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Merri - 18 Sep 2005 03:22 GMT
Help. Help. Help.

I just picked up my 1996 Holiday Rambler Endeavor motorhome and found I have
mice. I could not see any damage yet so I set many traps and put out Dcon.
I'm sure I can get rid of them now, but how do I prevent them from coming
back? I store my RV in a field adn in the winter in a pole barn. Please
help.

Thanks
Greg Santer
Hunter - 18 Sep 2005 04:29 GMT
>I just picked up my 1996 Holiday Rambler Endeavor motorhome and found I have
>mice. I could not see any damage yet so I set many traps and put out Dcon.
>I'm sure I can get rid of them now, but how do I prevent them from coming
>back? I store my RV in a field adn in the winter in a pole barn. Please
>help.>

Hi Greg,

You do realize that the mice will eat the Decon and then possibly dogs
or raptors will eat the mouse.  

You could end up killing alot more than mice.

As for keeping them out, you need to stuff all ways of getting in with
something like steel wool.

Hunter

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Chris - 18 Sep 2005 04:51 GMT
> Help. Help. Help.
>
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> Thanks
> Greg Santer

Put out lots of Dcon!  Thats great stuff!  Expandable foam in all holes
cut out for pipes etc. will help keep them out.  You can get the foam at
a hardware/home improvement store.  Keep grass cut low under and around
the RV.

Good Luck!

Chris
NotMe - 18 Sep 2005 14:40 GMT
| > Help. Help. Help.
| >
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| > back? I store my RV in a field adn in the winter in a pole barn. Please
| > help.

Expandable foam in all holes
| cut out for pipes etc. will help keep them out.  You can get the foam at
| a hardware/home improvement store.  Keep grass cut low under and around
| the RV.

Stuff the holes with steel wool before applying the expandable foam as the
little buggers chew right through the foam alone.
Chris - 18 Sep 2005 21:46 GMT
> | > Help. Help. Help.
> | >
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> Stuff the holes with steel wool before applying the expandable foam as the
> little buggers chew right through the foam alone.

Sounds like a good idea.  Never had them chew threw mine, but they are
some chewing little buggers.  They could do it.  I think most of mine
went to Dcon hell.
Ken Harrison - 18 Sep 2005 05:42 GMT
> Help. Help. Help.
>
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> back? I store my RV in a field adn in the winter in a pole barn. Please
> help.

You need to find all means of access and plug them somehow.  There is an
expandable foam in a spray can (available at auto parts stores) that is
useful BUT be certain that you know where it is going.  It is invidious
and if you don't have a means of preventing its getting into the coach
or other area where you don't want it, it will get away from you.

I have heard that steel wool will work well, but it might take quite a
lot of it.  On the other hand, the expandable foam is also not inexpensive.

Lastly, please do not use pesticides, particularly since you store it in
a field and in a barn.  Poisoned mice may end up in the food chain, via
consumption by scavengers and other animals progressively on up the food
chain.  In any event, it will cause a painful death to any creature that
comes in contact with it, and there are humane ways of dealing with this
problem.

Ken H
Hunter - 18 Sep 2005 05:56 GMT
>Lastly, please do not use pesticides, particularly since you store it in
>a field and in a barn.  Poisoned mice may end up in the food chain, via
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>
>Ken H>

Good answer Ken.

Hunter

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KM - 20 Sep 2005 16:24 GMT
I know it sounds like an old "wives" tale but...my brother and I have
stored our vehicles inside and outside (depending on storage
availability) and have used moth balls in little plastic butter dishes
scattered throughout the rv. It takes a day or two to air the unit to
air out each spring, but we have never had a rodent problem. It might
be that we have just been lucky. I of course recommend plugging any
and all obvious holes or voids.

Prevention is you best defense.

Kyle

>> Help. Help. Help.
>>
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>
>Ken H
MoM - 20 Sep 2005 20:32 GMT
>I know it sounds like an old "wives" tale but...my brother and I have
> stored our vehicles inside and outside (depending on storage
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>>
>>Ken H

My husband was told that WD40 is a good mouse preventative.  We had to
replace the carbuerator on the generator due to mouse
damage.  But, I don't know if the WD40 would damage the wires.

MoM
SteveB - 18 Sep 2005 07:33 GMT
> Help. Help. Help.
>
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> Thanks
> Greg Santer

Plug holes (next to impossible), and put out glue traps.  Trying to stop
them in the fields around the trailer is like trying to stop dust.  You
could put out poison, but you would kill more than mice.  You could get a
lot of cats, but if you don't have every one fixed, you will be up to your
umbilicus in cats before very long.

Steve
Jim Redelfs - 21 Sep 2005 04:56 GMT
> put out glue traps.

That keeps poison out of a potential food chain.  However, it is no more
"humane" than Decon.  It just takes the pest a lot longer to die of thirst -
or boredom.

> You could get a lot of cats, but if you don't have every one fixed,
> you will be up to your umbilicus in cats before very long.

I agree.  Always spay or neuter your pet, including the mother and father of
the omnipresent litter of "barn kitties" - mangy, malnourished and with weepy,
infected eyes.

Decon always gets its man -er- mouse.  Of course, the little bastards always
crawl up and into an inaccessible nook somewhere to die - and STINK for too
many days.

As for the effect on the environment and ecology by the carcass of a Deconned
field mouse (or three)...  I am mostly unconcerned.  I'm sure it would take a
lot of research (federally funded, of course) involving the body weight of the
dead mouse, the body weight of the likely scavenger carnivore (if any),
percent poison saturation of the mouse carcass, yadda yadda.  My guess is that
the average coyote, already weakened by starvation that causes him to eat a
DEAD mouse, will soon die anyway.  I'm not sure why a HEALTHY coyote would eat
a DEAD mouse when there are plenty of LIVE ones that taste a LOT better and
are a LOT more fun to catch!  That coyote would probably have to eat many more
than just ONE Deconned mouse to suffer much more than a stomach ache and/or
excessive thirst for a day or so.  Then there's the raptors - also choosing a
dead mouse over a live one.  Wait!  I forgot!  The DYING, Deconned mouse as
prey.  Now there's a whole NEW set of variables - and publicly-funded research.

          :)
JR
Chris Cowles - 21 Sep 2005 05:46 GMT
> As for the effect on the environment and ecology by the carcass of a
> Deconned
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> prey.  Now there's a whole NEW set of variables - and publicly-funded
> research.

If you dislike wasting public money, why ignore the results of peer-reviewed
studies that have been paid for with public funds?

http://www.beyondpesticides.org/watchdog/comments/rodenticides%201_05.pdf
Jim Redelfs - 21 Sep 2005 13:50 GMT
> If you dislike wasting public money, why ignore the results of
> peer-reviewed studies that have been paid for with public funds?

I do not ignore them.  I consider their information and results with what I
consider a HEALTHY level of skepticism.

As for "peer" review, I am no longer very impressed.  Much of my "healthy
level" of skepticism is caused in no small part to the social and political
direction that MOST entities that understake such studies have generally moved.

> http://www.beyondpesticides.org/watchdog/comments/rodenticides%201_05.pdf 

I am not, however, a mind-numbed robot.  I actually downloaded your citation.  
With it on my desktop it is likely I'll read it, especially considering that
you went to the time and effort to find it.  Thanks.  (I'm off to work.)

              :)
JR
Chris Cowles - 21 Sep 2005 22:29 GMT
> I am not, however, a mind-numbed robot.  I actually downloaded your
> citation.
> With it on my desktop it is likely I'll read it, especially considering
> that
> you went to the time and effort to find it.  Thanks.  (I'm off to work.)

You may view the source with skepticism, considering their goal in their
argument. But the citations in the article are probably less biased, albeit
they may have been cited selectively.
Hunter - 21 Sep 2005 15:32 GMT
>As for the effect on the environment and ecology by the carcass of a Deconned
>field mouse (or three)...  I am mostly unconcerned.

So, when one of the dogs at the farm started hemorrhaging through her
nose, after eating a poisoned mousie, I shouldn't have taken her to
the vet who saved her life?

You stay in your unconcerned world Jim, the rest of us will scramble.
What you're missing is there's lag time between dinner and death when
eagles, owls, hawks and other critters will still find mousie quite
appetizing.

Hunter
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Jim Redelfs - 22 Sep 2005 04:43 GMT
I believe you tend to misunderstand some basic things about us from <ahem>
[drum roll] "The Right<tm>".  At the very least, you can rest assured that we
care* about clean air and water, among other things.  For this rather sappy
dog lover, the safety of my beloved pet is high on my list, too.

>> As for the effect on the environment and ecology by the carcass
>> of a Deconned field mouse (or three)...  I am mostly unconcerned.

> So, when one of the dogs at the farm started hemorrhaging through her
> nose, after eating a poisoned mousie, I shouldn't have taken her to
> the vet who saved her life?

Given the original context of the topic of poisoning mice that venture into a
field-stored RV, your reaction is extreme.

If my dog began to die like yours, you can bet your bippie I'd have her to the
vet in a heartbeat.

But placing Decon in a stored RV against the possibility of mouse infestation
is REASONABLE, even when alternative but equally effective means of rodent
control are available.

That a dog was "allowed" to find such forage, much less EAT it, is another
debate that makes the one about mouse poison sound light weight.

> You stay in your unconcerned world Jim

Hunter, you really don't even KNOW me.  I know that YOU are into horses and
Airstream trailers (waaaay cool).  I am a nice, likeable guy with a camper
next to the two-car-garage split-entry home in a cliche suburb.  I don't fill
landfills by mowing my lawn and BAGGING the clippings.  I leave a campsite
CLEANER than I found it and believe in Leave No Trace.

I am as concerned as any "normal" 52-year-old white guy, married >32-years to
his high school sweetheart and a guy that loves his daughters, grandkids
camping and photography.  I am MORE concerned now about "things" than I have
EVER been.  To your certain puzzlement, they are DIFFERENT things than you (et
al).

My philosophy is simple:  Enough is enough.  We have enough laws, enough
restrictions, enough rules that we really don't need many more, if ANY.  The
job of "Lawmaker" should NEVER have become a FULLTIME job ANYWHERE.

If I can buy Decon right in the same place where I buy my food, and I read the
"Directions For Use" and the ever-popular "It is unlawful to use this product
in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.", it's OK for my purposes.

Do you ever read those STUPID warnings?  It was bleeding hearts, hand-wringers
and lawyers that came up with these warnings designed to save us from
ourselves..  The irony is that, given Decon, those of us that can actually
READ and comprehend (not to mention type from memory) such a warning statement
DON'T NEED it as we are already educated, civilized and SMART enough to know
you don't use Decon as bacon bits on your SALAD!  ...and you don't let your
dog eat mice.  Of the folks that could BENEFIT from such a warning, few will
attempt to read it.  Of those few, even fewer will comprehend its meaning.

If you drive the perimeter of any large store (Wal*Mart, Kroeger, etc) you'll
see "bait boxes" placed a few dozen feet apart along the building where the
walls meet the pavement.  Poisoning pests has evolved along with all of our
other EVIL technologies.  Unless misused and the substance is accidentally
injested, it is safe and effective.  (Yes, I trust the government when it
tells me such things.  What's REALLY weird is that that stuff [warnings, etc]
were mandated primarily by liberal Democrats.  But, to you fine folks, it's
not enough.  It's NEVER enough.

My philosophy calls for "common sense" and "personal responsibility" which,
for the purpose of this topic, requires that the Decon user follow label
directions and the dog owner makes every effort to ensure their dog doesn't
eat a Deconned mouse.  And, in the unlikely event the dog DOES eat a Deconned
mousie, the owner should be ashamed to have let it happen and sufficiently
chastised simply by having to make the vet's next boat payment.

> What you're missing is there's lag time between dinner and
> death when eagles, owls, hawks and other critters will still
> find mousie quite appetizing.

I am missing nothing - and here is where "cold and heartless Conservative
Republican Christian White Man" applies:  Overlooking the likelihood that NO
"endangered" species (listed) is additionally burdened by our "proper" use of
Decon, I am unconcerned about the DEGREE to which other species may run afoul
of the poison - if at all.  (Translation:  Decon is safe and effective and I
am concerned about more important things and don't wish to expend any
"concern" for the impact, if any, that properly used Decon may have on a
"normal" environment.)

          :)
JR

*(Please don't ask.  You presumably come from the "side" of the
social/political spectrum that holds in high regard the statement "That
depends on what the definition of "is" is.".  As such, you are not entitled to
an explanation beyond that which Webster tells you "care" means.)
Will Sill - 22 Sep 2005 12:28 GMT
I see where Jim Redelfs <jim.redelfs@redelfs.com> contributed
a pretty good essay on the difference between intelligent use of Decon
and being a nut case liberal wacko animal "rights" dingbat.

Good on you, but I caution that you should not expect Hunter to
understand.

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Hunter - 22 Sep 2005 18:48 GMT
>Given the original context of the topic of poisoning mice that venture into a
>field-stored RV, your reaction is extreme.

Given the original context of the topic of poisoning mice that venture
into a field-stored RV, your solution is cavalier.

A staggering mouse is easy prey for many critters on the ground and in
the air.

Hunter
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Jim Redelfs - 23 Sep 2005 04:52 GMT
> Given the original context of the topic of poisoning mice that venture
> into a field-stored RV, your solution is cavalier.

In this case you are right.

> A staggering mouse is easy prey for many critters on the
> ground and in the air.

It's true!

          :)
JR
Trekking Tom - 18 Sep 2005 14:15 GMT
>Help. Help. Help.
>
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>Thanks
>Greg Santer

Do what you can to get rid of those critters you have. Use brass wool
instead of steel which will rust and go away. Expanding foam is a good
alternative also. Bounce dryer sheets help a lot in keeping the
critters out and makes the unit smell better too. Put sheets in each
storage bin, under drawers etc.
Keeping the vegetation down limits the critters travel and being
especially vigilant in your anti critter efforts in fall when it gets
cooler will keep them from finding a winter home in your rv.  

Tom
Jess Vanderveen - 18 Sep 2005 22:49 GMT
>>Help. Help. Help.
>>
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>>Thanks
>>Greg Santer

>I heard that you can place mothballs around the tires to keep out the mice, mouses, meeses, mices.
JV
Wade eh - 20 Sep 2005 16:29 GMT
>>>Help. Help. Help.
>>>
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>>mice, mouses, meeses, mices.
> JV

I also heard that Voodoo rites, will banish them to later return as
vegetables!
Wade
Chris - 21 Sep 2005 03:59 GMT
> >>>Help. Help. Help.
> >>>
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> vegetables!
> Wade

This could be the best plan of all!
Herb Hannam - 19 Sep 2005 02:41 GMT
A very common place for mice to get in is the fresh air intake at the
front of the vehicle. When the fresh air is off,and the vehicle is
parked the vacuum solenoid keeps the fresh air intake closed.
Unfortunately after a period of time the vacuum is lost and the air
intake door opens. When I park my motorhome for along time I duct tape
Aluminum strips over the air intake opennings.

hhannam@att.net

> Help. Help. Help.
>
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> Thanks
> Greg Santer
Tightwad - 20 Sep 2005 02:27 GMT
> Help. Help. Help.
>
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> Thanks
> Greg Santer

The possible best solution would a couple of barn cats.
Mice will, if they can't find an existing hole, make a new one in your RV.
Summer is probably not a problem for you because there is probably at
least one snake around the barn if it has been there for a while.
If you live in a  area with warm winters put a rat snake in the barn.
They don't hurt a thing and will get down right sociable if you are
around much. Just don't pick one up it will let out a stink.
 
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