billy Crystal in disguise?  What?  What?  Tell me man, I MUST
know.
Ron - 08 May 2005 16:38 GMT
>> >Hopefully the small trend will continue. I 24 in northwest Georgia.
>> >Unleaded 1.96 Diesel 2.09.
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>
> Ron

Are you kidding? All governments take far to much money away from everyone
now and just waste it on stupid projects and bureaucracy.
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Sometimes you're the bug:(

Either way it is a mess!!

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HeatMan - 08 May 2005 00:25 GMT
> Hopefully the small trend will continue. I 24 in northwest Georgia.
> Unleaded 1.96 Diesel 2.09.

Quick Trip and more at Hwy 92 and Sandy Plains.

1.899 for unleaded.....
 
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