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Tom - 02 Jul 2005 16:50 GMT
My Alaska trip with my 2 teen Granddaughters is finally ON,
just the three of us for 5 weeks.
We're going on the following route: Hope, BC; Williams Lake;
Dawson Creek; Ft. Nelson; Watson Lake; Whitehorse; Dawson City;
Tok; Eilson AFB (Fairbanks); Cantwell; Elmendorf AFB,Anchorage; Navy
Resort, Seward; from Seward, over to Skagway for the White Pass & Yukon
RR, on to Stewart/Hyder for a couple days, then homeward bound, back
to Tacoma.

Anybody have any suggestions of places of interest to stop for
a bit, please reply.  I have a copy of Milepost, but I'm not sure
how well a 14-year-old with her nose in a Nintendo will be able to
follow it.  ( I hope to be able to win the fight and leave the
Nintendos in the trailer during travel days).

Around Fairbanks, can the Northern Lights be seen in late July,
early August?  I've seen the Southern Lights from McMurdo, Antarctica,
but don't recall seeing them at the comparable time of year.

Thanks, one-and-all,  Tom the GOG (Grumpy Old Grampa)
Dapper Dave - 02 Jul 2005 18:28 GMT
>Tom <twright64@wavecable.com> wrote:

>My Alaska trip with my 2 teen Granddaughters is finally ON,
>just the three of us for 5 weeks.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>Thanks, one-and-all,  Tom the GOG (Grumpy Old Grampa)

Don't miss the most visited site in Alaska, the Portage Valley Visitor
Center. The most improved campground in Alaska is there (the Williwaw
campground). It's dry camping, but it is paved with large sites. You can
walk up to play in the snow from the campground all summer. You can make
reservations for sites there, but if you arrive in the morning there
have always been some sites available when we went there on weekends.

If you want to see moose, try Kincaid Park in Anchorage. That's where we
always took visiting friends and relatives to see them year around.

For a real hoot, go to the Fly By Night Club in Anchorage for an evening
of comedy, fried Spam, and music. We went once a year when we lived
there. Your 14-year-old will not be allowed in, though.

I think that the beachfront city camping in Seward is better than the
military resort there, but you can always move there if you want to once
you get to Seward. There is free WiFi at the Major Marine kiosk at the
small boat harbor there.

You won't see any Northern Lights in Alaska in the summer.

Have a great trip to the Upper One.

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LB@notmine.com - 02 Jul 2005 18:40 GMT
> My Alaska trip with my 2 teen Granddaughters is finally ON,
> just the three of us for 5 weeks.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Thanks, one-and-all,  Tom the GOG (Grumpy Old Grampa)

Two teenage girls????????????????  Good luck:-))

LB
Ed - 02 Jul 2005 20:27 GMT
>> My Alaska trip with my 2 teen Granddaughters is finally ON,
>> just the three of us for 5 weeks.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> RR, on to Stewart/Hyder for a couple days, then homeward bound, back
>> to Tacoma.

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>> Thanks, one-and-all,  Tom the GOG (Grumpy Old Grampa)
>
> Two teenage girls????????????????  Good luck:-))
>
> LB

Read his last line.  That is what he will be AFTER the trip. ha ha
Ed
Tom  J - 02 Jul 2005 20:47 GMT
>>> Thanks, one-and-all,  Tom the GOG (Grumpy Old Grampa)
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Read his last line.  That is what he will be AFTER the trip. ha ha
> Ed

Not at all. AFTER the trip, he'll be elated that it's over!! :-)
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Tom - 04 Jul 2005 02:20 GMT
Tom J wrote:

>>>>Thanks, one-and-all,  Tom the GOG (Grumpy Old Grampa)
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Not at all. AFTER the trip, he'll be elated that it's over!! :-)
For all the remarks about being with the two teenage girls,
FYI, we thoroughly enjoy the three of us being together.  Last
year we spent 3 weeks in So. Dakota, Wyo., and Utah.  Had a blast.
These girls are the light of my life, and their "Grumpy Ole Grampa"
is very special to them, too.  I've been abroad a couple of times
with the older one, New Zealand & Hong Kong, and between that and
our "domestic" trips, we have some very special memories.  No, it
ain't always easy with them, and we have our spats, but we never
let that get in our way.  We have a rule that it's OK to get mad,
but it ain't OK to stay mad until tomorrow!
Yeah, after the trip, we'll all be happy it's over, but we'll be
ready to go again next summer!
LB@notmine.com - 04 Jul 2005 03:33 GMT
> Tom J wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Yeah, after the trip, we'll all be happy it's over, but we'll be
> ready to go again next summer!

You, and the girls, are all very lucky.  Enjoy!

Please post back when you return and have recovered.

LB
Tom - 05 Jul 2005 14:24 GMT
>>Yeah, after the trip, we'll all be happy it's over, but we'll be
>>ready to go again next summer!
>
> You, and the girls, are all very lucky.  Enjoy!

Luck doesn't have much to do with it, it's another 4-letter
word that begins with "L".
LB@nospam.info - 05 Jul 2005 14:47 GMT
> >>Yeah, after the trip, we'll all be happy it's over, but we'll be
> >>ready to go again next summer!
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> Luck doesn't have much to do with it, it's another 4-letter
> word that begins with "L".

Ah but it does<bg>

For you:  Lucky to be able to afford it and to have the time to do it.
For the girls:  Lucky to have your Love to take them.

LB
LB@notmine.com - 02 Jul 2005 21:22 GMT
> >> My Alaska trip with my 2 teen Granddaughters is finally ON,
> >> just the three of us for 5 weeks.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Read his last line.  That is what he will be AFTER the trip. ha ha
> Ed

Probably

Anyway OP might want to note the URL for more info on Aurora

Subject:
       Solar Activity and Deep Impact
  Date:
       Sat, 02 Jul 2005 12:15:14 -0500
  From:
       "SpaceWeather.com" <swlist@spaceweather.com>

Space Weather News for July 2, 2005
http://spaceweather.com

SUNSPOTS GALORE:  Only a few days ago the sun was completely blank, but now it
is peppered with fast-growing sunspots.  So
far these active regions have produced no strong solar flares, but this could
change if their dynamic growth continues.
Visit spaceweather.com for movies of the growing 'spots and safe solar
observing tips.

REMINDER:  Far from Earth, NASA's Deep Impact spacecraft is about to poke a
hole through the crust of Comet Tempel 1.
When? July 3rd at 10:52 p.m. PDT  (July 4th at 0552 UT).  A plume of gas and
dust emerging from the hole could cause the
comet to brighten so much that sky watchers on Earth can see it through
binoculars or even with the unaided eye from
dark-sky sites. Observers in the western United States, Hawaii, Mexico and
parts of Central and South America are favored.
From those places the comet hangs in the southwestern sky after sunset on July
3rd--at the right place and time to view the
impact.  If the comet does brighten, it will look like a faint fuzzy smudge
not far from the bright star Spica.  Visit
spaceweather.com for a sky map and observing tips.

LB
birch999@hotmail.com - 02 Jul 2005 19:53 GMT
>My Alaska trip with my 2 teen Granddaughters is finally ON,
>just the three of us for 5 weeks.
>We're going on the following route: Hope, BC; Williams Lake;
>Dawson Creek; Ft. Nelson; Watson Lake;

Plan on a VERY slow drive from Fort Nelson to Watson Lake. During that
stretch a few weeks ago, in a single day, we got some great close-up
photos of:

1. Black bears
2. Grizzly bear (not a close up photo)
3. Caribou
4. Dall Sheep
5. Bison
6. Wild horses
7. Moose
8. Sandhill crane
9. Elk
10. Mule deer
11. White tail deer
12. Gray fox

> Whitehorse;

Good place to stock up on everything you will need for the next week or
so; either because options are limited, and what's available may cost up
to 2X the price.

If you are a shopping mall boondocker, Whitehorse is probably the last
chance as you head north. You can overnight in either Wal-Mart or the
Superstore grocery outlet. From then on, especially in Alaska, "No RV
Overnighting" signs dominate all of the shopping malls.  

> Dawson City;

Great place to spend a few days and relax before tackling the Top of the
World Highway (dirt path)! :-(.  (National) Parks Canada hosts a number
of interesting and well crafted tourist tours such as: the 7-story-high
gold mining dredge; an interesting historical biographical tour of the
Robert Service cabin; Jack London, etal. If you are using wifi for
communication, the Bonanza Gold Campground at the south end of town has
free wifi accessible from your rig.

>Tok; Eilson AFB (Fairbanks); Cantwell; Elmendorf AFB, Anchorage; Navy
>Resort, Seward; from Seward,

In Seward, you can camp on the gravel shore of Resurrection Bay ($12
with no hookups). From there, it's only a couple of minutes walk to the
Resurrection Bay day-cruise docks.

The cruise we chose, IIRC was Major Tours, narrated by a National Parks
ranger, and an included all-you-can-eat (tolerate?) salmon/prime rib
buffet. Perhaps not all that bad by navy standards, but . . . :-)    

>I have a copy of Milepost, but I'm not sure
>how well a 14-year-old with her nose in a Nintendo will be able to
>follow it.  ( I hope to be able to win the fight and leave the
>Nintendos in the trailer during travel days).

Lottsa luck! I didn't understand 14 year old girls when I was 14; and
over the ensuing 50 years the only additional info I've acquired merely
pertains to interfacing with ANY female. Just say things they absolutely
love to hear, like: "Yes dear!; whatever you say dear!"

>Around Fairbanks, can the Northern Lights be seen in late July,
>early August?

Not a chance. That's entirely a winter thing. Even if they were present
during the summer, they wouldn't at all be bright enough to be visible.
While there are still at least a few hours of "night" there, it really
doesn't get all that dark. At best, it doesn't get any darker than
twilight or a heavily overcast day.
Tom - 04 Jul 2005 15:16 GMT
Thanks for the heads-up on the drive into Watson Lake.
Also, looks like you weren't too impressed by the AYCE dinner on
the cruise.  I have booked that cruise and declined to sign up and
pay for the dinner.  Figured why pay all that for a dinner the
girls will just nibble at anyways.  We'll take some sanwiches, they
like PB&J.  ;-)
Take exception, tho, to the remark about "navy stanfards"!  I was a
lifer in submarine service and our chow would rival many fine dining
establishments downtown!  :-)

>The cruise we chose, IIRC was Major Tours, narrated by a National Parks
>ranger, and an included all-you-can-eat (tolerate?) salmon/prime rib
>buffet. Perhaps not all that bad by navy standards, but . . .  :-)
birch999@hotmail.com - 04 Jul 2005 22:43 GMT
>Also, looks like you weren't too impressed by the AYCE dinner on
>the cruise.  I have booked that cruise and declined to sign up and
>pay for the dinner.  Figured why pay all that for a dinner the
>girls will just nibble at anyways.  We'll take some sandwiches, they
>like PB&J.  ;-)

In all fairness, it wasn't **absolutely** terrible! It was pretty much
on par for yer average marine ferry boat cuisine. And if you don't have
any aversion to ingesting disintegrating salmon, that even Purina would
reject for their kitty-kat audience; or prime rib over-done to a
consistent cadaver-gray all the way through . . . <har!>
Tom - 05 Jul 2005 02:46 GMT
>>Also, looks like you weren't too impressed by the AYCE dinner on
>>the cruise.  I have booked that cruise and declined to sign up and
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> reject for their kitty-kat audience; or prime rib over-done to a
> consistent cadaver-gray all the way through . . . <har!>

I think I'll fer sher take a ham sanwich and the girls will
definitely go for their PB&J!!!!
Tom - 05 Jul 2005 02:48 GMT
>>Also, looks like you weren't too impressed by the AYCE dinner on
>>the cruise.  I have booked that cruise and declined to sign up and
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> reject for their kitty-kat audience; or prime rib over-done to a
> consistent cadaver-gray all the way through . . . <har!>

I think I'll fer sher take a ham sanwich and the girls will
definitely go for their PB&J!!!!   :-)
Dapper Dave - 05 Jul 2005 14:45 GMT
>Tom <twright64@wavecable.com> wrote:

>Thanks for the heads-up on the drive into Watson Lake.
>Also, looks like you weren't too impressed by the AYCE dinner on
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> >ranger, and an included all-you-can-eat (tolerate?) salmon/prime rib
> >buffet. Perhaps not all that bad by navy standards, but . . .  :-)

We did the dinner cruise only once. It was crowded and mediocre. After
that, we always took visiting friends and relatives on the shortest
Kenai Fjords tours we could get. Those are great tours, but after a few
hours most people are just waiting for it to be over.

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Tom - 06 Jul 2005 00:19 GMT
>>My Alaska trip with my 2 teen Granddaughters is finally ON,
>>just the three of us for 5 weeks.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> 11. White tail deer
> 12. Gray fox

I'm in Ft. Nelson on 21st July, in Watson Lake 23rd July.
I have no reservation made for 22nd July.  Is there RV space
at Muncho Lake?  Should I try to get a reservation somewhere
near there?  I've been told that Muncho Lake is a great spot
to stop for awhile.
birch999@hotmail.com - 06 Jul 2005 01:44 GMT
>> Plan on a VERY slow drive from Fort Nelson to Watson Lake. During that
>> stretch a few weeks ago, in a single day, we got some great close-up
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>> 11. White tail deer
>> 12. Gray fox

>I'm in Ft. Nelson on 21st July, in Watson Lake 23rd July.
>I have no reservation made for 22nd July.  Is there RV space
>at Muncho Lake?  Should I try to get a reservation somewhere
>near there?  I've been told that Muncho Lake is a great spot
>to stop for awhile.

Since we went through that area in May and June, I have no idea how
crowded campgrounds are in July. We stayed at the full service Westend
campground in Fort Nelson; and from there it's only a about 300 miles to
Watson Lake. I don't specifially recall Muncho Lake, other than the fact
that we were glad we stopped off at Fort Nelson for the night, rather
than continuing on to Muncho. The Provincial Park Campgrounds in that
area tend to have absolutely no services whatsoever . . no water, no
dump station, no nothing.
Tom - 06 Jul 2005 02:18 GMT
>>>Plan on a VERY slow drive from Fort Nelson to Watson Lake. During that
>>>stretch a few weeks ago, in a single day, we got some great close-up
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> area tend to have absolutely no services whatsoever . . no water, no
> dump station, no nothing.

Yeah, and they don't take reservations.  I went ahead and got
a reservation at the J & H Wilderness Campground right on the
beach at Muncho Lake.  Girls should like that!
Tom  J - 02 Jul 2005 20:11 GMT
> My Alaska trip with my 2 teen Granddaughters is finally ON,
> just the three of us for 5 weeks.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Anybody have any suggestions of places of interest to stop for
> a bit, please reply.

I would make 1 change to the schedule if it was me. I would wait until
I was on the way back to visit Skagway. The highway down from the
Alaska highway is a good road and very scenic. You'll be viewing the
railroad on the opposite side of the canyon wall as you descend into
Skagway.  There is a campground right between the train station and
the harbor where all the cruise ships come in. From there you can do
the RR trip, walk to all the shops in town and catch the catamaran for
a day trip to Juneau, with plenty of whale watching on the trip both
ways.  This stop was a highlight of our trip last year.

They were in the process of building a new theater at the college in
Fairbanks last year to replace the old building. If it's open now,
they have a great northern lights show. Ask, because that's the only
way you see northern lights in summer. It has to be dark!!  Make sure
the new theater is open because they were just doing a slide show in a
small room last year.

When visiting Hyder, be sure to drive past the "bear viewing area"
(there won't be any bears) until you start going up the canyon wall. A
sign will say "road not maintained", but it is by the mining company.
What you will be seeing are glaciers on every turn, with the largest
one directly below you being the Salmon Glacier. Very scenic.  If you
drive on up to the end of the road, about 18 miles, you'll see
icebergs that were stranded during the spring thaw.

There is a campground at Jade City. No hookups, but the price is
right. See jade boulders and finished pieces of all descriptions.

Grandpa, be sure to have an ample supply of your nerve medications!!
;-)
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Tom - 04 Jul 2005 02:32 GMT
Tom J wrote:
<snip>

> Grandpa, be sure to have an ample supply of your nerve medications!!
> ;-)

>(there won't be any bears)
There won't be any bears at the viewing area in Hyder?  The lady
who took my RV park reservation said there'd be lots of them.  I'm
gonna be in a HEAP a trubble if these gals don't see any bears (besides
the old bear they call Grampa).
Tom  J - 04 Jul 2005 17:28 GMT
> Tom J wrote:
> <snip>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> (besides
> the old bear they call Grampa).

Driving late in the day or early in that area, you should see bears,
but it would be a miracle to see them at the viewing platform.  I was
there before the park service went in and messed the place up and
there were bears going and coming almost all the time (early '90s),
but no more. Last year, we camped at the federal park just south of
the Stewart/Hyder connector. There were 2 female bears with 2 cubs
each in the park. Those cubs were fun to watch, climbing up and down
the trees every time a car went by.  We also saw bears between there
and Stewart, but not a bear after crossing into Hyder. We say many
bear, moose, sheep, etc in other places on up through BC, the Yukon
and Alaska though.

Tom J
Dave D - 03 Jul 2005 12:11 GMT
> My Alaska trip with my 2 teen Granddaughters is finally ON,
> just the three of us for 5 weeks.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Thanks, one-and-all,  Tom the GOG (Grumpy Old Grampa)

Hi Tom,
First off, you are a very brave man!!!! On to business - The other posters
have given some good advice and places to see. Let me add a bit... The drive
from Dawson City to Tok, AK (Top of the World and Taylor Highways) will be
the worst part (driving wise that is). They are basically good gravel roads
but narrow in places with no guard rails and if it is raining the shoulders
are very soft. Tour buses use that route also and there are places where one
of you had best pull over and stop.When you get to Eielson AFB, you are 26
miles from Fairbanks. Several things to see and do in Fairbanks.First the
Riverboat Discovery tour (about 3-4 hours), second the El Dorado Goldmine
tour, the UAF Geist Museum, the TransAlaska Pipeline viewpoint, and if you
feel up to it, a two day trip from Fairbanks to the Arctic Circle over the
Dalton Highway. Specifics-stop at the visitors center in downtown Fairbanks
and get contacts for these activities and a map. You can call the Discovery
people and book your tour there and the goldmine tour at the same time. The
riverboat Discovery is the second most visited attraction in Alaska,
contrary to a previous poster, it falls right behind Denali Park, the most
visited attraction in the state. Don't listen to any horror stories about
the Dalton Highway, it is now hard surfaced all the way to Coldfoot, Ak
which is half-way to the Arctic Ocean but you would only travel half-way
there going to the Arctic Circle. You will also cross the Yukon River on
your trip to the Arctic Circle. Hope this helps. If you need any additional
information, please feel free to call me, email me...I drive tour buses
during the summer here and have been in Alaska over 30 years. I will gladly
assist you in any way I can.

Sincerely,
Dave Dodson
3807 Plack Rd
North Pole, AK  99705
ddodson@acsalaska.net
LB@notmine.com - 03 Jul 2005 16:03 GMT
> > My Alaska trip with my 2 teen Granddaughters is finally ON,
> > just the three of us for 5 weeks.
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
> North Pole, AK  99705
> ddodson@acsalaska.net

I can not resist...

Sounds like a cool job and a cool place to live.

LB
Tom  J - 03 Jul 2005 19:46 GMT
>> > My Alaska trip with my 2 teen Granddaughters is finally ON,
>> > just the three of us for 5 weeks.
[quoted text clipped - 80 lines]
>
> Sounds like a cool job and a cool place to live.

It's not always COOL the time of year he's working driving tour
busses. It gets down right hot at times.  I sometimes see high temps
on same days higher than Atlanta, GA where I park when not RVing.
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LB@notmine.com - 03 Jul 2005 23:25 GMT
Tom J wrote:

> > I can not resist...
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Tom J
> http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/

That was pun son:-))

Does sound like an interesting job, in an interesting place.

LB
GeoffP - 04 Jul 2005 00:01 GMT
> Tom J wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>--
I would love to take my Grandkids on a trip like that.
I'm envious.LOL. Have a good one. They will be too
old to go with Grandpa soon.:-)
Geoff
Tom - 04 Jul 2005 02:30 GMT
>>Tom J wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> old to go with Grandpa soon.:-)
> Geoff

Nah, Geoff, these girls are under my STRICT order to never grow up!
(LOL) And they ALWAYS do what I tell them (again, double-LOL).
Tom - 04 Jul 2005 02:41 GMT
> My Alaska trip with my 2 teen Granddaughters is finally ON,
> just the three of us for 5 weeks.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Thanks, one-and-all,  Tom the GOG (Grumpy Old Grampa)

What a wealth of information!!!  Thanks everybody.  :-)
Burt - 28 Jul 2005 05:52 GMT
>> My Alaska trip with my 2 teen Granddaughters is finally ON,
>> just the three of us for 5 weeks.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> What a wealth of information!!!  Thanks everybody.  :-)

I have not been in that area for many years but north of Fort Nelson is the
Liard Hot Springs.  I am sure they are still accessable via a boardwalk of
approximately 1/2 mile.  Well worth the walk into the hot springs, as you
may encounter wildlife eating the submerged plant life...such as moose
......
When I lived in the area there were three pools, varying in temperature from
fairly warm to comfortable.  Maybe Stan can comment on this.

Burt
the other Daryl - 05 Jul 2005 03:04 GMT
> My Alaska trip with my 2 teen Granddaughters is finally ON,
> just the three of us for 5 weeks.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Thanks, one-and-all,  Tom the GOG (Grumpy Old Grampa)

See all that you can because Big Minning has succeeded in getting the
Federal government to turn over all enforcement of Pollution Control
Laws to the State of Alaska which, in the past, has made no bones about
not enforcing them in efforts to get as much out of the ground as they
can before a hue and cry from the people about the destruction can take
hold.

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