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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / September 2005

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Adding  a inverter/charger  to my motorhome

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sanman - 13 Sep 2005 23:06 GMT
Hi,
I want to add a large inverter/charger3, about 2000 watts, to my 1996
Holiday Rambler endeavor. Is this something I can do myself? I think I can
just switch out the charger and the add AC ouput to the switch box but I'm
not sure? I have 2 coach batteries and room to add 2 more. Anybody who has
done something like this or has any advise I would appreciate it. All I want
to run is the TV's and the VCR/DVD without running the generator.

Thanks
RichA - 14 Sep 2005 05:01 GMT
> Hi,
>I want to add a large inverter/charger3, about 2000 watts, to my 1996
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>
>Thanks

Hi,
Adding just an inverter isn't that hard a job.  Changing the wiring by
adding an inverter/charger to replace a converter can be more difficult
and more expensive.

You can get a 1000W inverter pretty cheap a really good one under $150.
You are going to pay lots more for a good 2000W inverter/charger.   If
you are not familiar with RV wiring DC and AC then you might want to
have it done or at least learn what's different between house and RV
wiring so you don't have a shocking experience.

If you just want to use the batteries to run small items like the
TV/VCR then you might just as well add an inverter and keep the
converter you now have for charging the batteries as long as it's
working ok. Two 6 volt golf cart batteries should supply enough power to
run those items for a few nights.

Just to run the TV and VCR/DVD player a 1000W inverter would be more
then enough. The inverter should be as close to the battery bank as
possible to eliminate DC voltage drop.  This makes for shorter runs of
cable from the batteries to the inverter allowing you to use smaller
cable while keeping voltage drop to a minimum.   So the closer the
inverter is to the batteries the better.  You can then run the 120V line
to the TV/VCR/DVD.  There probably already is a 120 volt line going to
these items.  That line probably now goes to a circuit breaker in the
120V panel.  You could find that line and tie the new line into it if
you know what you are doing.  Remember you need fuses or circuit
breakers to protect the DC side of the inverter and a circuit breaker or
fuse to protect the 120V line.  You should also put an on/off switch
somewhere to turn the inverter on and off.

You need to get the right size cable for the DC side of the inverter
along with a fuse or circuit breaker.  You also need to get wire for the
120V side along with a fuse or circuit breaker.  If you can re-use some
of wires, circuit breakers etc.  that you already have only you will
know.

If you do decide to go with the inverter/charger replacing the
converter,  then the above will only be marginally useful as you will
probably have to change some 12V and 120V wiring around.  Probably have
to run some new wiring too.  How hard or complicated it becomes depends
upon how much room you have and how easy everything is to access.

Like I said if you don't know what you are doing or not sure please get
someone who does to do the job or work on it with you.  Making mistakes
with electricity is not a good thing...

Hope this helps some.  Take care and Happy Campin...
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RichA
"We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"

Stan Birch - 14 Sep 2005 13:21 GMT
>All I want to run is the TV's and the VCR/DVD without running the generator.

A 250 watt inverter is more than adequate.
Joe Bedford - 16 Sep 2005 15:00 GMT
"RichA" <richatpa*nospam*@epix.net> wrote in message

> You can get a 1000W inverter pretty cheap a really good one under $150.
> You are going to pay lots more for a good 2000W inverter/charger.

I run my small bedroom TV and sat RX off a 400W inverter and am planning on
adding an inverter in the living room for the big TV and VCR/DVD combo.
Problem I have is that I get lines on the TV when running on the inverter
that I don't have when running mains power. There's some noise getting in
somewhere.

How do I isolate and correct this problem: It could be:

- noise from the inverter itself
- noise on the DC lines
- noise on the AC line
- some combination

Thanks, Joe
tat-2 - 16 Sep 2005 15:42 GMT
The interference is propbably from your inverter. It is a modified sign wave
inverter. The expensive inverters are true sign wave inverters.
Also, any florecent lights?
A good way to pin point is to take a portable battery operated radio and set
it on AM, tune in between stations and listen for  "Hum" as it get louder
that will be the cause of your noise.

Ed

> "RichA" <richatpa*nospam*@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks, Joe
Dapper Dave - 16 Sep 2005 16:25 GMT
>"Joe Bedford" <joebedford@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"RichA" <richatpa*nospam*@epix.net> wrote in message
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>Thanks, Joe

I had the same problem using a small cheap inverter that I had purchased
at WalMart. I returned it and bought another small cheap inverter at
Walmart, which did not introduce lines on the TV.

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DD

Joe Bedford - 16 Sep 2005 16:43 GMT
> >"Joe Bedford" <joebedford@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> at WalMart. I returned it and bought another small cheap inverter at
> Walmart, which did not introduce lines on the TV.

Was there any indication on the packaging that the second unit was better
for electronics?

Seems that the modified sine wave inverters run about $1 per 10W and the
true sine inverters are about $10 per 10W!

Maybe there's a filter or something I can put on the AC side (because I'm
cheap)

Cheers, Joe
Peter Pan - 16 Sep 2005 20:57 GMT
>>> "Joe Bedford" <joebedford@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Cheers, Joe

Since you are cheap (you admitted it above), why not get the cheap one at
walmart, and if it causes problems, take it back for another type, until you
get one that works for you?

PS Filters for AC are rather expensive, and very hard to figger which one
you need (you may have to try a few until you find one that works in your
situation)...
Dapper Dave - 18 Sep 2005 15:16 GMT
>"Joe Bedford" <joebedford@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Dapper Dave" <expurgated@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>> I had the same problem using a small cheap inverter that I had purchased
>> at WalMart. I returned it and bought another small cheap inverter at
>> Walmart, which did not introduce lines on the TV.
>>
>Was there any indication on the packaging that the second unit was better
>for electronics?

Dunno. I doubt it.

>Seems that the modified sine wave inverters run about $1 per 10W and the
>true sine inverters are about $10 per 10W!

I'm sure that every inverter I have ever purchased has been modified
sine wave. You don't need a true sine wave inverter to run anything in
an RV. We run everything we own using the modified sine wave inverter
that came with our motor home.

The only advantage I can see to a true sine wave inverter would be in
running the microwave.  While it works with our modified sine wave
inverter, it only produces about half the heating power when running off
the inverter. On the other hand, it draws about 175 amps (DC), so using
the batteries to run it is not something you would want to do very often
or for very long.

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DD

Joe Bedford - 18 Sep 2005 21:15 GMT
> >"Joe Bedford" <joebedford@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> the batteries to run it is not something you would want to do very often
> or for very long.

We only use the microwave to heat up coffee so it doesn't run very long.

The only issue for us is the lines on the tv.

joe
Dapper Dave - 18 Sep 2005 23:16 GMT
>"Joe Bedford" <joebedford@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> >"Joe Bedford" <joebedford@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>joe

In that case, try another cheap inverter. Worked for me.

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DD

Will Sill - 14 Sep 2005 12:15 GMT
I see where "sanman" <gsanter@msn.com> contributed:

>I want to add a large inverter/charger3, about 2000 watts, to my 1996
>Holiday Rambler endeavor.

See Rich A's post.   2k watts is serious overkill for what you want to
do.   I think if you go to the Xantrex site you can download the
manuals for their products.  You can then decide whether you can do
the job yourself.

Will Sill
"A great many people think they are thinking when they
are merely rearranging their prejudices."
William James
dmartin@newarts.com - 14 Sep 2005 13:25 GMT
Large inverters typically waste more current than small converters (but
not always). So the use of a small inverter is usually preferable
because it won't run your battery down fast just by being turned on.

The current draw will be in the specifications. Get the smallest
current draw you can afford.

On the other hand, having a big inverter gives you the opportunity to
expand your use in the future; I use a toaster and microwave in
addition to the lower draw electronics.

Dave

PS look at the specs. It is easy to buy a small inverter that'll run
your battery down faster than a bigger inverter if you aren't careful.
 
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