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Paul Anton - 21 May 2005 17:29 GMT
Hello All:

My wife and I are considering going mobile and becoming full time RVers.

Our question is how do you handle dogs?

We have a female Westie a small dog of about 18 lbs. Do any RV parks exclude
dogs? If so approximately what percentage do so?

What do you do with the dog when you're away from the RV in the towed
vehicle and can't take the dog with you?

How do you handle grooming? What do you do to prevent the entire RV from
smelling like dog?

Any tips would be very helpful.

Thanks

Paul & Winona Anton
RAM^3 - 21 May 2005 17:50 GMT
> Hello All:
>
> My wife and I are considering going mobile and becoming full time RVers.
>
> Our question is how do you handle dogs?

Take them with you.

> We have a female Westie a small dog of about 18 lbs. Do any RV parks
> exclude dogs? If so approximately what percentage do so?

Some prohibit dogs/pets.
Some limit size to ~20 pounds.

If they have objections to my non-human family members I'll simply go
elsewhere - I've found that, generally, *I* have objections to *their*
attitudes that are even stronger than *theirs*. <G>

> What do you do with the dog when you're away from the RV in the towed
> vehicle and can't take the dog with you?

The same thing that we do when we're away from the house: make sure that the
Air Conditioner/Furnace is set to her preferred temperature, the water bowl
is full, and that we're back within 4 hours. [Small dog = small bladder]

> How do you handle grooming? What do you do to prevent the entire RV from
> smelling like dog?

Bathe the dog and clip as required by the breed.

> Any tips would be very helpful.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul & Winona Anton
no_spam@no_where.invalid - 25 May 2005 00:00 GMT
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>If they have objections to my non-human family members I'll simply go
>elsewhere - I've found that, generally, *I* have objections to *their*
>attitudes that are even stronger than *theirs*. <G>

Consider that their attitude may be fostered by pet owners!

Bill
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reply to: az9b13d4j located at earthlink dot net

RAM^3 - 25 May 2005 00:32 GMT
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[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Bill

Having met quite a few "anti-animal" people, I've found that the majority of
them simply don't like non-humans (a form of bigotry) and a large number of
them don't like most humans (another form of bigotry) either.

Many of them have had bad experiences (generally in their youth) or had
parents who frequently voiced similar dislikes.

Since we'd rather not stay where we're not wanted, we _always_ ask about
this _before_ we make a decision on where to stay. After all, it's not like
we're dependent upon _them_!
Mark Jones - 25 May 2005 01:01 GMT
> Since we'd rather not stay where we're not wanted, we _always_ ask about
> this _before_ we make a decision on where to stay. After all, it's not like
> we're dependent upon _them_!
One of the primary reasons that I got a pop-up trailer is so I could take
my small dog with me. If they don't want the dog in their campground,
they also don't want me.
RAM^3 - 25 May 2005 04:00 GMT
>> Since we'd rather not stay where we're not wanted, we _always_ ask about
>> this _before_ we make a decision on where to stay. After all, it's not
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> my small dog with me. If they don't want the dog in their campground,
> they also don't want me.

Our sentiments _exactly_!
no_spam@no_where.invalid - 25 May 2005 05:50 GMT
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>Since we'd rather not stay where we're not wanted, we _always_ ask about
>this _before_ we make a decision on where to stay. After all, it's not like
>we're dependent upon _them_!

You missed the point. First let me say I am an animal lover.  Have my
own pet in the coach and am a former pet shop owner.

That said what we do not need is dog poop that is not picked up, dogs
that are left alone all day and spend the whole day parking.  You get
the idea.

Bill
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Hunter - 25 May 2005 14:48 GMT
>That said what we do not need is dog poop that is not picked up, dogs
>that are left alone all day and spend the whole day parking.  You get
>the idea.

I get the idea.  I don't leave the truck keys with the dogs.... no
more parking for them.

Hunter
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!"
Flo Cala - 26 May 2005 05:22 GMT
Puppy Mill....

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The owner of a pet store in Orlando and the subject
of an ongoing Problem Solver investigation into the alleged sale of
sick puppies was arrested after allegedly threatening a customer
attempting to return a dog, according to Local 6 News.

Local 6 News aired a 911 tape with the voice of Don Glatz, owner of
The Puppy Store -- apparently threatening a customer.

"Get away from my store or I'll blow your brains out," Glatz can
allegedly be heard saying on the call, Local 6 News reported.

The 911 dispatcher asked the customer on the call; "Sir, he does not
have weapons, does he?"

"I don't know," the caller said. "He just threatened me. "He's going
to blow my head off with a gun."

"Yes, I heard it," the operator said.

Glatz was arrested and charged with

Much more on this "Problem Solver" story at:
http://www.local6.com/money/4510729/detail.html

Hunter,
That guy (Freeman) up in Citra whose pit bulls killed an old woman is
back in the news. After the original dogs were taken away, he had more
pit bulls and allowed them to run loose on his dilapidated property,
frightening the neighborhood. The court eventually took them away.
Next, after 1 a.m. Sunday, Freeman was arrested for drunken driving in
his pickup truck.

-Dot, who is bugged by a new dog next door that barks nearly
continuously. I spoke to the owner, and she said "Well, I AM working
with him." That was three weeks ago.
Hunter - 26 May 2005 14:38 GMT
>That guy (Freeman) up in Citra whose pit bulls killed an old woman is
>back in the news. After the original dogs were taken away, he had more
>pit bulls and allowed them to run loose on his dilapidated property,
>frightening the neighborhood. The court eventually took them away.
>Next, after 1 a.m. Sunday, Freeman was arrested for drunken driving in
>his pickup truck.

HI Dot,

Glad to see the puppy store guy getting his.

As for Freeman, I've been sticking with the story while I'm on the
road. I think he should be charged with 2nd degree murder.

Love the Star-Banner online.  I also read my old paper from SC.

Hunter
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!"
HD in NY - 25 May 2005 18:08 GMT
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>
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>
> Bill

And that's the problem. Damn dogs parking and banging out
more butt ugly yappers ;)
HD in NY who likes dogs
RAM^3 - 26 May 2005 00:50 GMT
> snip
>>Since we'd rather not stay where we're not wanted, we _always_ ask
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> You missed the point. First let me say I am an animal lover.  Have my
> own pet in the coach and am a former pet shop owner.

Which Mall was your shop in?

> That said what we do not need is dog poop that is not picked up, dogs
> that are left alone all day and spend the whole day parking.  You get
> the idea.
>
> Bill

Since our Miniature Schnauser isn't big enough to reach the accellerator
(or the brake) and the steering wheel at the same time, we don't let her
drive for *us* much less park vehicles for *other people*! [The Insurance
People would *really* get upset about that! <G>]
lfm - 27 May 2005 17:51 GMT
> snip
>>Since we'd rather not stay where we're not wanted, we _always_ ask about
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> that are left alone all day and spend the whole day parking.  You get
> the idea.

I am not particularly a dog lover. I used to be, but then I had a child who
was afraid of them.
He became afraid because of an inconsiderate dog owning neighbor, and that
fear kept being reinforced by other inconsiderate dog owners, who just didnt
get "please keep your dog away from my son (you know, the one screaming in
fear).

By the time we started camping, he was 11, and fear had mostly just turned
to wariness.

We camp about 50 nights a year, and have done so for the last 4+ years.

So, back to dogs at CGs and RV parks - I think people who camp with their
dogs have to be about the most considerate people around. They are almost
never off leash, always clean up, and rarely do we hear dogs barking
excessively.

If only people with radios were as considerate!!

Laura

> Bill
RAM^3 - 27 May 2005 18:35 GMT
>> snip
>>>Since we'd rather not stay where we're not wanted, we _always_ ask about
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Laura

Amen, Laura, *AMEN*!
Leanne - 27 May 2005 20:14 GMT
We traveled with our dogs and were very careful about not
disturbing out neighbors when parked. One night we were in a
campground and a woman was walking her pooch and did not clean
up after it. In fact she ignored the little present that the
pooch deposited between our unit and our neighbor's. A little
later , I saw her husband talking to our neighbor and he
happened to step in the little pile. I just let him carry it
back to their top of the line coach for his carpets.  If it
hadn't been his dogs present, I would have called his attention
to it, but I figured that their dog left it then he should carry
it back home with him.

Leanne
lfm - 28 May 2005 15:48 GMT
> We traveled with our dogs and were very careful about not
> disturbing out neighbors when parked. One night we were in a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> to it, but I figured that their dog left it then he should carry
> it back home with him.

Oh what great karma!

Laura
Joe Bedford - 27 May 2005 21:12 GMT
>> So, back to dogs at CGs and RV parks - I think people who camp with their
>> dogs have to be about the most considerate people around. They are almost
>> never off leash, always clean up, and rarely do we hear dogs barking
>> excessively.

Possisbly.

Last year we stayed at a campground for a week, unfortunately 2 doors down
from a coach with two largish dawgs. As soon as the owners left in the
morning, the dogs would start barking and wouldn't stop until the owners
came home late in the afternoon. When we mentionned this (politely) to the
owners, they said "We leave them alone at home all the time and they don't
bark there". Like, duh! How would they know?

Yep. Most dog owners are considerate, but not all.

Cheers, Joe
Ken Harrison - 28 May 2005 08:12 GMT
>>So, back to dogs at CGs and RV parks - I think people who camp with their
>>dogs have to be about the most considerate people around. They are almost
>>never off leash, always clean up, and rarely do we hear dogs barking
>>excessively.
>>
>>If only people with radios were as considerate!!

MOST "people with dogs have to be the most considerate people around."
There are the exceptions.  I wouldn't put down the dogs, only their
caretakers.

And how about those inconsiderate folks who have motorhomes/trailers
with OUTSIDE-mounted radios, stereos and CD players, even TVs!  The
sense of entitlement among these RV owners (often of exceptionally large
and pretentious RVs) is astounding.  Why do they presume that anybody
else is interested in their "taste" regarding music or other entertainments.

Ken H
RichA - 28 May 2005 18:08 GMT
>>>So, back to dogs at CGs and RV parks - I think people who camp with their
>>>dogs have to be about the most considerate people around. They are almost
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>Ken H
So what's the problem with OUTSIDE radios, stereos, CD players and
TV's?   Didn't you ever bring a radio, stereo or CD player outside to
listen to a program or music?   MOST people who have these have to be
the most considerate people around.  There are the exceptions....

Some dogs in campgrounds do cause problems, especially if their owners
think they are human and can't do any wrong.  My 50 lb.poochie woochie
woo wouldn't hurt a fly, they say as they brace themselves to hold
back the mutt who wants to jump all over anyone within sight.  Or the
big or little dog tied to the RV who barks and lunges at anyone
walking up the road.  Or the little dog who comes running out and
jumps all over people, scaring kids and getting under foot of adults.
Dogs attract kids, some dogs don't like kids, some kids don't know how
to treat dogs.  It takes a good dog owner to teach the dogs how to
react/behave around strangers.  Some dog owners don't have a clue.

We always try and take an evening walk around any campground we are
staying at.  I've seen about as many noisy, yapping snarling dogs in
campgrounds as well behaved ones.  I've also been in two campgrounds
where dogs have bitten kids.  Don't know who was at fault but at least
in one case the owner told the kids the dog wouldn't bother them, the
owners in fact was a family friend of the kid who got bitten.  And the
kids had been playing with the dog a few hours before. The dog being
in a strange environment was probably part of the problem, IMO.

Not all dogs belong in campgrounds, in fact many shouldn't even be
brought along.  It's mostly the owners fault for sure but some dogs
just react badly to travel/RV'ing and lots of people/strangers.  Dogs
are not human and will not always react as one might expect.  No
matter what some dog owners think.

I have nothing against dogs for sure.  I've always had a dog of one
kind or another. Right now I've got a very sick 13 year old  Lhasa
Apso named Reivers laying at my feet.  We are really in a quandary
about our travels this year because of how sick he is.  We normally
leave him with our son, but I don't think he will be around when we
come back.  We never took him traveling because we don't like leaving
him alone which he would be because of how we travel,  and he doesn't
travel well.

If ten percent of the campers have dogs and the other 90 percent
don't who do you think the campground owners are going to try and
please the most?  I've seen more and more campground owners becoming
concerned about dogs and putting in strict rules about them or not
allowing them at all.  Many don't want the extra aggravation some dogs
and their owners cause. They also don't want the hassle of having to
defend themselves because of someone else's dog.  That's the bottom
line, in today's world.

Take care and Happy Campin...
RichA
"We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"
Don Bradner - 28 May 2005 18:35 GMT
>I've seen more and more campground owners becoming
>concerned about dogs and putting in strict rules about them or not
>allowing them at all.  Many don't want the extra aggravation some dogs
>and their owners cause. They also don't want the hassle of having to
>defend themselves because of someone else's dog.  That's the bottom
>line, in today's world.

The bottom line is the bottom line, and it ebbs and flows with demand.
You see it in the motel/hotel business, which swings back-and-forth
from allowing pets to disallowing them, based on business. Currently
I'm seeing a rise in motels with "Pet Friendly" on their marquees - at
least a half-dozen in a recent trip down the Oregon coast. Saw a Motel
6 Tom Bodett ad last night that's the first one I recall emphasizing
that you can bring your pet - it's long been policy, but not one they
chose to market heavily in the past.

Signature

Don Bradner
donb at arcatapet dot com
www.arcatapet.net

Hunter - 28 May 2005 19:12 GMT
>The bottom line is the bottom line, and it ebbs and flows with demand.

True. Hi Don.  

In my travels I see more and more dogs, especially fulltimers.  If
campground didn't allow them they would take a big financial hit.

Oddly I sometimes see a weight cut off limit.... from what I've
observed it's usually the small dogs that bark at the large dogs, the
small dogs are the ones more apt to bite and the small dog owners are
less likely to pick up after their dog.

Hunter
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!"
HD in NY - 29 May 2005 00:16 GMT
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> Oddly I sometimes see a weight cut off limit.... from what I've
> observed it's usually the small dogs that bark at the large dogs, the
> small dogs are the ones more apt to bite and the small dog owners are
> less likely to pick up after their dog.
>
> Hunter

But it's the large dogs whose bite can maim. I fully
understand campgrounds having a weight cutoff. Also
understand the practice of not allowing certain breeds. It
isn't the dogs fault in most cases, it's the owners.

I really resent the people who claim Rover won't bite. We
have a neighbor who has a wiener dog. Meanest little piece
of crap I ever saw. It always tries to bite the ankles of
folks walking around the block. I'd kick it into next Sunday
 if the neighbor lady wasn't so nice.
HD in NY who loves dogs
Hunter - 29 May 2005 01:20 GMT
>But it's the large dogs whose bite can maim. I fully
>understand campgrounds having a weight cutoff. Also
>understand the practice of not allowing certain breeds. It
>isn't the dogs fault in most cases, it's the owners.>

Actually, it's the insurance companies that have said no to covering
certain breeds.    

>I really resent the people who claim Rover won't bite. We
>have a neighbor who has a wiener dog. Meanest little piece
>of crap I ever saw. It always tries to bite the ankles of
>folks walking around the block. I'd kick it into next Sunday
>  if the neighbor lady wasn't so nice.>

The only breed that has ever bitten me was a Weiner dog.  Then last
year at a campground one was hanging off Brady, holding on with her
teeth, after she raced straight at him from the campsite where his
people were.  

If one bit me I'd kick the snot out of him... no matter how nice the
owner is.

Brady dispatched the little bitch himself.

Hunter

Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!"
HD in NY - 29 May 2005 03:27 GMT
>>But it's the large dogs whose bite can maim. I fully
>>understand campgrounds having a weight cutoff. Also
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
> but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!"

This lady lost her husband Ray to cancer and their little
poodle within three months. We overlook her snot of a dog
because the her other dog went first and Ray helped her pick
out the wiener.
HD in NY
Mark Tetrault - 29 May 2005 03:16 GMT
>I really resent the people who claim Rover won't bite. We
>have a neighbor who has a wiener dog. Meanest little piece
>of crap I ever saw. It always tries to bite the ankles of
>folks walking around the block. I'd kick it into next Sunday
>  if the neighbor lady wasn't so nice.
>HD in NY who loves dogs

Odd, I have had Dachshunds all my life and NEVER saw a mean one. Maybe the
Weiner's owners were mistreating that dog. Every dachshund I've ever seen
was friendly and playful.

Oh, and Hunter, I always pick up after my small dog. When I see something
left behind it's usually larger than my dog can drop on the ground.
Hunter - 29 May 2005 03:54 GMT
>Oh, and Hunter, I always pick up after my small dog. When I see something
>left behind it's usually larger than my dog can drop on the ground.

Hi Mark,

I never said, or implied, that all small dog owners don't pick up.
99% of the time when I see an old pile of turds they came from a small
dog.

I'm glad you pick up... I wish everyone would.

Hunter

Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!"
Jim Redelfs - 30 May 2005 00:16 GMT
> Odd, I have had Dachshunds all my life

Same here, including Gustav Von Alphonso, CDX (HB180493)

> and NEVER saw a mean one.

Oh, I have.  Several, including one that belonged to our family - Gus's
predecessor.  We had Schnitz during the time I was aged 7-14.  I really don't
know what went wrong with him, but we were forced to muzzle him during leash
walks.

> I always pick up after my small dog.

Good for you.  I wish EVERY dog owner was as considerate.  It's too bad that,
like other special interests, one bad "apple" can give the rest a bad name.

          :)
JR
Jim Redelfs - 29 May 2005 01:50 GMT
> small dogs are the ones more apt to bite

As a telephone technician having spent >22-years going into homes, I can
attest to the accuracy of your claim:  It's true.

> the small dog owners are
> less likely to pick up after their dog.

Based on my observation of my own NIECE at last year's family campout, this
too is right-on.

Now that we're "back down" to just one muttly, she goes camping with us - just
like old times.  A black Lab, Hannah is a little gimpy and a bit slower, but
LOVED the outing.  I picked-up EVERYTHING she left behind.

          :)
JR
RichA - 28 May 2005 19:14 GMT
>>I've seen more and more campground owners becoming
>>concerned about dogs and putting in strict rules about them or not
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>that you can bring your pet - it's long been policy, but not one they
>chose to market heavily in the past.

That's very true.  You seldom used to be asked if you had a pet or
not when you pulled into a campground or made reservations.  Now you
are asked not only if you have a pet, but what kind, how big and then
usually informed of the rules and regulations regarding them.  I think
some of it may be insurance related too, but don't know that for a
fact.

Wonder what pet friendly for hotels mean?  That they have a kennel or
that you can take the pet in your room?   Last time I stayed at a
hotel was because the RV broke down and Frieghtliner wouldn't let me
sleep in it in their lot.  They paid half the room price though.

Take care and Happy Campin...
RichA
"We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"
Hunter - 28 May 2005 19:09 GMT
>Dogs attract kids, some dogs don't like kids, some kids don't know how
>to treat dogs.  It takes a good dog owner to teach the dogs how to
>react/behave around strangers.  Some dog owners don't have a clue.

No argument but some kid owners don't have a clue either.......

All kids should be taught to approach dogs slowly and ask the owner if
it's okay to pet the dog.  

In my travels I find that most parents are teaching their kids to
ask.... if they don't ask I stop them and tell them they should ask.

I'll never forget walking Tucker in a campground and a little kid ran
up behind him and grabbed him.  Scared the hell out of him and me.

I really didn't know what would happen, nothing like that had ever
happened to him before.....

My life flashed in front of me looking at that kid who was clinging to
my dog's rear end.

Thankfully, nothing bad happened..... Tuck looked at me for help
instead of doing the unthinkable.

Since then he's met many kids and it's been fine... but I still tell
them to ask before petting him.  It could make a big difference
sometime in their life.

Hunter
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!"
RichA - 28 May 2005 20:01 GMT
>>Dogs attract kids, some dogs don't like kids, some kids don't know how
>>to treat dogs.  It takes a good dog owner to teach the dogs how to
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>In my travels I find that most parents are teaching their kids to
>ask.... if they don't ask I stop them and tell them they should ask.

Hi,
Your right about the some kid owners not having a clue.  But it's
usually not the kid owners that suffer.  It's the kid and the dog and
usually the dog gets the worst of it in the end.  It's usually very
young kids that go running after dogs, sometimes they are to young to
understand.  All in all it takes responsible adults on both sides to
protect the kids and the dogs.  Most folks like dogs, but when it
comes to choosing between dogs or kids the kids are going to win most
of the time, right or wrong.

We saw the same thing with our kids and then with the grand kids and
dogs in campgrounds.  The first instinct for kids is to run up to a
dog, especially if they have one of their own at home.  Fine if the
dog knows them not so good if it's a strange dog.  They were all
taught to ask the owner first and if the owner was not around to stay
away no matter how friendly the dog looked.

Interestingly we've seen the amount of dogs in campgrounds increase
over the years.  At the same time we've also seen more restrictions
and outright banning of dogs in a few.  But then I've seen banning of
kids in a few too.... :(

Take care and Happy Campin...

RichA
"We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"
Jim Redelfs - 29 May 2005 01:55 GMT
> I'll never forget walking Tucker in a campground and a little kid ran
> up behind him and grabbed him.  Scared the hell out of him and me.

No doubt.  Wow.   :(

Not by Tucker, of course, but that kid NEEDS to get bitten once.  More
properly, though:  The PARENTS need to get bit.  Wotta bunch of morons.

> Tuck looked at me for help
> instead of doing the unthinkable.

You have a GREAT kiddo there.   <whew>

> Since then he's met many kids and it's been fine... but I still tell
> them to ask before petting him.  It could make a big difference
> sometime in their life.

All children should be taught to ASK first.  That YOU insist on it is GREAT!

         :)
JR
Joe Bedford - 30 May 2005 04:01 GMT
> I'll never forget walking Tucker in a campground and a little kid ran
> up behind him and grabbed him.  Scared the hell out of him and me.

All this debate about dogs in campgrounds. Kids, now there's an evil and
there's no debate they should be left at home.

Cheers, Joe

:)
Chris Cowles - 28 May 2005 22:16 GMT
I own a dog and take him camping. I am intolerant of people who do the same,
but not responsibly. That said, I'm far more often bothered by people with
outdoor radios, etc., than I am by dogs. Perhaps that's because there are
more radios than dogs, but that doesn't excuse either owner being
inconsiderate.
Signature

Chris Cowles
Gainesville, FL
'00 Coleman Mesa/'99 Chevy Astro

>>And how about those inconsiderate folks who have motorhomes/trailers
>>with OUTSIDE-mounted radios, stereos and CD players, even TVs!
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> listen to a program or music?   MOST people who have these have to be
> the most considerate people around.  There are the exceptions....
RichA - 29 May 2005 03:27 GMT
>I own a dog and take him camping. I am intolerant of people who do the same,
>but not responsibly. That said, I'm far more often bothered by people with
>outdoor radios, etc., than I am by dogs. Perhaps that's because there are
>more radios than dogs, but that doesn't excuse either owner being
>inconsiderate.
100% correct.  No one is perfect, dog owners, dogs, or RV'ers.   We
usually all need a little training at one time or another ;)

>>>And how about those inconsiderate folks who have motorhomes/trailers
>>>with OUTSIDE-mounted radios, stereos and CD players, even TVs!
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>> listen to a program or music?   MOST people who have these have to be
>> the most considerate people around.  There are the exceptions....

Take care and Happy Campin...
RichA
"We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"
Joe Bedford - 30 May 2005 04:04 GMT
>I own a dog and take him camping. I am intolerant of people who do the
>same, but not responsibly. That said, I'm far more often bothered by people
>with outdoor radios, etc., than I am by dogs. Perhaps that's because there
>are more radios than dogs, but that doesn't excuse either owner being
>inconsiderate.
What's up with all the radio complaints? I've never had a problem with
this - where do you camp?

Mind you, there was this one guy with a guitar that was playin' and singin'
"yee-haw" music that I felt like stompin'

Cheers, Joe

:)
Chris Cowles - 30 May 2005 17:11 GMT
Generally, state parks, most often in Florida. We don't bring a radio or TV
and the kids can play with their Gameboys only in the car if we're driving
somewhere. We do listen to the radio in the car while driving.

I don't mind hearing someone's radio, if it's not overbearing. What irks me
is if the game, race, or the <insert your most-loathed music style here>
music station is turned up loud for the convenience of the kids playing
football in the road or parents wandering around 2 campsites away. Likewise,
I really don't like hearing Wheel of Fortune blaring on a TV 3 sites away
while I'm preparing dinner outside. Leave it at home.

Last summer I was at the KOA in Cherokee. (Not my idea of an ideal
campground, but a good base for tourist activities in the region. I'm glad
we went but we won't go back.) One evening on the 4th of July weekend we
pulled in to see an entire extended family at the front of the park, circled
around a television watching a game show rerun. It couldn't help but laugh.
Here they were in the middle of the mountains and they couldn't find
anything to do except stare and drool at the idiot box.

The underlying message is don't assume everyone wants to hear your choice of
entertainment. Many campers obviously don't understand that.

> What's up with all the radio complaints? I've never had a problem with
> this - where do you camp?
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>
> Cheers, Joe
unk - 29 May 2005 00:12 GMT
>Not all dogs belong in campgrounds, in fact many shouldn't even be
>brought along.  It's mostly the owners fault for sure but some dogs
>just react badly to travel/RV'ing and lots of people/strangers.  Dogs
>are not human and will not always react as one might expect.  No
>matter what some dog owners think.

Dogs are dogs and while they can be trained to a degree, they can
never be trusted completely.  Same for Tigers... just ask Seigfreid
and Roy.

When critters go ballistic, they revert to their most basic instincts!
ninebal310@aol.com - 25 May 2005 16:58 GMT
> Having met quite a few "anti-animal" people, I've found that the majority of
> them simply don't like non-humans (a form of bigotry) and a large number of
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> this _before_ we make a decision on where to stay. After all, it's not like
> we're dependent upon _them_!

As a past pet owner (not pet hater), parent,and RV'er, I feel I should
voice my opinion. Pets are the same as kids. Whether a pet owner, or
parent, one should take responsibility for their pets and kids. It is
the owners/parents that usually get the "attitude" that their pet/child
can't do no wrong.

There are always a few who don't clean-up after the pet, so be it.
There are always a few that let their child run wild, damage others
property and I have seen dirty diapers thrown into the fire ring. But,
most are good people, good pets and good kids.

I have witnessed pets being left in a RV while the owner takes off.
Then the circuit breaker kicks and the pet is sweltering in the RV.
Would you do that with your child? I hope not.

Treat your pet as you would your child and there will be less problems.
If you must leave your pet in the RV, don't go away. Like was said
earlier, if they don't allow you to bring your pet (wherever you go),
don't go or leave it at a kennel/babysitter.

Hank <~~~~hates everybody and everything...LOL
Hunter - 21 May 2005 18:53 GMT
>My wife and I are considering going mobile and becoming full time RVers.
>
>Our question is how do you handle dogs?>

Hi Paul,

Up until last month I fulltimed with two Border Collies and two cats.
I now have one BC and one cat.

>We have a female Westie a small dog of about 18 lbs. Do any RV parks exclude
>dogs? If so approximately what percentage do so?>

Very few exclude them.... some breeds are banned, but not Westies.

>What do you do with the dog when you're away from the RV in the towed
>vehicle and can't take the dog with you?>

I almost always brought the dogs.  If I couldn't I put on the a/c and
left them.  The good news is my dogs don't bark at people or other
dogs walking by.

If your dog plans to sit up on the dashboard and bark its head off the
whole time you're gone it won't go over well.  If she's crate trained
you may want to crate her when you're gone.

Personally, I prefer bringing mine with me.

>How do you handle grooming? What do you do to prevent the entire RV from
>smelling like dog?>

I comb them alot.  I find removing the undercoat removes the smell.
Also, I tore out all my w/w carpet and now have vinyl. That took out a
bad carpet smell.

A tip, go to your nearest dollar store and check the baby department.
For $1.00 you can get 100 dirty diaper disposal bags which are perfect
for poop pick ups.

You must pick up poop!  (c:

You might also want to filter, or buy, your dog's water.  Mine is
drinking bottled water this week because he got the runs when I got
here. Normally I have no problem with filtered water but ya never
know.

I can't imagine traveling without a dog..... I might miss some things,
but having the dog is worth it.

Hunter
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!"
Mark Jones - 21 May 2005 19:41 GMT
> How do you handle grooming? What do you do to prevent the entire RV from
> smelling like dog?
You might see if you can find an RV with an outside shower.

My pop-up has this and it would work really good for washing
my dog off outside if she needed it. Give your dog a bath/shower
every few weeks and you shouldn't have a problem.

Mine got a bath the morning before I took off to go camping.
She enjoys having the warm water poured over her back.
When I tell her it is time for a bath, she starts to wag her tail
instead of running and hiding.

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