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Bob Hatch - 07 Aug 2005 13:48 GMT
Night before last we were staying in a tourist area of Massachusetts in a
pretty darn expensive RV Park/Campground. We drove down the main road and
stopped at the local Wal-Mart to buy a couple of items and the was a sign
posted at the lot that said. "NO OVERNIGHT PARKING!"

This is unacceptable. Stop this practice before it gets out of hand. Don't
spend any money in Massachusetts. Don't go to Massachusetts. Don't order
anything on line that comes from Massachusetts. Don't call friends or family
in Massachusetts.

Even if you have no plan of going to Massachusetts, write the Governor a
letter and tell him you won't come there because of this unfair anti RV'er
practice.

Write and call Ted Kennedy. Insist he throw his entire weight, and it's
considerable, behind an effort to make all of Massachusetts more RV
friendly.

Tell everyone you know that until everyone can stay for free in every town
in Massachusetts it's on the boycott list. This is important.

I'll keep doing my part on this massive effort to make free parking a
worldwide reality.

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of consecutive days I have stayed alive."
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Mark Jones - 07 Aug 2005 15:07 GMT
> I'll keep doing my part on this massive effort to make free parking a
> worldwide reality.
Keep up the good work.
Wade - 07 Aug 2005 15:29 GMT
> Night before last we were staying in a tourist area of Massachusetts in a
> pretty darn expensive RV Park/Campground. We drove down the main road and
> stopped at the local Wal-Mart to buy a couple of items and the was a sign
> posted at the lot that said. "NO OVERNIGHT PARKING!"

This being Massachusetts you should have flashed your gun at them, that
would have taught them a lesson, wonder if the Fish monger is reading about
this restrictive laws?
Wade
SteveB - 07 Aug 2005 15:38 GMT
> Night before last we were staying in a tourist area of Massachusetts in a
> pretty darn expensive RV Park/Campground. We drove down the main road and
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> I'll keep doing my part on this massive effort to make free parking a
> worldwide reality.

I hadn't planned to go to Massachusetts.  But, I will plan a trip today,
then cancel it, so I can take part in this valiant effort.

Steve

PS:  Besides Ted Kennedy, what comes from Mass.?
RAM^3 - 07 Aug 2005 17:38 GMT
>  PS:  Besides Ted Kennedy, what comes from Mass.?

John Kerry
Will Sill - 07 Aug 2005 15:53 GMT
I see where "Bob Hatch" <bobhatch@go.com> contributed this obviously
tongue-in-cheek polemic:

>. . . . . Don't
>spend any money in Massachusetts. Don't go to Massachusetts. Don't order
>anything on line that comes from Massachusetts. Don't call friends or family
>in Massachusetts.

Funny as that is, I confess to having similar feelings from our
reaction to the eastern New England aura of "If your grandfathah
wahn't born heah, you oughta head west."   In all our travels I cannot
recall ever having been made to feel as unwelcome anywhere else (as an
rv'er) - even though my ancestors were among the earliest to settle
the region (1636/7).  Whatever the true reason - arrogant drivers,
liberal politics/corruption, just plain snobbishness, or a bad
personal attitude - we admit we don't consider the region as worth
visiting again despite the many historic points of interest.

Even if all the parking lots were free to overnighters.

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
birch999@hotmail.com - 07 Aug 2005 22:09 GMT
>n Sun, 07 Aug 2005 14:53:50 GMT, Will Sill <will@epix.anet> wrote:

>Funny as that is, I confess to having similar feelings from our
>reaction to the eastern New England aura of "If your grandfathah
>wahn't born heah, you oughta head west."   In all our travels I cannot
>recall ever having been made to feel as unwelcome anywhere else (as an
>rv'er) - even though my ancestors were among the earliest to settle
>the region (1636/7).

Must be some sort of Maritime thing; and a sociological phenomena of
Nova Scotian society and culture where there are two distinctive
classes of citizens:

1. Those that were born there; and

2. Those who are "from away."

Doesn't matter if you have lived there for 40 years; if you weren't
born there, then you'll **never** be accepted as a true Nova Scotian,
but merely an intruder who is "from away."  Amongst the most despised
foreigners, those from "Upper Canada" (Ontario) tend to be a tad more
than they can tolerate: Better educated by a wide margin, wealthier by
the same margin; and FAR more successful in the business world than
anything Nova Scotians can even begin to imagine; a whole lot of
resentment (a penis-envy sort of scenario) has built up over the
years.

Even with Alexander Keith's rather dubious century-old claim-to-fame;
the Alexander Keith Brewery has demonstrated the intelligence to
abandon their limited down-east resources in favour of vastly superior
resources of educated Upper Canada, i.e Toronto.
Leanne - 08 Aug 2005 02:24 GMT
> Must be some sort of Maritime thing; and a sociological phenomena of
> Nova Scotian society and culture where there are two distinctive
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> 2. Those who are "from away."

I was originally from the Cape Cod/ Buzzards Bay area and that
still holds true there. My sister-in -law lived there for over
forty years, but she was originally from western New York and
was an outsider. In the village proper, there is a rule about no
mobile homes or campers on your property. I just got back from a
trip there and stayed in  a relatives driveway and was
overlooked by the camper police as I was only going to be there
for three weeks. One of the neighbors got her nose out of shape
over it, but I am only there for a short time every couple of
years.

Leanne
Mickey - 08 Aug 2005 17:18 GMT
> I see where "Bob Hatch" <bobhatch@go.com> contributed this obviously
> tongue-in-cheek polemic:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Will Sill
> The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Didn't catch the original post but from what Will has included and
said of himself, I have to be in agreement.

When I was a working man, well OK, employeed, headquaters was in a
greater Boston area.  Generally unfriendly would be a couple steps up
from what I've observed.  Took the wife with me once and she could
believe the general attitude of those she ran across.

With that said I don't thing this attitude prevails in the Western
part of the state.  Had to visit Pittsville, GE Plastics, once and I
said something about those along the coast.  The people I was with was
in agreement with my thoughts on attitude of those on the coast.

Mickey
Will Sill - 08 Aug 2005 17:37 GMT
I see where Mickey <mickey@webster.com> contributed:

>When I was a working man, well OK, employeed, headquaters was in a
>greater Boston area.  Generally unfriendly would be a couple steps up
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>said something about those along the coast.  The people I was with was
>in agreement with my thoughts on attitude of those on the coast.

Allow me to add that many coastal areas dominated by Old Money and the
Neuveau Riche tend to share a snobbish outlook towards vistors.  I
would not wish to be thought of as condemning the whole State - just
that we feel uncomfortable as rv'ers pretty much along the entire New
England Coast south of Bath ME...  with the least acceptance between
Gloucester MA and NYC.
Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
canoli@sbcglobal.net - 08 Aug 2005 20:25 GMT
>Allow me to add that many coastal areas dominated by Old Money and the
>Neuveau Riche tend to share a snobbish outlook towards vistors.  I
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Will Sill
>The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill

There is living proof:  what goes abound, comes around.  

Or haven't you figured out that if you speak to people in person in
the blunt manner you employ around here, you're unlikely to find warm
welcomes or even cool acceptance anywhere.

Canoli
OsiTech.Net - 08 Aug 2005 22:01 GMT
"Or haven't you figured out that if you speak to people in person in
the blunt manner you employ around here, you're unlikely to find warm
welcomes or even cool acceptance anywhere."

Not true.

It is common knowledge that relationships online and in person are
different.

One is spoken and the other is written without the benefit of facial
expression.

>>Allow me to add that many coastal areas dominated by Old Money and the
>>Neuveau Riche tend to share a snobbish outlook towards vistors.  I
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Canoli
Jim Redelfs - 09 Aug 2005 00:12 GMT
>> The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill

> There is living proof:  what goes abound, comes around.  
>
> Or haven't you figured out that if you speak to people in person in
> the blunt manner you employ around here, you're unlikely to find warm
> welcomes or even cool acceptance anywhere.

Yabbut, while he may be less inclined to speak as freely in person, it's a
CINCH that the online wackos and twit posters he responds to would be likewise
less inclined to be their on-line "self" in person.

JR
SteveB - 09 Aug 2005 02:13 GMT
>>> The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill

Some people have a problem with others who are direct, blunt, and truthful.

I rather admire people like that because I don't dance around trying to find
words to satisfy.  I know exactly what that person is thinking because they
say it.

Life, IMHO, for me, is infinitely easier with people who behave thusly.

It eliminates many games.  But some people thrive on such games.

It doesn't matter how one blusters and says how they WOULD treat such a
straightforward person in face to face contact.  Chances are, the more
mature honest direct human would keep contact with the lesser being very
short, and it would never get to a critical point.  The superior being would
be on their way, and the inferior being would not even suspect they had been
evaluated, discounted, and dispatched.  It's like fooling a dog with sleight
of hand.  They don't have the intelligence to even evaluate the situation.
For those who don't understand that, it means, you will never get to say, "I
outta kick yer a.s for that" because you will never get into the
conversation deep enough to get to that point.

In cyberspace, the protocol is different.  Here, we get stupid people going
on and on and on and on and on and on.

Well, you get the idea.

Just ask yourself ......... " In real life, how long do I deal with a stupid
moron before I blow them out the door

I think you've answered your own question, Grasshoppa!

Steve
Will Sill - 09 Aug 2005 13:31 GMT
I see where "SteveB" <deserttraveler@cox.net> contributed an
insightful commentary on the issue that:

>Some people have a problem with others who are direct, blunt, and truthful.

I dunno what the percentage is, but with rare exceptions, those
thin-skinned types who are offended at "direct, blunt, and truthful"
are offended at life itself. They tend to see the world as a
battleground in which they are the victims of "attack".  Instead of
trying to understand why someone disagrees with them, they interpret
all evidence of disagreement as proof of intent to hurt their
feelings.

After years of experience - including many in an unpopular role in
industry (Safety Engineer) - I've learned that humans generally
dislike having the truth presented to them.   In fact, it's unusual
for a wrongdoer to be grateful for having his wrong revealed --- no
matter how diplomatic you try to be, you can be pretty sure you'll
make someone angry by saying (in any language, tone or camouflage)
"that was wrong".  

It does not matter at all that your facts are right; that all credible
experts agree with you; that the law and the regulations are on your
side; that scientific methods repeatedly prove your point; that any
court in the land would agree with you; or that the wrongdoer is a
raving loon.  There will STILL be some who insist that a gentle.
soothing, politically correct and vague _style_ of feedback is more
important than MAKING THE POINT.

My point: If you don't like my style, don't read my stuff.   I wasn't
talking to you anyway because I understand the futility of trying to
communicate with fools.

Will Sill
In the US, anyone can express a point of view.
Sadly, there is no requirement that views be
informed, honest, useful or even logical.  If
there was, newgroup traffic would be down 80%.
Jim Redelfs - 09 Aug 2005 23:17 GMT
>> Some people have a problem with others who are
>> direct, blunt, and truthful.

> I dunno what the percentage is, but with rare exceptions, those
> thin-skinned types who are offended at "direct, blunt, and truthful"
> are offended at life itself.

I think the percentage is rather HIGH - and getting higher.   <sigh>

> humans generally dislike having the truth presented to them.
> In fact, it's unusual for a wrongdoer to be grateful for having his
> wrong revealed --- no matter how diplomatic you try to be, you can
> be pretty sure you'll make someone angry by saying (in any language,
> tone or camouflage) "that was wrong".

Bingo.  You "nailed it".  Amen.

> It does not matter at all that your facts are right; that all credible
> experts agree with you; that the law and the regulations are on your
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> soothing, politically correct and vague _style_ of feedback is more
> important than MAKING THE POINT.

Nailed it again.  32+ years of doing high quality work has alienated more than
a few coworkers who couldn't pound sand in a rat hole WITH PICTORIAL
INSTRUCTIONS, even if they WANTED to.  Those that regularly do the worst work
scream the loudest when confronted.  Of course, they scream no matter how the
failure is presented.

> My point: If you don't like my style, don't read my stuff.

Wotta concept:  Don't like what you see?  Change the channel.

> I wasn't talking to you anyway because I understand the futility of
> trying to communicate with fools.

Hehehehe!  You're "ahead" of me.  I still try occasionally, as futile as it is.

        :)
JR
Hunter - 07 Aug 2005 16:07 GMT
>Tell everyone you know that until everyone can stay for free in every town
>in Massachusetts it's on the boycott list. This is important.

This should have come with a spew warning.

Hunter
http://members.aol.com/hhamp5246/roadtrip2005.htm

Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!"
canoli@sbcglobal.net - 07 Aug 2005 23:57 GMT
>Tell everyone you know that until everyone can stay for free in every town
>in Massachusetts it's on the boycott list. This is important.

That loud snap you may have heard was my change purse closing with a
bang.

Fie on Massachusetts, I'll hunt somewhere else for a WM where I can
stock up on things I don't need, sold by a company I don't admire, who
imports cheap stuff made by Chinese convicts, while I freecamp to my
heart's content.

The hidden benefit to ostracizing these havens of greed is in saving
lots of money on fuel while punishing the money-grubbers.  If I don't
go I won't spend money and they will suffer no end, so I'm making the
sacrifice and will just stay home rather than enjoy new places and
people.

That'll show 'em, by golly.

Canoli
lotsatime - 08 Aug 2005 00:49 GMT
> Night before last we were staying in a tourist area of Massachusetts in a
> pretty darn expensive RV Park/Campground. We drove down the main road and
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> I'll keep doing my part on this massive effort to make free parking a
> worldwide reality.

I have just finished asking my best friend to move out of Massachusetts
so I can still go and visit him. Next I am going to get my wife's sister
and her husband to move out of Nova Scotia!!!
Alan Robinson - 08 Aug 2005 07:39 GMT
> Night before last we were staying in a tourist area of Massachusetts in a
> pretty darn expensive RV Park/Campground. We drove down the main road and
> stopped at the local Wal-Mart to buy a couple of items and the was a sign
> posted at the lot that said. "NO OVERNIGHT PARKING!"

Actually, I called my son and had him run over and put that sign up just for
you. Told him that, if he couldn't see reason and move back west, the least
he could do was make you feel welcome <g>.

Alan
PaulT - 08 Aug 2005 12:06 GMT
> Night before last we were staying in a tourist area of Massachusetts in a
> pretty darn expensive RV Park/Campground. We drove down the main road and
> stopped at the local Wal-Mart to buy a couple of items and the was a sign
> posted at the lot that said. "NO OVERNIGHT PARKING!"

Don't call friends or family in Massachusetts.

> I'll keep doing my part on this massive effort to make free parking a
> worldwide reality.

Me too. I've told all my relatives they have until sundown to move out of
state.

Paul
Bob Hatch - 08 Aug 2005 13:41 GMT
> Tell everyone you know that until everyone can stay for free in every
> town in Massachusetts it's on the boycott list. This is important.
>
> I'll keep doing my part on this massive effort to make free parking a
> worldwide reality.

Thanks to everyone for your support on this effort. I can already predict
success in our efforts. I have it on very good authority that tourism will
drop, dramatically, in Massachusetts within the next 25 days. This drop in
tourist revenue will force this RV unfriendly state to change their ways.

The next step has already started, that being the massive out flux of
Massachusetts citizens supporting our cause. Once these folks begin to quit
their jobs and move to other states, Massachusetts will have no choice but
to relent and give in to our demands.

I still think we need to throw Ted Kennedy at the problem, but that's just
my opinion. I think he could make a huge dent in this issue.

Keep up the good work. We will prevail. We will overcome. We will triumph.

WE WILL PARK FOR FREE!

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Will Sill - 08 Aug 2005 14:54 GMT
I see where "Bob Hatch" <bobhatch@go.com> contributed:

>I still think we need to throw Ted Kennedy at the problem, but that's just
>my opinion. I think he could make a huge dent in this issue.

Hehehehe.

It's a shame the wrong party escaped from the Olds at Chappaquiddick.

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
SteveB - 08 Aug 2005 16:37 GMT
>> Tell everyone you know that until everyone can stay for free in every
>> town in Massachusetts it's on the boycott list. This is important.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> WE WILL PARK FOR FREE!

Whenever I don't like something, I like to speak up.

I know that this effort will cripple Massachusetts economy and force them to
live on interest income from generations of old money.  So, it won't really
affect the average Massachussian.

But, as when I get bad service at a restaurant, I don't just go away.  I
tell the manager why I am leaving and not happy, and give him the
opportunity to suck up to me.

Perhaps someone should get ahold of the manager of Massachusetts and advise
them why we are doing this so they won't have to spend $2 for an economic
study that they can get for a few e mails.  Well, maybe, just to serve them
right, we could let them spend the $2 mil, and let them get some of it back
when they melt down the "No Overnight Parking" signs.

But, then, perhaps they will relent, and allow RVers back.

Too bad.  I've already changed my plans to go to Rancho Cucamonga for the
fall changing of the colors.

Steve
Mark Jones - 08 Aug 2005 18:08 GMT
> I still think we need to throw Ted Kennedy at the problem, but that's just
> my opinion. I think he could make a huge dent in this issue.

Somebody might get a hernia if they try that.
Dan Listermann - 08 Aug 2005 14:47 GMT
Is this a statewide thing or just a local thing?

Dan

> Night before last we were staying in a tourist area of Massachusetts in a
> pretty darn expensive RV Park/Campground. We drove down the main road and
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> I'll keep doing my part on this massive effort to make free parking a
> worldwide reality.
Bob Hatch - 08 Aug 2005 15:19 GMT
> Is this a statewide thing or just a local thing?
>
> Dan

It doesn't make any difference. It happened in MA. Avoid MA. Boycott MA. Sic
Kerry on the problem, and he will wound their resolve to continue in their
RV unfriendly ways.
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BEVANS2@swfla.rr.com - 09 Aug 2005 11:40 GMT
I have just taken Massachusetts off my New England trip being planed for
this fall!!!
> Night before last we were staying in a tourist area of Massachusetts in a
> pretty darn expensive RV Park/Campground. We drove down the main road and
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> I'll keep doing my part on this massive effort to make free parking a
> worldwide reality.
JIMinFL - 09 Aug 2005 13:34 GMT
You'll be sorry you missed all of the fall festivities. I understand they
are having a gay old time up there lately. ;-)
Jim
>I have just taken Massachusetts off my New England trip being planed for
> this fall!!!
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>> I'll keep doing my part on this massive effort to make free parking a
>> worldwide reality.
SteveB - 09 Aug 2005 16:24 GMT
> You'll be sorry you missed all of the fall festivities. I understand they
> are having a gay old time up there lately. ;-)
> Jim

GAY! (?)  They got gay people in Mass.?

Steve
JIMinFL - 09 Aug 2005 20:57 GMT
I suspect so. Do you find that odd Steve?

>> You'll be sorry you missed all of the fall festivities. I understand they
>> are having a gay old time up there lately. ;-)
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Steve
Ray Boyer - 10 Aug 2005 02:46 GMT
'We drove down the main road and stopped at the local Wal-Mart to buy a
couple of items and the was a sign posted at the lot that said. "NO
OVERNIGHT PARKING!"
This is unacceptable. Stop this practice before it gets out of hand.
Don't spend any money in Massachusetts. Don't go to Massachusetts. Don't
order anything on line that comes from Massachusetts. Don't call friends
or family in Massachusetts.'

REPLY: Isnt this a little drastic !?   So what if the local Walmart
doesnt want overnighters ;  just go down to K Mart or Venture or
anywhere theres a big Dept. Store parking lot.    Man, id hate to see
what youre like if someone accidentally cuts you off in heavy traffic --
youd probably pull out and Uzi  and shoot everyone within a 100 yard
radius of the perpetrator !  RELAX !  Take a hot bath. Enjoy life...dont
take things so darn hard !
Hunter - 10 Aug 2005 03:15 GMT
>REPLY: Isnt this a little drastic !?   So what if the local Walmart
>doesnt want overnighters ;  just go down to K Mart or Venture or
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>radius of the perpetrator !  RELAX !  Take a hot bath. Enjoy life...dont
>take things so darn hard

Ray,

It's a running joke... you're new here aren't you?

Hunter
http://members.aol.com/hhamp5246/roadtrip2005.htm

Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!"
unk - 11 Aug 2005 04:02 GMT
>Ray,
>
>It's a running joke... you're new here aren't you?
>
>Hunter

What???  A running JOKE?  A JOKE???

Here all this time I have been sending hundreds of letters, post
cards, and telegrams to dozens, nay, hundreds of Mass officials
expressing my hurt, anger, sorrow, disgust (have you ever been
gusted?) and pain.

I have joined Mass campground groups and then quit.  I have ordered
thousands of $$ worth of merchandise from W-M and then cancelled. I
even threatened to go there then threatened to not go.

Only to find out this has all been a hoax?

unk
Hunter - 11 Aug 2005 04:19 GMT
>Only to find out this has all been a hoax?

Shhhh, not really... you done good.

Hunter
http://members.aol.com/hhamp5246/roadtrip2005.htm

Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!"
unk - 11 Aug 2005 23:55 GMT
Thank you.  I feel so much better.  I will now assume my regular fetal
position under my b'ankie.

ni-night.

>>Only to find out this has all been a hoax?
>
>Shhhh, not really... you done good.
>
>Hunter
SteveB - 12 Aug 2005 01:10 GMT
> Thank you.  I feel so much better.  I will now assume my regular fetal
> position under my b'ankie.
>
> ni-night.

here.... don't forget your keyboard .............
Hunter - 12 Aug 2005 04:38 GMT
>Thank you.  I feel so much better.  I will now assume my regular fetal
>position under my b'ankie.
>
>ni-night.

<g>

Sleep tight, don't let the bed bugs bite.

Hunter
http://members.aol.com/hhamp5246/roadtrip2005.htm

Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!"
SteveB - 11 Aug 2005 06:25 GMT
>>Ray,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> What???  A running JOKE?  A JOKE???

I imagine Foghorn Leghorn saying in his Phil Harris voice, "It's a joke son.
Ahhhh said, a joke!"

Steve
Greg Surratt - 11 Aug 2005 09:25 GMT
>What???  A running JOKE?  A JOKE???
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>unk

I've never been gusted, but my SO has.  She was trying to put the
awning in and it got away from her.  At 5 feet tall and 90 lbs, the
best way I can describe the scene when I arrived is that she looked
like a piece of laundry flapping in the wind with a grip on that
awning like a pit bull after a ...

Greg
Bob Hatch - 12 Aug 2005 00:56 GMT
>> Ray,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Only to find out this has all been a hoax?

No, not a joke. Serious business. If we don't prevail, there will be pay for
service RV parks and campgrounds in every state. Even in Canada, and Mexico.
This can't happen. We must stand united. Our cause is just and your efforts
are exceptional. You have exceeded every expectation of the alt.rv gang of
15. A medal is being designed for you, and you alone. It will be sent at a
future date when we have assured free parking world wide.

Keep up the good work. Don't let those who would discourage you win. You are
a hero of the free parking revolution. Your name will go down in history and
mothers world wide will name their children "unk". Stay proud.

(Do you feel better now?)

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Alan Robinson - 12 Aug 2005 05:31 GMT
> Keep up the good work. Don't let those who would discourage you win. You
> are a hero of the free parking revolution. Your name will go down in
> history and mothers world wide will name their children "unk". Stay proud.
>
> (Do you feel better now?)

Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day.

Give a man a Direcway internet connection, and he'll start his own fishing
show.

Alan
Bob Hatch - 12 Aug 2005 13:46 GMT
>> Keep up the good work. Don't let those who would discourage you win.
>> You are a hero of the free parking revolution. Your name will go
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Alan

Hey, I gotta do something in between working on the MH, sight seeing and
taking pictures, meeting people in the RV park, walking the dogs, sorting
pictures on the computer, an occasional dinner out at some interesting local
spot, reading a book, watching TV, taking a walk with Mary, taking naps,
and planning the next days route. Gosh, I've gotta brake up this boredom
somehow. :-)
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Hunter - 13 Aug 2005 00:58 GMT
> Gosh, I've gotta brake up this boredom
>somehow. :-)

"Brake up?"

Pun intended?

<g>

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Bob Hatch - 14 Aug 2005 18:34 GMT
>> Gosh, I've gotta brake up this boredom
>> somehow. :-)
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> <g>

No. I guess my mind was focused on the brakes and the $1042.00 check I had
to write.

Did I break you up? :-)
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Hunter - 14 Aug 2005 23:02 GMT
>Did I break you up? :-)

I'm in pieces.

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Bob Hatch - 14 Aug 2005 23:41 GMT
>> Did I break you up? :-)
>
> I'm in pieces.
>
> Hunter

Well, you need to pull yourself together. <g>

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Bob Hatch - 14 Aug 2005 23:51 GMT
>> Did I break you up? :-)
>
> I'm in pieces.
>
> Hunter

Whoa, Lubbock, TX?

Have you been out to the Ranch Heritage Center yet? If not, you gotta go
there.

Also, at the corner of I-27 and 50th Street, on the SE corner there is a
Tamale Factory. The have a retail outlet, 2 kinds of Tamales, mild and hot.
They are small, about 3" long, but are some of the best I've eaten. You can
buy hot and eat right there or in the truck on the way back to the trailer,
or buy several dozen :-), frozen. They microwave in a couple of minutes.

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Hunter - 15 Aug 2005 02:03 GMT
>Have you been out to the Ranch Heritage Center yet? If not, you gotta go
>there.>

Yep, been there. I spent 10 days here in Lubbock back in 2000 when I
creamed the trailer on the side of a tree. )c:

I plan to go back.

I got a nice surprise when I pulled into the RV park, some friends
were here so I immediately told them they had to go check the Heritage
Center out while in town.

I'll be here til Friday at the earliest.

>Also, at the corner of I-27 and 50th Street, on the SE corner there is a
>Tamale Factory. The have a retail outlet, 2 kinds of Tamales, mild and hot.
>They are small, about 3" long, but are some of the best I've eaten. You can
>buy hot and eat right there or in the truck on the way back to the trailer,
>or buy several dozen :-), frozen. They microwave in a couple of minutes.>

I don't think I like tamales. Are they made with corn flat thingies?

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Bob Hatch - 15 Aug 2005 02:13 GMT
> I don't think I like tamales. Are they made with corn flat thingies?

Never mind, you're vegetarian. I forgot that. They have beef or pork as a
filling. Made with corn meal, wrapped with corn husks.

Like I said, never mind. :-)

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Hunter - 15 Aug 2005 02:24 GMT
>Never mind, you're vegetarian. I forgot that. They have beef or pork as a
>filling. Made with corn meal, wrapped with corn husks.
>
>Like I said, never mind. :-)

Thanks anyway.

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OsiTech.Net - 15 Aug 2005 04:02 GMT
"Lubbock, TX"

So you are saying it is okay to visit here or if I do I will be shunned as a
blockade buster?
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> Whoa, Lubbock, TX?
Bob Hatch - 15 Aug 2005 13:14 GMT
> "Lubbock, TX"
>
> So you are saying it is okay to visit here or if I do I will be
> shunned as a blockade buster?

You may visit Texas, as long as you don't travel in New Mexico, Oklahoma,
Arkansas or Louisiana. :-)
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Greg Surratt - 15 Aug 2005 23:06 GMT
>> "Lubbock, TX"
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>You may visit Texas, as long as you don't travel in New Mexico, Oklahoma,
>Arkansas or Louisiana. :-)

Has anybody priced the ferry from Tampa to Mexico so I can get to
Brownsville???
Bob Hatch - 15 Aug 2005 23:32 GMT
>> You may visit Texas, as long as you don't travel in New Mexico,
>> Oklahoma, Arkansas or Louisiana. :-)
>
> Has anybody priced the ferry from Tampa to Mexico so I can get to
> Brownsville???

It is not our responsibility, or duty, to do your research and trip planning
for you. Our only obligation is to inform you of places you cannot travel,
without doing a massive dis-service to your fellow RV'ers. If you are not
dedicated to the concept of worldwide free parking, that is your choice.

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SteveB - 15 Aug 2005 23:44 GMT
>>> You may visit Texas, as long as you don't travel in New Mexico,
>>> Oklahoma, Arkansas or Louisiana. :-)
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> If you are not dedicated to the concept of worldwide free parking, that is
> your choice.

this is getting good .............
Chris Bryant - 15 Aug 2005 23:45 GMT
> It is not our responsibility, or duty, to do your research and trip
> planning for you. Our only obligation is to inform you of places you
> cannot travel, without doing a massive dis-service to your fellow RV'ers.
> If you are not dedicated to the concept of worldwide free parking, that is
> your choice.

Somehow, I get the feeling that your blood pressure has dropped 30 points
since you retired.
;)

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Bob Hatch - 16 Aug 2005 00:16 GMT
>> It is not our responsibility, or duty, to do your research and trip
>> planning for you. Our only obligation is to inform you of places you
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> points since you retired.
> ;)

If it did, I'd be close to dead. My normal, resting BP has been 112/65 give
or take most of my life. When I was in the hospital in LV with the heart
thing, my BP dropped to 7030 as a reaction to the nitro paste. Not a fun
feeling.

Now, do you have something to add about the WPR (Worldwide Parking
Revolution), or not? <g>
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Bob Hatch - 16 Aug 2005 00:18 GMT
>>> It is not our responsibility, or duty, to do your research and trip
>>> planning for you. Our only obligation is to inform you of places you
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> with the heart thing, my BP dropped to 7030 as a reaction to the
> nitro paste. Not a fun feeling.

Make that BP 70/30. For want of a "/" the meaning was lost.
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SteveB - 16 Aug 2005 06:23 GMT
> Make that BP 70/30. For want of a "/" the meaning was lost.

I was just gonna say, Holy Crap!  And they were bitching at me when mine was
190?  7030 is Waaaaaay high.

Steve ;-)
Chris Bryant - 16 Aug 2005 01:32 GMT
> Now, do you have something to add about the WPR (Worldwide Parking
> Revolution), or not? <g>

I'm against it..... No, I'm for it..... hang on, I've got to check the
poles.

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Bob Hatch - 16 Aug 2005 01:39 GMT
>> Now, do you have something to add about the WPR (Worldwide Parking
>> Revolution), or not? <g>
>
> I'm against it..... No, I'm for it..... hang on, I've got to check the
> poles.

Why, do they not have free parking in Poland?
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Chris Cowles - 16 Aug 2005 02:33 GMT
Sorry. I replied to Chris before I saw you beat me to the joke.

> Why, do they not have free parking in Poland?
SteveB - 16 Aug 2005 06:26 GMT
> Sorry. I replied to Chris before I saw you beat me to the joke.
>
>> Why, do they not have free parking in Poland?

Do they have WalMarts in Poland?

I see an intercontinental movement coming up here.
Steve
OsiTech.Net - 16 Aug 2005 06:50 GMT
" I see an intercontinental movement coming up here."

There are no WalFarts in Nigeria. Never. (Think Baghdad Bob here).

There are no CGs either. Come to think of it there are no RVs either.

Excuse me while I go write my Congressperson, we can't have this. We must
give Nigeria some Walfart, CGs and Rvs. I will die a happing Man if I can
shun Nigerian CG owners and camp at Nigeria Walfarts.

However we do have good tow trucks ready to go though:
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>> Sorry. I replied to Chris before I saw you beat me to the joke.
>>
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> I see an intercontinental movement coming up here.
> Steve
Greg Surratt - 17 Aug 2005 00:22 GMT
>>> Now, do you have something to add about the WPR (Worldwide Parking
>>> Revolution), or not? <g>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Why, do they not have free parking in Poland?

Has anybody priced the ferry from New York to Germany so can park for
free in Poland???      ;-)

And don't give me any crap about how it would be cheaper to rent a rig
in Europe!  I MUST take my American-made Bulgemobile, even if it won't
fit on most of the scenic routes in Europe.  Remember, it's not the
journey, it's the dest...  errr, Have I got that backwards again?

Greg
Chris Cowles - 16 Aug 2005 02:32 GMT
What do the Poles have to do with it? Isn't there free parking in Poland?

> I'm against it..... No, I'm for it..... hang on, I've got to check the
> poles.
Jim Redelfs - 16 Aug 2005 03:47 GMT
> I'm against it..... No, I'm for it.....

Sheesh!  You could run for President!

> hang on, I've got to check the poles.

North or South?
                      :)
JR
SteveB - 16 Aug 2005 06:25 GMT
> I'm against it..... No, I'm for it..... hang on, I've got to check the
> poles.

Don't include us Poles with youse guys.  We don't know nothing.  That's our
story, and we're sticking to it!

Steve, who has a cz at the end of his last name...........
OsiTech.Net - 16 Aug 2005 05:31 GMT
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>>> planning for you. Our only obligation is to inform you of places you
>>> cannot travel, without doing a massive dis-service to your fellow
>>> RV'ers. If you are not dedicated to the concept of worldwide free
>>> parking, that is your choice.
HD in NY - 16 Aug 2005 01:33 GMT
>>It is not our responsibility, or duty, to do your research and trip
>>planning for you. Our only obligation is to inform you of places you
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> since you retired.
> ;)

He is pretty laid back <vbg>.
HD in NY
BD - 10 Aug 2005 03:27 GMT
> 'We drove down the main road and stopped at the local Wal-Mart to buy a
> couple of items and the was a sign posted at the lot that said. "NO
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> radius of the perpetrator !  RELAX !  Take a hot bath. Enjoy life...dont
> take things so darn hard !

That'd be a WHOOSH!

BD
Mark Tetrault - 10 Aug 2005 11:31 GMT
>> This is unacceptable. Stop this practice before it gets out of hand.
>> Don't spend any money in Massachusetts. Don't go to Massachusetts. Don't
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>BD

Well, for all you boycotters out there, yesterday was our 36th
anniversary. So I asked my wife if she would like to go out to dinner.

There is a wonderful restaurant just a few miles down the road with an
internationally acclaimed chef in charge that we love. However she
decided she would like a fresh crab dinner.

So I went to the local warf, one mile from my place here in Point
Cross, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia and bought 5 fesh live and kicking crabs
from one of the boat captains. Now that's 5 crabs, at 10 legs per crab,
lemme see 50 legs plus core meat.

Cost? What is that worth in the states that are not boycotted? Well
yesterday here in Boycotted Nova Scotia it cost me $10 Cdn, that's
approx $8 US dollars. Oh that was for all 5 crabs, not per pound!

So keep on boycotting Nova Scotia you don't know what yer missing, and
it leaves more for me.

Oh and the crab was absolutely delicious.

Mark
Bob Hatch - 11 Aug 2005 03:47 GMT
> REPLY: Isnt this a little drastic !?   So what if the local Walmart
> doesnt want overnighters ;  just go down to K Mart or Venture or
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> yard radius of the perpetrator !  RELAX !  Take a hot bath. Enjoy
> life...dont take things so darn hard !

No. So. Why, I got what I needed at Wal-Mart. Why? Don't own one. Should I?
I am. Don't like em. I don't.

Whooosh.
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Greg Surratt - 11 Aug 2005 10:14 GMT
NEWSFLASH:  I saw on one of my newsfeeds where the city of Benson,
Arizona is contemplating installing a Wal-Mart camping store at the
corner of Prickly Pear and Fourth.

When I mentioned to my father that I would now have a place to stay
when I come to visit, he replied that the town has an ordnance that
prohibits "parking in business parking lots" (his words, not mine).

I propose we extend the ban on travel to Massachusetts to include all
travel to Arizona.  And perhaps we need to take a close look at all
places in between the two?

Greg
Mark Tetrault - 11 Aug 2005 11:30 GMT
>NEWSFLASH:  I saw on one of my newsfeeds where the city of Benson,
>Arizona is contemplating installing a Wal-Mart camping store at the
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>
>Greg

Good God, I summer in Nova Scotia, and winter in Benson, AZ. What am I
gonna do now??????????????????????????????
ninebal310@aol.com - 11 Aug 2005 11:39 GMT
> I propose we extend the ban on travel to Massachusetts to include all
> travel to Arizona.  And perhaps we need to take a close look at all
> places in between the two?
>
> Greg

I think we're going about this all wrong. We should form a protest
"camp-in" (as compared to a sit-in of the 60's).

Here's the plan: All of us show up at a Walmart and set up camp by
circling the wagons. We remove our wheels so that the police can't tow
them away. The women remove their bras, and burn them. Also, we chain
ourselves to each other.

This will work.....right? huh? huh? huh?

Hank <~~~likes the "bra burning" part alot!
OsiTech.Net - 11 Aug 2005 16:49 GMT
"The women remove their bras, and burn them"

I'm in, I think - lol.

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> Hank <~~~likes the "bra burning" part alot!
SteveB - 11 Aug 2005 18:21 GMT
> NEWSFLASH:  I saw on one of my newsfeeds where the city of Benson,
> Arizona is contemplating installing a Wal-Mart camping store at the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Greg

HOLY BEEJEEZUS!  Next thing you know, they will want to start charging at
the Apache Junction Desert Golf Course!

For those who don't know, it is a walk on golf course made up of creosote
bushes, cholla cactus, native gravel and sand, and a few derelict pieces of
AstroTurf for greens.  It is not a challenging course, and there are no
water hazards.  Occasionally, a rodent will steal a ball, but you get a free
drop, no loss of stroke.  You walk in off the highway.  There is a minimart
across the street for Gatorade and adult beverages.  One of the premier golf
courses for the WalMart parking crowd.  They are probably planning a pro-am
tourney as we speak.

Steve

PS - Bring your old clubs.
RVer Don - 12 Aug 2005 06:20 GMT
> I propose we extend the ban on travel to Massachusetts to include all
> travel to Arizona.  And perhaps we need to take a close look at all
> places in between the two?
>
> Greg

That would certainly solve the problem of no overnight parking in Wallymarts
wouldn't it.

Don in Tracy, Calif.
OsiTech.Net - 12 Aug 2005 07:40 GMT
As long as it doesn't include Cucamonga - lol.

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