> Merely a cover-ur-a.s legal caveat. Any 12 VDC appliance that can be fried
> at anything less than 25 VDC, deserves to be put out of it's misery!!

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>On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:30:51 -0400, birch999 wrote:
>> Merely a cover-ur-a.s legal caveat. Any 12 VDC appliance that can be fried
>> at anything less than 25 VDC, deserves to be put out of it's misery!!
>
>Now- do you really mean that? Do you think you can plug your TV or
>refrigerator in to 250 volts, and honestly expect it to survive?
Aren't you the same Chris Bryant with the F Onan running something like
170 VAC?? <grin>
Without doubt, running a fridge at 250 VAC is going to fry the entire
fridge, if the heating element doesn't melt down first. As for other AC
appliances, they very in tolerance. While some of the better-designed
TVs *may* tolerate 250 VAC, most cheapies prolly won't. But stuff like
laptop computer power supplies can handle twice the voltage with ease.
>DC appliances have a hard enough task, merely dealing with 11-14 volts
>(the same as an AC appliance dealing with 110 - 140 volts), but most do
>quite well.
Not really. In engineering 12 VDC appliances, the cost difference
between implementing 25 VDC components vs 16 VDC components is nominal
to the point of being insignificant. So . . . with some 12 volt
alternators cranking out as high as 16.5 volts when cold, it would be
rather irresponsible to design any kind of appliance that couldn't
tolerate voltages up to 25 VDC.
>Even if the circuitry deals with 14.5-16 volts (equalizing voltage), it
>will no doubt shorten its lifespan.
Or not . . . depending upon the parameters. Ultra-cheap engineering
adopted by some of the less reputable RV manufacturers who are committed
to saving the very last farthing in design parameters in favour of
temporary corporate profit. For sure, I could provide a long list the RV
scum-of the-industry manufacturers who figure they can survive from
profits gained from directing sales toward the totally ignorant. :-(
For anyone contemplating a new RV purchase . . .
Chris Bryant - 17 Jun 2005 19:36 GMT
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:57:20 -0400, birch999 wrote:
>>On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:30:51 -0400, birch999 wrote:
>>> Merely a cover-ur-a.s legal caveat. Any 12 VDC appliance that can be
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> Aren't you the same Chris Bryant with the F Onan running something like
> 170 VAC?? <grin>
Har- yes, indeed, though I do believe it cut short the life of my Sony TV-
fried the flyback transformer.
> Without doubt, running a fridge at 250 VAC is going to fry the entire
> fridge, if the heating element doesn't melt down first. As for other AC
> appliances, they very in tolerance. While some of the better-designed
> TVs *may* tolerate 250 VAC, most cheapies prolly won't. But stuff like
> laptop computer power supplies can handle twice the voltage with ease.
Yabut- they are different animals. The power supply is often meant to
accept anything between 100 (Japan) and 240 (EU) volts, and output the
required voltage to the computer. If the power supply put 20 volts on the
+12 volt line (or 6 volts on the 3.3 volt line)- I doubt the computer
would last long.
>>DC appliances have a hard enough task, merely dealing with 11-14 volts
>>(the same as an AC appliance dealing with 110 - 140 volts), but most do
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> rather irresponsible to design any kind of appliance that couldn't
> tolerate voltages up to 25 VDC.
Well- yes and no. They basically just regulate the power on board the
circuit board. Making the regulator capable of dealing with 25 volts would
add significant heat sink requirements.
Actually, most new refrigerator boards will take up to 17 volts, but they
have to because of "dirty power"- when they filter dc power with a large
ripple, the end voltage will often be 15-17 volts.
I'm sure Dinosaur boards would probably survive- though they use 7812
regulators on board, which are not heat sinked, and I know that Sunbeam
tests their florescent ballasts to 24 volts.
>>Even if the circuitry deals with 14.5-16 volts (equalizing voltage), it
>>will no doubt shorten its lifespan.
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>
> For anyone contemplating a new RV purchase . . .
You would be amazed (or probably not) at the cost cutting that goes on. A
couple of examples- The older Norcold 6XX models- the oem's wanted to save
money, so Norcold built a model with no interior light- probably saving
less than $5 at the oem level. Some oem's delete the start kit option on
air conditioners- the customer complains the A/C won't start- Coleman adds
a start kit under warranty. Dohh!

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