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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / August 2005Get to try my wifi
Going to fly to LA today ........................ I hope my arms can take it! (Oh, THAT Henny Youngman.) Going to take the new laptop, and play with it there. I will be going to the Mart and Staples, so they should have some setups. Is there a commonly recognized icon that people who have wifi put out so you know? BTW, I installed Office 2000 that I have. When you do that, the e mail goes from Outlook Express 6 to plain Outlook in the Internet Options section. You have to reselect Express, and it works fine. Until then, you get error messages. I couldn't figger it out after trying the e mail feature. So, I called the 800# for tech support. They couldn't figger it out either, and told me that they didn't handle that, and that I would have to contact the manufacturer, and pay a service call. Some tech support. I hate it when they know the answers, but won't tell you. As I was on repeated hold as (I imagined) the knowledge challenged girl on the other end ran back and forth down the hall to ask someone else each time I asked her a question, I figured it out and solved my own problem. I hope they do better when it gets run over by the motorhome two months before the expiration date of the protection plan. ;-) Other than that, I like the Toshiba so far. I hate the flat keyboards, but what the heck. Steve You may find that you cannot use Outlook with wifi. I can receive with it, but can't send. (Or is it I can send but not receive?) So I have to go to my ISP's mail to do so. Not a big deal for me.  SignatureDale Gillespie My Homepage: www.FishWisher.com My RV Site: http://groups.msn.com/CoachpotatosRVHomepage/_whatsnew.msnw > Going to fly to LA today ........................ I hope my arms can take > it! [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Steve > You may find that you cannot use Outlook with wifi. I can receive with it, > but can't send. (Or is it I can send but not receive?) So I have to go to > my ISP's mail to do so. Not a big deal for me. Make sure that you have set your software to authenticate your user ID when sending via SMTP. That way, you won't have problems when not connected directly to your ISP. >"RAM^3" <S31924.nospam@netscape.net> wrote: >> You may find that you cannot use Outlook with wifi. I can receive with it, >> but can't send. (Or is it I can send but not receive?) So I have to go to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >That way, you won't have problems when not connected directly to your ISP. That works if your ISP has an authenticated SMTP server. Mine doesn't. You can get a free authenticated SMTP server from Gmail. That should allow you to send ANY email, not just from Gmail accounts, by the way. They are also available from Verizon Wireless and Escapees. SignatureDD > >"RAM^3" <S31924.nospam@netscape.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > allow you to send ANY email, not just from Gmail accounts, by the way. > They are also available from Verizon Wireless and Escapees. You might want to try authenticating with your ISP's server, Dave: although they don't *require* authentication when dialed/connected directly they *may* allow authenticated access nonetheless. Another outbound approach is to use a Hotmail/MSN or Netscape account to do your sending... >You might want to try authenticating with your ISP's server, Dave: although >they don't *require* authentication when dialed/connected directly they >*may* allow authenticated access nonetheless. > >Another outbound approach is to use a Hotmail/MSN or Netscape account to do >your sending... You could try PostCast Server as well. From their site: "PostCast Server is an SMTP mail server program that completely replaces your ISP's SMTP server. By making one small change in your e-mail program, you can start sending messages directly from your computer." http://www.postcastserver.com/ I have had mixed success with it. YMMV. GregR > "PostCast Server is an SMTP mail server program that completely replaces > your ISP's SMTP server. By making one small change in your e-mail program, > you can start sending messages directly from your computer." Nothing against PostCast (I have a couple of sendmail type servers on my computer), but even though it might be a pain, I would hope that most ISP's are either now blocking, or going to soon block port 25 (used to directly send email). A huge percentage of spam is sent by infected computers directly through port 25. SignatureChris Bryant http://bryantrv.com >"RAM^3" <S31924.nospam@netscape.net> wrote: >> >"RAM^3" <S31924.nospam@netscape.net> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >they don't *require* authentication when dialed/connected directly they >*may* allow authenticated access nonetheless. Good point. I tried it, and it didn't work with my ISP, though. >Another outbound approach is to use a Hotmail/MSN or Netscape account to do >your sending... Ugh. The dreaded webmail interface? For $20/year you can get Hotmail account with POP/SMTP access, but Gmail accounts are free. SignatureDD > Ugh. The dreaded webmail interface? For $20/year you can get Hotmail > account with POP/SMTP access, but Gmail accounts are free. <chuckle> I'm using OE to access a Hotmail account via MAPI instead of their webmail. A couple of months ago I received one of their infamous newsletters stating that new accounts would be restricted to the web interface but, as an "old" account, could continue using the MAPI. A month later I set my wife's OE up to pull her Hotmail account with no problems. You might want to try it. >"RAM^3" <S31924.nospam@netscape.net> wrote: >> Ugh. The dreaded webmail interface? For $20/year you can get Hotmail >> account with POP/SMTP access, but Gmail accounts are free. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >You might want to try it. Yeah, I have half a dozen old Hotmail accounts that I access with OE. I tested with a new Hotmail account back in April, and it was not accessible with OE. They apparently really have shut the door on their WebDAV feature for the free accounts. SignatureDD >> You may find that you cannot use Outlook with wifi. I can receive with >> it, but can't send. (Or is it I can send but not receive?) So I have to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > That way, you won't have problems when not connected directly to your ISP. Okay, here's what happened. While staying at the Omni, in LA, we could get e mail, but couldn't send any. A couple of other places had free wifi setups where I could get out, but couldn't send e mails. What do I have to do and where do I set this thing? Steve >Okay, here's what happened. While staying at the Omni, in LA, we could get >e mail, but couldn't send any. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >What do I have to do and where do I set this thing? Steve, As a way to combat spam many ISP's will allow connecting to port 25 ONLY if you are from their domain. Port 25 is the default port that is used to SEND email. So here's an example: Say your ISP at home is Cox.net. When you send mail from home your mail program connects to cox.net via their port 25. But when you are using someone else's wi-fi you are using their ISP. Let's just say the Omni uses Earthlink.net as an ISP. When you try to send email from Omni you are trying to connect to Cox.net port 25 , but Earthlink.net will allow you to connect to port 25 only at earthlink.net. The way around this is to send mail using webmail or find out is your ISP will allow you to use a different port. HTH, Jon ==================================================== Jon Griffin SKP 75680 FMCA F257439 apply ROT13 to my address Vnz@eniatvqvbgf.arg ==================================================== >>Okay, here's what happened. While staying at the Omni, in LA, we could >>get [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Vnz@eniatvqvbgf.arg > ==================================================== Very clear, concise and friendly. Good post, Geoff. > On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:45:24 -0700, "SteveB" > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > trying to connect to Cox.net port 25 , but Earthlink.net will allow > you to connect to port 25 only at earthlink.net. You can also check with your ISP as some have secure servers for POP and SMTP. They use other ports.. i.e. SMTP on port 465. These are useable for outside the ISP's domain. I know that AT&T has these ports available and so do some other ISPs.. Once setup with userid and passwords you see nothing different when sending or receiving mail. There are also secure news servers available .. i.e. AT&T also. SignatureJim & Barb - Parked in Rhinebeck, NY for awhile.. Phooey Winnie 35U & Jeep Liberty toad SKP 74448 Jon: What is ROT 13? >>Okay, here's what happened. While staying at the Omni, in LA, we could get >>e mail, but couldn't send any. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Vnz@eniatvqvbgf.arg > ==================================================== >On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 jtminqc <jtminqc1atnetscape.net> wrote: >Jon: What is ROT 13? It's a system of encoding data. To un-encode, highlight the selection you wish to decode, and then from the edit or message menu, or wherever it is located on your particular software, and click on ROT13 or Unscramble ROT13. Thanks. I use Mozilla Thunderbird, and have not seen this ROT13 anywhere. Thanks all the same, I was just curious. >>On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 jtminqc <jtminqc1atnetscape.net> wrote: >>Jon: What is ROT 13? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it is located on your particular software, and click on ROT13 or > Unscramble ROT13. >"SteveB" <desertNOSPAMtraveler@cox.net> wrote: >Okay, here's what happened. While staying at the Omni, in LA, we could get >e mail, but couldn't send any. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Steve You need an authenticated SMTP server. You can get one from Gmail (complete with directions on how to use it). I'll send you a Gmail invite, in case you don't already have an account. SignatureDD > Okay, here's what happened. While staying at the Omni, in LA, we could get > e mail, but couldn't send any. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What do I have to do and where do I set this thing? I assume you use POP mail(Outlook Express, Thunderbird, or some other POP client downloading mail to your hard drive). The problem is most likely with your ISP not accepting inputs to its SMTP server from the internet side. A second reason is that some ISPs block access to port 25 where most SMTP servers listen. With WiFi, you are never sure what the ISP is doing. The solution is get a free gmail account; they use an authenticated secure server on a different port for their POP mail, and should work anywhere. Ask for an invitation to gmail and you are likely to receive several... :-) Second best...it still uses port 25, but it does accept input from the internet side is a free hotpop mail account. Sign up at www.hotpop.com Third alternative is send from a webmail account. Any webmail account will work from any connection. HTH, Barrie B >You may find that you cannot use Outlook with wifi. I can receive with it, >but can't send. (Or is it I can send but not receive?) So I have to go to my >ISP's mail to do so. Not a big deal for me. Better yet download Thunderbird and use it for your email. Much better program and it will help you to stop top posting. SignatureGypsy Bill & Jo Ann Full timing RV'ers reply to: az9b13d4j located at earthlink dot net > >You may find that you cannot use Outlook with wifi. I can receive with it, > >but can't send. (Or is it I can send but not receive?) So I have to go to my > >ISP's mail to do so. Not a big deal for me. > > Better yet download Thunderbird and use it for your email. Much > better program and it will help you to stop top posting. Outlook works fine with WiFi. The problems many people have is that THEIR ISP does not allow connections to their send mail server (SMTP server) from the internet to prevent spammers from using it. The solution is an ISP that allows such connections like $4.95/mo all2easy.net (www.all2easy.net), free hotpop email (www.hotpop.com), or a free gmail account (ask for an invitation to join gmail from a member) that uses secure authenticating SMTP servers with access allowed from the net with proper authentication. HTH, Barrie B >>You may find that you cannot use Outlook with wifi. I can receive with it, >>but can't send. (Or is it I can send but not receive?) So I have to go to my >>ISP's mail to do so. Not a big deal for me. > >Better yet download Thunderbird and use it for your email. Much >better program and it will help you to stop top posting. im not the OP and i haven't tried t-bird. i prefer outlook and will continue to use it. i'm able to both send and receive e-mail to/from my earthlink, google and yahoo e-mail accounts while on wi-fi. 73, rich, n9dko >I hate the flat keyboards . . So do I! So I always carry a real keyboard and mouse to plug into the laptop. >Going to fly to LA today ........................ I hope my arms can take >it! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >the Mart and Staples, so they should have some setups. >snipped let us know how it went, steve. i just took delivery of my dell d810 laptop. it came configured with the intel pro wireless 802.11b/g card. we just got back from a weekend trip during which we detected dozens of wi-fi hot spots. we found several public, open, unencrypted spots but i was unable to connect to any of them. most had good signals ranging from 3-5 bars (on a 5 bar scale). firewalls are off so i don't understand why i can't connect. the sites i tried were not WPA or encrypted. any suggestions on what to look for or do? 73, rich, n9dko >>Going to fly to LA today ........................ I hope my arms can take >>it! [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > 73, > rich, n9dko Shoot, yer asking the wrong person. I copied the POP and SMTP settings off this computer onto the laptop before I left. I could get e mail while there, but couldn't send. Some helpful souls posted the answer here (I think), but I am waiting for them to translate from the dialectic Greek to English. Contrary to what my dogs think, I'm not that smart. Steve ;-) >I could get e mail while >there, but couldn't send. Some helpful souls posted the answer here (I >think), but I am waiting for them to translate from the dialectic Greek to >English. I have the same problem with my ISP: I can receive email via an offline reader, but can't send anything. So for sending from a wifi connection, I have to use my ISP's webmail provision or hotmail. You can do the same with cox.net. Go to your cox.net home page, and log onto webmail. You should always be able to send email via webmail. |
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